Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70664 Apr 1, 2014
TANTRA, in its conceptualization and meditative practices, leads, via the trance state, to the plane of the Shiva Consciousness. The mystic during trance merges in consciousness with the impersonal Shiva Consciousness-Force and becomes one with it and as result of the nondual union with the Shiva cries out, "Soham" - "I am the Shiva". The plane of the Shiva Consciousness-Force is not a very high plane of cosmic consciousness.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70665 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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I've heard many times that faith is "a gift." "The gift of faith" and so on.
I feel so ripped off! I never got mine..
:))
April Fools!
Thats interesting.

Because that is not how most Jews would approach it. We are trained to struggle, to wrestle, to question, to argue, and in the case of pure faith - view it as an action (and not a belief) and therefore as a practice in its own right.

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#70666 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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Disagree. Simply an absence of belief.
Don't you think that the absence of belief may be due to more than one reason?
former res wrote:
<quoted text>More like many ways to become a believer.
I can apply your logic here, to which I disagree with it. It's one way. Simply put it, faith.

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#70667 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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I've heard many times that faith is "a gift." "The gift of faith" and so on.
I feel so ripped off! I never got mine..
:))
April Fools!
Some notable quotes on faith:

"Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions." -- Frater Ravus

"'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God,'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'" -- Douglas Adams

"Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence." -- Anonymous

"The Way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason." -- Benjamin Franklin

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." -- Richard Dawkins

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70668 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL wrote:
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I haven't found a trace of nondualism - complete union via trance of the object with the subject - in Hasidism and Devekut.
If the practice found in Hasidism and Devekut culminates in the experience of nondualism, then the experiencer (sage) should become one with G-d in that state of the deepest trance.
Does Hasidism and Devekut say that the nondual experience results in perfect union in consciousness with HaShem after which the sage can stand up and declare, "I am HaShem"? No!
To declare, "I am HaShem" is a blasphemy in any variant of Judaism.
So, Judaism, in any of its variants, is stuck on the lowly level of dualism.
LOL.
If you go deeper in to the literature, the answer would be yes.- one could become one with God

there is a famous debate about this - about whether deveket is union or just attachment

I dont know if you could get that off of google, you would have to get access to actual texts

the point is you are wrong

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70669 Apr 1, 2014
The negative side of tantra is very dangerous and can maim, turn insane, blind, paralyze, mind control or kill a person on whom it is practiced. There exist certain practitioners of the negative aspect of tantra who dabble with these dangerous powers much to the misfortune of the many innocent persons on whom they direct their occult energies. Intel agencies like the CIA make certain use of the techniques deriving from the adverse aspect of the tantra to create mind-control slaves of the MK-Ultra kind. Fritz Springmeir, Henry Makow, Phil Schneider, Aleister Crowley and others have revealed many of the details. Intel agencies also employ experts in remote viewing.

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#70670 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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Who says we're talking about Christians? Many Jews believe in god too.(Note I'm not saying how many...)
So you won't answer my pink elephant question without changing it to her acting abnormal.....moving right along.....
So it's ok if god talks to your future nanny but not if he gives her advice or guidance?
Though I would think many people (of those who pray) pray for strength/guidance etc...
If she see god on her toast, that's evidently ok too. Ok.
My questions had to do more with mental health/stability than with the theology itself.
Just don't ask where we're going with this....not sure.
There is a difference between seeing God in everything, and having God talk to you. One is less theistic than the other. I admit you might not have caught the distinction since you are not familiar with the nuances of Hasidic vs normative Jewish theology. In my circles, the former is still within the realm of normal.

But bottom line, I would expect a nanny to be able to perform her day to day nanny duties without having to consult with God. I would define that as normal. What she(he) does during formal worship is not my business.

I think there are 2 issues here. What I think of as normal. And whether what I may feel is normal still may appear as within the realm of pink elephant to you.

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#70671 Apr 1, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Some notable quotes on faith:
"Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions." -- Frater Ravus
"'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God,'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'" -- Douglas Adams
"Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence." -- Anonymous
"The Way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason." -- Benjamin Franklin
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." -- Richard Dawkins
The problem with that perspective is that is ASSUMES that the only use of faith is to obstruct reason. I disagree.

It can be used to obstruct reason, of course. But it also has a role in removing a cognitive block to immediate experience. Thats the part that you and I keep arguing about, but the point is that one does not always need to be a linear trajectory of thought forms at all times. Certainly not when one is experiencing art. Or worship. etc etc

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70672 Apr 1, 2014
I have an invitation to travel with a group of friends to meet the DALAI LAMA in Dharamshala in Mcleodganj in Himachal Pradesh. The place is teeming with Tibetans, Europeans, Israelis, Indians and Chinese intel chaps. I am not going as the Dalai Lama has a dark character that's hidden behind his smiling face. He's some sort of an occultist of the negative school of Tantra. Besides, these days, the spontaneous yogic experiences have recommenced in quite a big way and so it would not be advisable for me to go on the trip.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70673 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
CONCLUSION:
Neither Hasidism nor Devekut has anything to do with nondualism. In nondualism, the human being can stand up and declare, "I am G-d" on experiencing the nondual consciousness in which the divide between the subject and the object breaks down. Hasidism and Devekut are ignorant strains of dualism which is an irrational doctrine that seeks to separate cause from its own effects and gives rise to creationist beliefs and tribalism. LOL.
You know, just because you state something 5 times doesnt make it correct. Ask Hughbe.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70674 Apr 1, 2014
I will not be flying down to AUROVILLE in Peninsular India to meet Aviram Rozin and others there because the current crop of spontaneous yogic experiences are too deep and too novel thus making me stay put at home. In this indrawn condition when wave upon wave of the higher consciousness-force keeps descending into my body from above the head giving me some of the most unique yogic experiences that I have ever experienced till date, it would be dangerous to venture out of home. For the past few hours, the dynamic descent of the higher consciousness-force has ceased. Let me see when it resumes.

