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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49457 Feb 20, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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But she knows to have a love relationship with you?
If by love you mean the usual animal attraction, then the answer is no.

Our relationship is based on mutual respect and on intellectual, cultural and spiritual compatibility and convenience.

Love can follow.

This much is very clear to both of us and we want it to be this way.

At present, the pressure of the yogic force that's acting spontaneously without me making the least effort is strong on me despite quitting the yoga in Dec 2012 and so carnal thoughts and the sexual act itself are out of the question. Even now the pressure of the higher force is quite intense that since this morning I am finding it difficult to keep my eyes open and remain in the waking consciousness. The pressure and heat generated by the dynamic descent of the force is causing my waking consciousness to go within. I am quite in a daze and am swaying and can barely type or sit before the monitor. I am just forcing myself to type and sit. I am indulging in these physical activities since I don't want to enter trance and its concomitant semi-conscious state that can go on for hours or days and this then is invariably followed by a vicious attack from the adverse powers that seek to undo all the spiritual gain. I want to avoid being attacked as I've had enough of this and so this typing and sitting here.

Ok, then.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49458 Feb 20, 2013
Punishing people, imposing one's puerile teachings on others, killing one's opponents and seeking to rule people/nation are signs of a crude and vile megalomaniac. Oh Muhammad, when will you learn, idiot?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49459 Feb 20, 2013
Later.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49460 Feb 20, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
If by love you mean the usual animal attraction, then the answer is no.
Thats not love, that is lust
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>Our relationship is based on mutual respect and on intellectual, cultural and spiritual compatibility and convenience.
Love can follow.
That is love (minus the convenience factor)

With convenience and less on the other factors is "friends with benefits"

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#49461 Feb 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Our Prophet and Jews of Bani QURAIZAH:
I received only one answer to my first part of the post dealing with this subject, and I would answer it before my next installment.
01. Our Prophet was not "only a prophet" in the sense of Jews. He was charged with "mission to establish the Kingdom of heaven". He was both a Prophet and Ruler, so he acted as Head of Muslims and Jews of Madina as another party to the fact.
Why only the Jews of Medina were folls? I say all Jews were fools for past many centuries!!
If they would have accepted the message of Jesus, they would have been ruling the whole world by now.
And if they would have accepted the message of our prophet, they would have been ruling the whole of Palestine for past 1400 years.
But they "choose" to live in the "narrow pond" of their racism and their elders and that is what they are paying for past 2000 years and for past 60 odd years ruling a "part of Palestine" only with the help and support of their "Christian brothers".
02. Our records show that Jews broke the pact. If you have any evidence of the contrary, bring it forward. Just your "wishing and assumptions" shall not become facts.
03. Our prophet as "Head of Muslim nation" had every authority to punish people who broke the treaty.
"Only" problem with our prophet was that "he was too kind hearted"!! If he was like Joshua or David or even like Moses, he would have got all of them killed or banished at the "first sign of trouble".
04. Our prophet "did make pacts with other jewish tribes living outside Madina provided they paid Tribute" it is true.
But that happened after Jews of Madina were dealt with. It happened in year 6 AH after KHAIBAR was conquered.
Madina became "Jew free" in year 5 AH , All Praise to Allah.
05. If our prophet was a "merciless killer" as you said , he would have done to these Jews what "Moses did to those Midianites" or What Joshua did to Jericho!!
Why do you not look at your own record before laying allegation on others?
What a long post you wrote... I can easily answer you but I guess it is totally useless your brain has been brainwashed for well that you are neither aware you've just called a merciless killer with dictatorship tendency as too kind hearted.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#49462 Feb 20, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
If by love you mean the usual animal attraction, then the answer is no.
Our relationship is based on mutual respect and on intellectual, cultural and spiritual compatibility and convenience.
Love can follow.
This much is very clear to both of us and we want it to be this way.
At present, the pressure of the yogic force that's acting spontaneously without me making the least effort is strong on me despite quitting the yoga in Dec 2012 and so carnal thoughts and the sexual act itself are out of the question. Even now the pressure of the higher force is quite intense that since this morning I am finding it difficult to keep my eyes open and remain in the waking consciousness. The pressure and heat generated by the dynamic descent of the force is causing my waking consciousness to go within. I am quite in a daze and am swaying and can barely type or sit before the monitor. I am just forcing myself to type and sit. I am indulging in these physical activities since I don't want to enter trance and its concomitant semi-conscious state that can go on for hours or days and this then is invariably followed by a vicious attack from the adverse powers that seek to undo all the spiritual gain. I want to avoid being attacked as I've had enough of this and so this typing and sitting here.
Ok, then.
When I said love I did not mean sex.

