Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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yehoshooah adam

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#55021 Jun 15, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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There is nothing moot about my points. One does not practice to become a SEED or offspring of Israel.
Do you practice to become a offspring of your mother or grandparents?
Your point about being true to God is key and valid.
it is irrelevant who is or is not, a seed of Ysrael. the only thing that is relevant is who is or is not, true to G-D here in TheTorah in the now happening.

and according to G-D, i don't have any actual biological grandparents. i only have, THE HOO VHEE PARENT and TheSurrogate Vessel to get here.

no body can enter physically into this world, without at least having a Surrogate Mother. the minimum requirement, you have to have a Mother. so don't worry if you get confused, trying to figure this out. or that some how, i had two Mothers running around at the same time. the one from 2000 years ago, and the one for this period in time.

so now i can only practice to be, The-Offspring of my YE HOO VHEE PARENT.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55022 Jun 15, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The same guys that are overly paranoid about a gun registry are collecting data from third parties about who might own guns and might want to be members. Now that's irony.
The profit motive trumps their ideals.

Like when the tea baggers held up signs at their rallies:

"Get your gov't hands of my Medicare!!"

Not very bright bunch. Not Mensa material!
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55023 Jun 15, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You are qualified for mensa and you cant even figure out how to hook your smart tv on wifi?
That's my wife's (not wifi's) department.

I'm the "big idea" guy!

:))
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55024 Jun 15, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Former---I know the basic beliefs of Christians are but I'm agnostic.
HughBe---Please share them
Google it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55025 Jun 15, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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...HughBe---I see clubs on Topix.
Do you also see dead people?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55026 Jun 15, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---God made nothing flawed. Why do you consider your ability to choose as a FLAW? Explain.
Being gay is not a choice or what people do.

It is who they are.

If you don't understand this you will be lost
on this subject and perhaps others.

You need to open your mind.

Do not believe everything your preacher and
your "sacred" texts tell you.

This for yourself, if possible.
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Some will say that you were and are a mistake but be comforted God did not make you.
God did not make man?

Are we an accident of nature?
HughBe wrote:
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Former--Gay people to you are not "normal" and they carry out sinful activity.
HughBe--- NORMAL in what way? ALL straight people carry out sinful activities.
You said what they did was not normal.

I am speaking of the specific sins of gay people.

As you define it and them.
HughBe wrote:
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Former---So why would god create such people with such a loathsome lifestyle?
HughBe--- He wanted THINKERS and people who would of their own free will CHOOSE the good over the bad.
Gay people do not make the choice to be gay.

This was explained to you.
HughBe wrote:
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Former---The same god who created you, correct?
HughBe--- No god created me.
Again, do you not believe that god created man?

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#55027 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
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That's my wife's (not wifi's) department.
I'm the "big idea" guy!
:))
Besides, no one ever side superior intelligence and common sense go hand in hand.

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#55028 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
Being gay is not a choice or what people do.
It is who they are.
If you don't understand this you will be lost
on this subject and perhaps others.
You need to open your mind.
Do not believe everything your preacher and
your "sacred" texts tell you.
This for yourself, if possible.
Herein lies the problem for most religionists. They either don't accept the fact that it is not a choice to be gay, or if they do, they expect gay people to refrain from sexual activity.
former res wrote:
Again, do you not believe that god created man?
As usual, Huggy is being pedantic. He does not recognize lowercase god. Try the question again with uppercase (as if that should make a difference when referencing an imaginary being).
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55029 Jun 15, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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What they should be a social group? Since little they felt to be different from the most people. The thoughts of ordinary people are ridiculous, for them. Maybe because of their high IQ they were treated bad at school. They prefer to stay with their similars, and share/discuss thgeir intellectual idea without problems and misunderstanding and very fast. All things quite hard to realize with ordinary people. I understand them.
Thinking "the thoughts of ordinary people are ridiculous" is smug and ridiculous in itself.

As Dickens said, "Mankind is our business!"

Statements such as yours sound elitist in the worst way. Not admirable but beneath scorn.

You sound so low you could walk under a snake with a high hat on.

I believe you only understand them because you were treated badly at school.
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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I have no idea about how reliable was your test but you don't seem that intelligent.
I can believe you think that.
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Here the majority of people eat between 7:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. Those few who eat at 10 p.m. or later are the ones who are going to restaurants but are a bit late because they were waiting some friend(s) who usually are not in time.
Here only children eat at 6:30 p.m.
Here children and old people eat very early.

When I said, "But Mom, in Rome they don't go out to eat until much later," my 80-year-old mother replied, "Well, you're not in Rome!"

Not much I could say to that.

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#55030 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
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The profit motive trumps their ideals.
Like when the tea baggers held up signs at their rallies:
"Get your gov't hands of my Medicare!!"
Not very bright bunch. Not Mensa material!
The funny thing is that the NRA is just one bribe or one subpoena away from providing a quasi-registry to the government in the form of their membership roster. Contrary to their phony protestations, the registry already exists.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#55031 Jun 15, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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You proven it doesn't.
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Vigilance does? Once I was reading an anrticle on Wiki and I found typed something like muahahahahahahah". After few months it was still there. Maybe it was my bad they were having a long strike, isn't it? LOL
There could be a group of volunteer contributors and editors but I wonder if they vision all the wiki pages, and how vast is their knowledge, and how they can know an information that can be as true as false, having nothing to back it up?
Anyone you, me and other people can modify any wiki page and other may let or change it, but still if the information you gave is unknown to the folks even if it wrong you can bet it will be there for long time.
If you don't trust Wikipedia, then I suggest you don't use it.