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#70675 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
I have an invitation to travel with a group of friends to meet the DALAI LAMA in Dharamshala in Mcleodganj in Himachal Pradesh. The place is teeming with Tibetans, Europeans, Israelis, Indians and Chinese intel chaps. I am not going as the Dalai Lama has a dark character that's hidden behind his smiling face. He's some sort of an occultist of the negative school of Tantra. Besides, these days, the spontaneous yogic experiences have recommenced in quite a big way and so it would not be advisable for me to go on the trip.
You must be the only (non Chinese) person alive who thinks the Dali Lama is evil

Who needs Rorsach?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70676 Apr 1, 2014
Infinity - Infinity = Infinity.

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#70677 Apr 1, 2014
former res wrote:
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When I say atheist, I mean agnostic-atheist (or simply agnostic)- one who admits it's all unknown and (for now) unknowable. He does not state there is no god. That guy would be a gnostic atheist.
When you say atheist you mean agnostic-atheist? Don't you know that agnostic atheism is part of agnosticism and not of atheism as you and CoR thought?

By the way you gave the defitition of weak agnosticm, rather than agnostic atheist.
former res wrote:
<quoted text>So why do you call agnosticism a conclusion?
He says "I see no evidence of god" therefore I take no position either way. I'm a fence sitter.
Yup. On a second thought I retire my affermationn of agnosticism being a conclusion
former res wrote:
<quoted text>learned all this Catholic theology growing up and finally asked how we know any of it is true.
The response was, "Fatih." That's where I got off the bus.
Never understood the mentality of a believer.

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#70678 Apr 1, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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If you go deeper in to the literature, the answer would be yes.- one could become one with God
there is a famous debate about this - about whether deveket is union or just attachment
I dont know if you could get that off of google, you would have to get access to actual texts
the point is you are wrong
rabbee: well joel continuously calls many tantrums, just one tantra at a time.

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#70679 Apr 1, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
I have an invitation to travel with a group of friends to meet the DALAI LAMA in Dharamshala in Mcleodganj in Himachal Pradesh. The place is teeming with Tibetans, Europeans, Israelis, Indians and Chinese intel chaps. I am not going as the Dalai Lama has a dark character that's hidden behind his smiling face. He's some sort of an occultist of the negative school of Tantra. Besides, these days, the spontaneous yogic experiences have recommenced in quite a big way and so it would not be advisable for me to go on the trip.
You sound more like an agoraphobic and paranoid .
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
I will not be flying down to AUROVILLE in Peninsular India to meet Aviram Rozin and others there because the current crop of spontaneous yogic experiences are too deep and too novel thus making me stay put at home. In this indrawn condition when wave upon wave of the higher consciousness-force keeps descending into my body from above the head giving me some of the most unique yogic experiences that I have ever experienced till date, it would be dangerous to venture out of home. For the past few hours, the dynamic descent of the higher consciousness-force has ceased. Let me see when it resumes.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70680 Apr 1, 2014
EXPERIENCE OF TRANSFERRED JEALOUSY

People often use the phrase "burning with jealousy".

Yes, it's true.

Some time ago when sitting with an acquaintance, I made a remark about my days at IIT and how difficult the course was and how successfully it went for me .

As soon as I made this remark about my academic achievement, the person made a comment that was meant to lower my academic achievement and at that very instant when his jealousy became apparent to me I instantly felt a wave of unbalanced energy pass from his brain into mine and I still vividly remember the way it abnormally vibrated my brain with an intense burning sensation for at least a minute. I was in pain.

I then remembered the oft used phrase in English - "burning with jealousy".

Yes, the person was burning with jealousy and I on account of my highly sensitive nervous system that's open to all sorts of invading influences due tot the yoga experienced his jealousy as it radiated out of his brain.

Since: Nov 13

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#70681 Apr 1, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You must be the only (non Chinese) person alive who thinks the Dali Lama is evil
Who needs Rorsach?
rabbee: well joel is not the only person, who thinks the dolly sheepa is an evil person. but the way i see it, two non-kosher evil critters are going to meet. with his dark tantrum, vs dolly's dark tantrum. in the meeting of, g-dzilla vs reptilicus. throwing their dragonballs, ka-mayo mayo's at each other.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#70682 Apr 1, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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mindfullness is a meditation practice
contemplation is a form of prayer that is also considered by many as meditation
Prayer itself isnt just in the form of petition. Its also can be in the forms of acknowledgement, and praise. At least that's how its approached in Judaism.
..20
Well non-progress report.
Too much pain is considered a contra-indication to even start mindfullness.

DAFT
It seems you need some anchor/baseline.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70683 Apr 1, 2014
RABBEE,

How are you?

I hope everything is well with you.

Tell me, is it possible to hear the subtlest of sounds when the auditory nerve opens up under the pressure of the dynamic descent of the higher consciousness-force?

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