So is this couple supposed to be without progeny for long time, I understand?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49463 Feb 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

Thats not love, that is lust

<quoted text>
Animal attraction includes an unregenerate form of love and lust.

Love is a condition of the awakened psychic or some still higher aspect of consciousness that's free from dimunition and free from the taint of raw emotions and gross psychological instincts. This kind of love is rare to find among the ordinary human types that throng the world.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49464 Feb 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>

That is love (minus the convenience factor)

With convenience and less on the other factors is "friends with benefits"
We're trying to stabilize our lives in many ways by living together since we're so very compatible in most ways. Let's see how it goes.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49465 Feb 20, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>

So is this couple supposed to be without progeny for long time, I understand?
No progeny as it will not be a physical relationship to begin with on account of the spontaneous yoga taking place in my being despite quitting the integral yoga a few months ago.

If at all the relationship turns physical at a later stage if and only if the yogic experiences withdraw by themselves then too we most likely will not have kids (for a few reasons)...

My live-in relationship with Rachel is to stabilize the physical, emotional and psychological instrumental parts of being and in view of the spontaneous yogic experiences that're continuing till now it would constitute a means to serve as an experiment in compatibility in which the purush (the cosmic consciousness-force principle) channeled through the male (Joel) plays the role of the stato-dynamic witness that in an unattached manner acts in and through the shakti (the cosmic consciousness-force) represented by buju Rachel via her modes of consciousness and energy in action. We want to see how much this kind of a relationship can achieve in terms of attaining to a cohesive purush-shakti state of consciousness and what're its results on being and surroundings. Till now it was a solo effort with disastrous effects in the form of the most vicious force assaults imaginable that forced me to quit the integral yoga.

The kind of relationship I just described above is a most difficult aim to achieve in spontaneous mode without putting in any effort on our parts but by just being conscious of all the movements and processes going on in being and in environment and by simply becoming pliant instruments of the Higher Force that's spontaneously acting in and through me at all times with varying degrees of intensity and without provoking the adverse vital powers by simply staying passive while the Higher Force acts (in and through me) and extends to connect with her being and with our surroundings.

Instead of degrading carnal relationships based on lust or those based on mere crass materiliasm and a denial of anything subtle that exceeds the gross physical, we're, in view of the direct proof of the higher states of existence over the years, giving this well-thought out male-female alliance a serious try like the great rishis (seers) of the past, who, on many occasions, entered into such refined relationships to rise to still greater yogic heights (in modern times, this kind of exalted male-female relationship was personified in the lives of Ramakrishna and Sharda and Aurobindo and his Jewish spiritual colloborator, the Mother).

Relationhsips based on possessiveness, lust, selfishness, self-denial, hedonism, insensitivity and other negatives are not for us.

Let us see how far it goes and what're the results.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#49466 Feb 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead we have been ruling Palestine since 1948. I think, on the whole, we got the better half of the deal. Your people couldnt even retain your own country - India.
Your rule is just 64 years old....Muslims ruled India for about 1000 years.\

You have lot of catching to do come even close.

What about the "Whole Land Palestine which YHWH gave to you for Everlasting possession"? When THAT promise is going to materialize?

When HAmas and Hizbollah are gone?
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#49467 Feb 20, 2013
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64A

4. Jews and their Laws of War:

And we should see, if Jews had not used this law against their enemies in the past. And we should also see if there were any Jewish Prophets who used this law against their enemies.

If it is proven that Jews did indeed used this law against their enemies, then there is no reason whatsoever that they should complain if they are subjected to the same law themselves.

Details of Jew's Law of War is mentioned in Deut. Chapter 20 which says:


"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and work for you"

"If they refuse to make peace and engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to sword all the men in it. As for women and the children, an the livestock and every thing in it, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.… This is how you treat all the cities that are at a distance to you and do not belong to nations nearby"

"However in the cities of Nation that Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them….for HITTITES, AMORITS, CANNANITES, PERIZZITES, HIVITES, and JEBUSITES, as the Lord your God has commanded you" (Deut. 20 V 10-19)

Very TOUGH and Clear verses, don’t you say!!

