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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63870 Dec 9, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
To annoy idiots.
See how well it works?
HughBe--why do people of your religion write G-d? Give a truthful answer.

Rick---To annoy idiots.

HughBe---That explains why I am not annoyed.

Rick---See how well it works?

HughBe--- I take it that you are annoyed. Please share the other reasons why you are annoyed.

Observation, it is one thing to think that the practice is nonsense it is another thing to be annoyed by it.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#63872 Dec 9, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
HUGH,
I may go the whole hog quoting and analyzing verses from the Tanach and the NT and then use logic, science, intuition and mystical experience to blow to bits the entire Bible, its teachings, its morals, its mysticism, its rituals, its patriarchs, its G-d and its Son of G-d.
I am more than capable of doing what I have mentioned above.
No one - neither the biblical G-d nor the patriarchs nor the rabbis nor the priests nor the intellectuals nor the Son of G-d nor the laity can win a debate with me and invariably the oppositions is destroyed and flees in humiliation.
Typing is a burden, speaking aloud via Skype or to you in person would be so much easier.
Anyway, let me see whether I am in a mood to take on the Bible (Tanach and NT) with a view to demolishing it once and for all.....
I mean these biblical entities referred to by me above are unfit to be mentioned as constituting parts of true spiritualism. They are aspects of sorcery.
True spiritualism is very different and is not found in the Tanach or in the NT.
Beware.
I'll take you on Joel, any place, any time.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63873 Dec 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>

I'll take you on Joel, any place, any time.
Really?

With what will you tackle me - scriptural hogwash? LOL.

Scriptural teachings can be shown rubbish in minutes.

Intellectually you're no match for me and as for the spiritual (experiential) part, well, you have none to rely on.

Well, anyway, stick to your delusions about Tanach and NT and whatever.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63874 Dec 10, 2013
YOGA AND PHYSICS:

1) Yoga far exceeds physics in content, application, experience and logic but both disciplines lean towards monism to explain the truth of existence.

2) Yoga takes its stand mainly on consciousness and less on energy and matter, while physics is exclusively focused on studying the effects of energy/matter within 4-dimesional space-time and taps into the universal energy/matter field to exploit its inherent power or to fabricate devices which we call technology.

3) Yogis make an ass of themselves when they ignorantly proclaim that consciousness created the cosmos or that consciousness created energy/matter. This is impossible since intelligence or awareness can only plan, think, reflect, conceptualize, direct, intuit or analyze. Consciousness by itself cannot do work since it does not possess energy nor can it create substance like energy or matter as it is not constituted of energy/matter.

4) What most mystics fail to understand is that consciousness cannot exist separately from energy field since consciousness by which I mean the intelligent principle is devoid of matter and as such it can not exist as a physical entity nor does consciousness possess energy which means that consciousness cannot exist as an energy field as well and besides being devoid of energy thus consciousness will not be capable of doing work since energy is needed to do work of any kind - material, intellectual, emotional, mystical.

3) Consciousness is simply the intelligent principle in energy/matter field.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63875 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
With what will you tackle me - scriptural hogwash? LOL.
Scriptural teachings can be shown rubbish in minutes.
Intellectually you're no match for me and as for the spiritual (experiential) part, well, you have none to rely on.
Well, anyway, stick to your delusions about Tanach and NT and whatever.
Another coward

Well at least you are in good company here, Mon.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63877 Dec 10, 2013
TRUTH SEEKER TYPED:

"From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool."



(Gita 2:63)

JOEL'S REPLY:

More uncausal bull shit from the Gita.

The actual mechanism underlying anger, delusion, bewilderment of memory, loss of intelligence and the crash into crass materialism is quite different....

There's no concrete or pronounced causal connection among the above.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63881 Dec 10, 2013
TRUTH SEEKER TYPED:

"Don't try to analyze Geeta from an Atheist mindset. You will also get deluded, or, I believe the symptoms of above verse is already affecting you..."

JOEL'S REPLY:

I am a yogi-intellectual not an atheist nor a crass materialist.

Bye.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63882 Dec 10, 2013
Bye, going out shopping. Later.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#63883 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
With what will you tackle me - scriptural hogwash? LOL.
Scriptural teachings can be shown rubbish in minutes.
Intellectually you're no match for me and as for the spiritual (experiential) part, well, you have none to rely on.
Well, anyway, stick to your delusions about Tanach and NT and whatever.
Chicken?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63884 Dec 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Chicken?
Him and Hugh are two who peed in the pod.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#63885 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Him and Hugh are two who peed in the pod.
LOL

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63886 Dec 10, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>LOL
Actually, I suspect it is a bit of BROMANCE going around, or worse.(not that there is anything wrong with worse)

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#63887 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Joel - Is God or G-d with his anthropopathic attributes and typal personality and possibly his incarnate form the ineffable unified absolute field of conscious-energy?