Everything needs to be footnoted/sourced - just like any other encyclopedia.

No doubt there are things you believe in that I do not.

So I guess we're even.
yehoshooah adam

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#55032 Jun 15, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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I don't see them as monotheistic, but rather as monolatristic. So the accusation was that maybe they were no longer monolatristic.
rabbee: well yes, accusing them of being a house of vipers or hasatan would tend to suggest they were worse than that.

did not actually come out and say it, but He was condemning them. as the reason why, the romans were there. because they were, no longer true to G-D.

the facts seem also to indicate this, with most high priests not living long enough to celebrate their 1st year anniversary. and still can't admit, we are doing something seriously wrong.

i mean things got so bad, they started the traditions. of tying a rope to their ankles, and putting jingle bells on their garments. so that if the bells, went silent for too long. well it's time to pull them out, with the rope. cause they ain't coming out, on their own. and if G-D, was that angry. they sure did not want to go in there, to carry their body out.

if you have that many high priest, dying in The-Tabernacle they are definitely doing something wrong. and even the rabeem today, ignore this completely. cause it might, make them look bad.
yehoshooah adam

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#55033 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
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Being gay is not a choice or what people do.
It is who they are.
If you don't understand this you will be lost
on this subject and perhaps others.
You need to open your mind.
Do not believe everything your preacher and
your "sacred" texts tell you.
This for yourself, if possible.
<quoted text>
God did not make man?
Are we an accident of nature?
<quoted text>
You said what they did was not normal.
I am speaking of the specific sins of gay people.
As you define it and them.
<quoted text>
Gay people do not make the choice to be gay.
This was explained to you.
<quoted text>
Again, do you not believe that god created man?
rabbee: last i heard, being under the jurisdiction of halooseefer is by choice. they just got themselves, cut from the baal hamolech herd. which is also, by bad choices. if truly you have not chose, TheG-D of TheTorah. then what else have you chosen, as the enemy of G-D here in TheTorah?

do you think, people get cancer or war. because this world believes, in G-D truly? no! pestilence, plague, and famine, are always indications of increasing disbelief. pestilence has been hitting the united states, for quite some time now. and science has you convinced, it is not because of your disbelief in G-D. and lets face some facts here, terrorism is an increase in crime plague rates. and if continued, war and famine will happen. we are already seeing the danger signs of droughts that always precedes significant famine.
yehoshooah adam

Anonymous Proxy

#55034 Jun 15, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Herein lies the problem for most religionists. They either don't accept the fact that it is not a choice to be gay, or if they do, they expect gay people to refrain from sexual activity.
<quoted text>
As usual, Huggy is being pedantic. He does not recognize lowercase god. Try the question again with uppercase (as if that should make a difference when referencing an imaginary being).
rabbee: G-Dlessnes is a choice, to not truly be with G-D. and so shall fall under the conditioning, the conditions and jurisdictions of either hasatan, or ball hamolech, or halooseefer.

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#55035 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
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That's my wife's (not wifi's) department.
I'm the "big idea" guy!
:))
Just to let you know that I havent used my new TV once, since I hooked it up and tried it out on the first day. Apparently lifestyles trump tech, at least for the moment.

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#55036 Jun 15, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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What they should be a social group? Since little they felt to be different from the most people. The thoughts of ordinary people are ridiculous, for them. Maybe because of their high IQ they were treated bad at school. They prefer to stay with their similars, and share/discuss thgeir intellectual idea without problems and misunderstanding and very fast. All things quite hard to realize with ordinary people. I understand them.
I have no idea about how reliable was your test but you don't seem that intelligent.
I found your post so funny it would be a disservice to even bother with a comment.

I still dont know if you are a troll, or just incredibly sheltered and lacking life experience.

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#55037 Jun 15, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Shavua Tov, ya'll. You know, I can see his point. When Buddhism creates such a tolerant and amiable person as this, it's a wonder everyone doesn't join up and start staring at their navel all day long.
Where do I sign up to become a Buddhist and can I still eat steak?
He is not a Bhuddist, dont worry. However, your point about his meditation practice is spot on.

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#55038 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
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If you don't trust Wikipedia, then I suggest you don't use it.
Everything needs to be footnoted/sourced - just like any other encyclopedia.
No doubt there are things you believe in that I do not.
So I guess we're even.
Wiki is my friend. The best part are the footnotes, especially if they are links.

Anyone with the ability to be discerning can navigate around the less scholarly and more opinionated passages. Not a much different skill than being able to filter the regular press.

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#55039 Jun 15, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---Kiss your tushie. And then fick off.
HughBe--- Go get another circumcision :D
Frijoles---You are in luck today!
HughBe--- Will you be getting your Male Laser Lift before or after the circumcision?
At least I have the balls to be worked on.

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#55040 Jun 15, 2013
former res wrote:
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Do you also see dead people?
I saw them a few times in the 80s to early 90s, before Jerry died.

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