5. Was this Jewish Law of war used by any Prophet of God?

No one should think that this law was only in the "stature books" and was NEVER used by Jews against their enemies. We find prophets of Jews using this law in their times against their enemies a number of time.

Let us see some examples:

a. Moses and his fight with MIDINITES:

In the book of Numbers chapter 31, we see Moses taking revenge against the Tribe of MIDINITES (under Close watch of YHWH) let us read some thing from it:

"The Lord said to Moses "take vengeance on the MIDINITES … they fought against the MIDINITES (12000 Israeli force, 1000 from each tribe - MUQ) as the Lord Commanded Moses and killed every man… and Israeli captured women and children and took all their herds, flocks and goods as plunder…

"Moses was angry with the officers of army, "Have you allowed all the women to live?.... Now kill all the boys and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man (How soon these Jews forgot how were they treated by the Pharaoh and his people? It was their FIRST Generation who escaped from the punishment , now they want to do the same with their enemies- MUQ)

And do you know how many people were killed in one single battle? Just imagine, what is the percentage of women who have NEVER slept with a man in any society?(i.e. women between the age of 1-17?)….10 %?

"And they found 32,000 Women who had never slept with a man" (Num. Ch. 31:35)

So number of humans killed in One Single war of Moses against the TRIBE of MIDIANITE was close to 300,000 !!(If we assume that figures given in Bible are accurate- MUQ)

Compare this with total casualties during the life time of our prophet do not even reach 1000 (on both sides), and 400 of which were from this single incident of BANI QURAIZAH, otherwise it would be much lower.

And yet, these Jews have temerity to accuse our prophet of using sword to propagate his faith.

And Moses did not controlled this single fight, he sent his armies again and again and only God knows how many humans they killed in those campaigns.

And mind you, they NEVER gave the chance for these people to come and accept the religion of Jews!! There was no respite given to them except, God has given this land as our Inheritance, you MUST vacate it or get killed.


(Contd.)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122191862
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#49468 Feb 20, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, as soon as I shift to the new apartment.
But, my live-in relationship with Rachel - a Buju - will be platonic since despite quitting the integral yoga in Dec 2012 on account of extremely intense and continuous life threatening attacks from the adverse forces, the yogic experiences are spontaneously continuing and so this exalted condition requires celibacy and conservation of energies.
If I enter into a sexual relationship with her, then, one of the major objectives of the supramental descent into my being which is the abolition of the sex urge would be defeated and would result in damage to my nervous system and it would also dislocate the concentricizing planes and parts of my being around the supramental principle that would unhinge my mind-matter balance.
Joel---But, my live-in relationship with Rachel - a Buju - will be platonic since despite quitting the integral yoga in Dec 2012 ...

HughBe--- Congratulations, on the first step.

Joel---If I enter into a sexual relationship with her, then, one of the major objectives of the supramental descent into my being which is the abolition of the sex urge would be defeated.....

HughBe--- Don't have sex with her, tell her to sit on your face that is not sex, just ask Billy i.e. one of the few American Presidents that I admire and like.

After the first SITTING you shall be ok and you shall know what to do next.

Best of luck

Dearest Hugh.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#49469 Feb 20, 2013
Joel---If the spontaneous yoga experiences cease then we can think of making the relationship physical.

HughBe--- You have my full support and approval

Joel--- Let's see how things work out. Both of us want peace and happiness - rarities in our lives especially mine.

HughBe--- For years I have been telling you to get a lovely lady in body and mind and one who truly loves you. I am glad that finally things are happening. Once you are convinced of her love for you, marry her and live happily ever after.

Don't forget to F her.

