Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59115 Sep 27, 2013
By itself insentient matter cannot display order nor purpose nor can it give rise to sentience nor to life forms nor to genetic mutations nor to natural selections that all imply an innate intelligent principle at work in energy/matter. The origin of life and evolution make sense only if we consider intelligence as an intrinsic part of energy/matter processes.

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#59116 Sep 27, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: when the insanity of this insane world, becomes your reality. i really do not think, it is all that imbecilic fascinating.
and science, still has not agreed on their lie for how they insanely think the cosmos got there either. just when they think they are so close. something else shows up, to blow all their theories to further in hell.
The scientific method facilitates learning from mistakes and making refinemens, adjustments or downright development of new theories as more evidence comes to light. In short, science learns from its mistakes and constantly refines its conclusions. As you should know, that's a good thing.

Compare that to the static dogma of religious belief, that stubbornly clings to mistaken notions of truth, even after they've been clearly shown to be wrong. I'll take the scientific method over faith-based beliefs any day. Faith won't cure your cancer or feed the hungry. Science and human ingenuity will.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59117 Sep 27, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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All Torah scrolls say exactly the same thing thanks to the Masoretes
Your translation is false.
rabbee: is that precisely according to, the Ashkenazi's or Sephardic's? and did the masoretes, get G-D'S Actual approvial for that?

how many slightly differing, Torah Scrolls did Daveed allegedly find? G-D says it is a most serious sin, to alter any Torah Scroll in any way shape or form.

this is the third time, for all of you and your grandmother here in TheTorah. and how many slightly different Torah Scrolls, did they find in The Temple?

if you have an altered Torah Scroll, from men any where. then yours, is false. sorry not buying your, delusional mental magic from insane men in this world.

there is nothing, this world pretending to not be here in TheTorah. they, won't lie about. as i do not care from where, in this insane world you got your lies from. i got all my info, from G-D THEMSELVES here in TheTorah happening again.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59118 Sep 27, 2013
Science has the power to cure many diseases and it can feed the poor by growing more food using modern techniques but science cannot give you peace, make you conscientious, make you merciful, make you compassionate, or help you manifest love in life.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59119 Sep 27, 2013
Nor can science tell us anything about consciousness, will, instinct, mind, emotion, life or purpose.

Adam 36

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#59120 Sep 27, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: is that precisely according to, the Ashkenazi's or Sephardic's? and did the masoretes, get G-D'S Actual approvial for that?
how many slightly differing, Torah Scrolls did Daveed allegedly find? G-D says it is a most serious sin, to alter any Torah Scroll in any way shape or form.
this is the third time, for all of you and your grandmother here in TheTorah. and how many slightly different Torah Scrolls, did they find in The Temple?
if you have an altered Torah Scroll, from men any where. then yours, is false. sorry not buying your, delusional mental magic from insane men in this world.
there is nothing, this world pretending to not be here in TheTorah. they, won't lie about. as i do not care from where, in this insane world you got your lies from. i got all my info, from G-D THEMSELVES here in TheTorah happening again.
There is only 1 Torah scroll in use today. The Dead Sea scrolls do differ slightly in style but not content and meaning.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59121 Sep 27, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The scientific method facilitates learning from mistakes and making refinemens, adjustments or downright development of new theories as more evidence comes to light. In short, science learns from its mistakes and constantly refines its conclusions. As you should know, that's a good thing.
Compare that to the static dogma of religious belief, that stubbornly clings to mistaken notions of truth, even after they've been clearly shown to be wrong. I'll take the scientific method over faith-based beliefs any day. Faith won't cure your cancer or feed the hungry. Science and human ingenuity will.
rabbee: to adjust your lies to fit your mistakes. hell i can get than from, jews, christians, and muslems. why do i need yours.

were you there, when G-D came to speak to me? who are you asking for me to believe in, you, science, or G-D? if so you, are asking too much from me. science does not exempt, scientist from being liars and pagan idolaters.

why can't you admit, science has always been a liar, about the formation of all physical totality. and their lying still, ain't got it right yet. if they ain't got it right yet, their still lying to you.

i do not want to hear, their or your excuses why they are still attempting to lie. every time they think they are close. somebody keeps throwing, them a curve ball.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59122 Sep 27, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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There is only 1 Torah scroll in use today. The Dead Sea scrolls do differ slightly in style but not content and meaning.
rabbee: are you sure, it is TheOne for This time here in TheTorah? and pull your own leg, all you want. the fact that there are, Ashkenazi and Sephardic Torah Designations. says you are, a liar. even the alleged as fact, of finding three differing Torah Scrolls in The First Temple, says your a liar. you can't legally according to G-D, alter any of those to make one Torah out of them. there is a prohibition, against doing that. i am not listening to any of you, pagan atheists that do not believe in G-D here in TheTorah actually in TheHappening again. i do not believe any of you, who do not believe there is TheG-D giving TheTorah until the end of the sixth day again.