Hugh - I cannot speak for G-d as I know him not.

However, God is not a field of conscious or unconscious energy.
If, as you say, God cannot be expressed in terms of consciousness- energy and matter that form a unified field, then, what is the typal nature of the God you worship?

What is the basal composition or the typal nature of the spiritual side of existence?

How does the spiritual side of existence causally connect with the cosmos that's a projection of the unified field of consciousness- energy and matter?

Provide very precise definitions backed with logical reasons and evidence and don't forget to explain the causal mechanisms.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63888 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Joel-- Are they many typal beings on the various cosmic planes with each being calling itself God/G-d who warns its human followers of dire consequences if they happen to worship other Gods or if they turn apostate?

HughBe---I would say yes and they are known as demons and are frauds as there is ONE UNIFIED God.
The typal being that you worship as God would be labelled a demon by a person of another faith and so this kind of reasoning is futile and shallow.

By the way, on which supracosmic/cosmic plane are these typal beings (or the demons as you call them) located?

What is the phenomena in action on that/those planes where these demons are found?

On which plane is your God found? How do you know? What're the causal mechanisms on that plane and how would you describe the phenomena there?

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63889 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
There is ONE UNIFIED God.
What is meant by the term - ONE UNIFIED God?

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63890 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Joel-- Can Jesus be called a good man or the absolute in human form after considering his numerous shortcomings and failures?

Hugh--- Of course Jesus can be called good but perfect would be more accurate.
If Jesus is PERFECT then shouldn't Jesus have manifested perfect knowledge of nature, being, self and phenomena which evidently he didn't and besides shouldn't a perfect Jesus have displayed perfect control over his opponents without saying a negative word and shouldn't Jesus have refrained from abusing/cursing his detractors and killing a fig tree and instead have won over his opponents to his side with the least effort and without using a single harsh word and shouldn't a perfect being like Jesus solved all the numerous problems plaguing humankind and regenerated the unregenerate earth plane and shouldn't a perfect Jesus manifested physical immortality and perfect invincibility during his earthly avatar?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63891 Dec 10, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
What is meant by the term - ONE UNIFIED God?
Pagan mental gymnastics

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63892 Dec 10, 2013
HughBe wrote:
Joel--- Is it possible for the ineffable unified absolute field of conscious-energy to incarnate on earth in its true nature? How?

Hugh--- NO. Do you believe that the field can incarnate and if yes how?
Incarnation results in the modification of the typal nature of an entity.

The phenomenon of incarnation always results in a diminution of information content and a dilution of the essential power of the typal entity that incarnates since an incarnation of a typal being can only take place through the intervening planes that are juxtaposed between its native station and the plane on which it seeks to incarnate.

This is the reason why many avatars like Krishna make serious errors despite being typal entities of superior planes like the cosmic overmind -1.

The typal godhead of say the overmind -1 incarnates on earth and sees a great diminution of its native power, light, bliss, plasticity and knowledge and as such it comes under the sway of the inferior powers of the lower planes through which it has descended on its way to incarnating on earth and so the consciousness of the typal being of say the overmind-1 gets infused by the lower information of the inferior planes and is as such modified or it gets hybridized and at times it succumbs to the swamping phenomenon and acts in an inferior manner and makes mistakes.

So, keeping this logic firmly in mind, it stands to reason that if the absolute field of conscious-energy seeks to incarnate on say the terrestrial plane it would undergo a severe diminution in information and power as it would have to descend through all the hundreds of intervening planes before manifesting on earth and besides gross matter is so dense, resistant and unregenerate that it would further place a great strain on the incarnating power of the absolute field and seek to diminish its essence and most importantly the earth nature is far removed from the plenary nature of the absolute field and so there would be serious misunderstanding in minds of ordinary people of the power of the absolute field even if it manifested a portion of its essence on earth.

Since: Aug 11

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#63893 Dec 10, 2013
Frijoles - interesting article on secular Jews and the Jewish label.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

PS - Don't let Hughbe jump in until he's answered our question.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#63894 Dec 10, 2013
Hugh,

I hope you sincerely answer all my questions and make appropriate responses of a serious intellectual kind.

I don't want to read funny or sarcastic answers.

If you have no answer to a specific question or statement, just say so instead of beating around the bush.

I am here for serious debate and not to kill time nor to target detractors nor to incite my pals to mock you nor to indulge in rigid thinking that borders on fanaticism.

Thank you.

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