Much love

Hugh
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#49470 Feb 20, 2013
OMG, Hugh.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49471 Feb 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Alligators in Your Backyard
Thanks to climate change, the cold-blooded giants are lurching north.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_scie...
rabbee: no all-hgators, in my front or back yard please. and all-hgators, are not match for their crock or peeranahs.

for without G-D, actually here in TheTorah Happening. your going to think, like an animal. and i fear, that G-D hates most talking critters without HIM truly.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49472 Feb 20, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
Our Prophet and Jews of Bani QURAIZAH:
I received only one answer to my first part of the post dealing with this subject, and I would answer it before my next installment.
01. Our Prophet was not "only a prophet" in the sense of Jews. He was charged with "mission to establish the Kingdom of heaven". He was both a Prophet and Ruler, so he acted as Head of Muslims and Jews of Madina as another party to the fact.
Why only the Jews of Medina were folls? I say all Jews were fools for past many centuries!!
If they would have accepted the message of Jesus, they would have been ruling the whole world by now.
And if they would have accepted the message of our prophet, they would have been ruling the whole of Palestine for past 1400 years.
But they "choose" to live in the "narrow pond" of their racism and their elders and that is what they are paying for past 2000 years and for past 60 odd years ruling a "part of Palestine" only with the help and support of their "Christian brothers".
02. Our records show that Jews broke the pact. If you have any evidence of the contrary, bring it forward. Just your "wishing and assumptions" shall not become facts.
03. Our prophet as "Head of Muslim nation" had every authority to punish people who broke the treaty.
"Only" problem with our prophet was that "he was too kind hearted"!! If he was like Joshua or David or even like Moses, he would have got all of them killed or banished at the "first sign of trouble".
04. Our prophet "did make pacts with other jewish tribes living outside Madina provided they paid Tribute" it is true.
But that happened after Jews of Madina were dealt with. It happened in year 6 AH after KHAIBAR was conquered.
Madina became "Jew free" in year 5 AH , All Praise to Allah.
05. If our prophet was a "merciless killer" as you said , he would have done to these Jews what "Moses did to those Midianites" or What Joshua did to Jericho!!
Why do you not look at your own record before laying allegation on others?
rabbee: are you only making, untrue all-hgations again here in TheTorah Happening. nor does your post, truly distinguish the difference between murder and killing. any death that is the result of not being true to G-D, here in TheTorah Happening is considered murder, robbery, kidnapping...

all death from the commands of alleged as men, not really true to G-D is murder, robbery, kidnapping. and any one who approves of this, is guilty of murder, robbery, kidnapping.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#49473 Feb 20, 2013
JOEL wrote:
OMG, Hugh.
Show the lady the video and tell her it is dedicated to her and of course it is from YOU and not Hugh.

rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#49474 Feb 20, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
We're trying to stabilize our lives in many ways by living together since we're so very compatible in most ways. Let's see how it goes.
rabbee: the more the house is divided, the less peace shall you have. even the division of countries, insures the lack of peace in the world. when even the term - united nations insures dis-unity failure. you cannot sustain, any division away from G-D peacfully.

i an not here, to support worldly divisions against G-D. i am here to advice and counsel you, on how to unify as One with G-D.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#49475 Feb 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Show the lady the video and tell her it is dedicated to her and of course it is from YOU and not Hugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =q-a2nw1tCTMXX
Can you recommend anything with farm animals?
Voluntarist

United States

#49476 Feb 20, 2013
An article on Infowars.com by Paul
Joseph Watson brought up a rather
unsettling issue; there’s a company
producing and selling targets for law
enforcement use, or, I suppose, anyone
else, depicting what they call “non
traditional threats”.
“The targets include “pregnant woman
threat,”“older man with shotgun,”
“older man in home with shotgun,”
“older woman with gun,”“young
school aged girl,”“young mother on
playground,” and “little boy with real
gun.”
Why are top training target suppliers
for the government supplying the likes
of the DHS with “non-traditional
threat” targets of children, pregnant
women, mothers in playgrounds, and
elderly American gun owners unless
there is a demand for such items ?”
Let that settle in for a moment; what
kind of sick mind comes up with a
product like that? Maybe it’s the
natural progression, a downward
spiral of perversion, the result of years
of video games depicting human forms
being destroyed by a variety of
weapons.
Law enforcement officers train for the
‘what if scenarios’; robbers, burglars
or just ‘bad guys’ in general. While it
is possible to run up against other
situations where extreme violence
must be confronted, why train police
officers or DHS goons,(is that a
derogatory assessment?) to shoot a
pregnant lady holding a gun, an old
man with a shotgun inside his house or
a young mother on a playground?
What does it say about the mindset of
an entire police department that
trains for such an event…trains for it
as if it were a common every day
event rather than the exception which
might happen once in a ‘blue moon’.
http://www.themoralliberal.com/2013/02/20/sta...

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