Adam 36

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#59123 Sep 27, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: are you sure, it is TheOne for This time here in TheTorah? and pull your own leg, all you want. the fact that there are, Ashkenazi and Sephardic Torah Designations. says you are, a liar. even the alleged as fact, of finding three differing Torah Scrolls in The First Temple, says your a liar. you can't legally according to G-D, alter any of those to make one Torah out of them. there is a prohibition, against doing that. i am not listening to any of you, pagan atheists that do not believe in G-D here in TheTorah actually in TheHappening again. i do not believe any of you, who do not believe there is TheG-D giving TheTorah until the end of the sixth day again.
I suggest you educate yourself on the Masoretic texts and the Torah. Stop spreadng false information

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...

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#59124 Sep 27, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: to adjust your lies to fit your mistakes. hell i can get than from, jews, christians, and muslems. why do i need yours.
were you there, when G-D came to speak to me? who are you asking for me to believe in, you, science, or G-D? if so you, are asking too much from me. science does not exempt, scientist from being liars and pagan idolaters.
why can't you admit, science has always been a liar, about the formation of all physical totality. and their lying still, ain't got it right yet. if they ain't got it right yet, their still lying to you.
i do not want to hear, their or your excuses why they are still attempting to lie. every time they think they are close. somebody keeps throwing, them a curve ball.
Sounds like you are having trouble differentiating between being wrong about something and lying. You need to work on understanding the difference.

You're just having a hard time with reality these days, and I can sympathize with that. But your subjective experiences (i.e. being visited by God) are unverifiable by me, and I have no reason to believe them. That doesn't mean I believe you are a liar.

Butterscotch Pearl

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#59125 Sep 27, 2013
this thread is the best. . much knowledge hear..good work.

Butterscotch Pearl

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#59126 Sep 27, 2013
and i know its spelled here.. o tay player..this is tbones... still workin at the fortress n manhattan?

Butterscotch Pearl

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#59127 Sep 27, 2013
Hey there is a forum in kentucky.n winchester. they seem to have forgotton the meaning to free speech. us true americans will always no what it truly means. well anyways take it easy new york.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59128 Sep 27, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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I suggest you educate yourself on the Masoretic texts and the Torah. Stop spreadng false information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...
rabbee: so now you are calling, TheTorah Scroll false information? there is nothing i have said, that cannot be verified in TheTorah. there is no command, to read any other new testament but only TheTorah. no matter how much higher than G-D, you think your commands men are.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59129 Sep 27, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Sounds like you are having trouble differentiating between being wrong about something and lying. You need to work on understanding the difference.
You're just having a hard time with reality these days, and I can sympathize with that. But your subjective experiences (i.e. being visited by God) are unverifiable by me, and I have no reason to believe them. That doesn't mean I believe you are a liar.
rabbee: it is not my fault, you are not using TheTorah. to verify my being here, and everything G-D gave for me to say.

and you can't ever be wrong, unless you lie. lying produces, wrongfulness. does not matter if it is because, you got suckered by some one or not.

it does not take that long, for G-D to make all of physical totality. the hard part, is all you not ever here in TheTorah knuckleheads.

Butterscotch Pearl

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#59130 Sep 27, 2013
Well i agree on both parties to an extent.But i must clear something up.Man cannot see the ext ernal spheres.Science is man made thought. So science is far from real truth and beauty.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#59131 Sep 27, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Nutty extremists exist in every religion. YOU, above all, should understand that.
And let's not forget extreme behavior by Christians that was once considered acceptable....
- Crusades against Muslims, PAgans, Heretics, etc...
- Pogroms against Jews
- Spanish Inquisition
- etc,...
Every religion has blood on their hands, yours included.
What's wrong with crusades against Muslims? After the news about the Westgate Mall in Nairobi came out, I think its about time for a new one.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#59132 Sep 27, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Yes, let's use our God given brains...
Tell me. Where exactly can I find the original stone tablets? If they actually existed, dictated by an Omnipotent god and scribed by one of his most famous prophets, then surely God would have preserved them, no? Otherwise, how can we be sure of the source and authenticity of these alleged commandments?
They are in the Ark, currently stored in a warehouse in Area 51

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#59133 Sep 27, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The funny thing about mythical objects or beings that are claimed to be real - no one can ever produce any evidence for them.
That is the way the Gods want it to be...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#59134 Sep 27, 2013
nutjobs here wrote:
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The Torah speak of homosexuals in the world. The sin is to act on it. It could be to do with the fact that wasting sperm is considered a sin.
Think so? Cite chapter and verse...

It certainly was not Onan, since his crime was not wasting sperm, but the way he treated his sister-in-law.

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