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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#48197 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---why are you so anti-Evangelical Christians?
Are they against Jews?
Are they against your religion Judaism?
Frijoles---because they are against me
yes
yes
HughBe--- I believe that your rabbis should publicly declare this view so that the evangelicals can know that they are against you and them.
Read the 3 quotes below they are taken from the Jerusalem Post. Read the entire thing, Judahite.
"Israel’s greatest asset and best friend By EARL COX07/12/2012"
" Evangelicals use their political, financial and spiritual leverage to help Israel withstand whatever attack might come next."
"In recent years, however, a groundswell of support for Israel has arisen, creating a new and powerful friend for Israel in the form of Evangelical Christians. From all over the world these Evangelical Christian believers, including many Americans, are proud to be labeled as “Christian Zionists.”"
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributor...
"...Despite their support for Israel, many Jews however, are uncomfortable with Christian Zionists. This discomfort is fed by Christian anti-Semitism, Christian replacement theology, evangelical proselytizing, and and disagreements over domestic and political issues...

...Aside from anti-Semitism and Christian replacement theology, many Jews are wary of the fact that many evangelical Christians simply want to convert them to Christianity or speed up the Second Coming of Christ....

...Christian Zionists are also more conservative on Israel than many Jews. They favor Israel maintaining all of its settlements in the West Bank, and were opposed to the Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip. Some prominent Christian Zionists have been highly critical of Israeli government policy of giving over parts of Israel to the Palestinian people....

.... Conservative Christians, in general, are viewed as particularly influential with the Bush Administration and Republican Congress, and Christian Zionists are consequently viewed as also having greater access to decisionmakers. It is not clear, however, that pro-Israel Christians have exerted decisive influence on any significant decisions and their clout is expected to decline if Democrats regain the White House and/or the majority in Congress...."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Z...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#48198 Jan 30, 2013
HUGHBE

as usual you are wading in waters that demonstrate that you are out of your league
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48199 Jan 30, 2013
A POWERFUL & SPONTANEOUS YOGIC EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCED AN HOUR AGO:

1) I have quit the integral yoga since a month and am not in contact with my guru and have stopped meditating on the unified supramental mantra.

2) However, the supramental mantra has taken deep root in my being over the years and keeps vibrating spontaneously - at times with lesser intensity, at other times more powerfully - with the result that the supramental force is always in and on me.

3) An hour ago as I lay resting in bed during my customary half-an break that I indulge in everyday, my consciousness suddenly opened up and I was bathed in a cosmic sea of the deepest golden hue of a powerful supramental light. The pulsations were so powerful and the golden beams so dazzling that my entire being shook with the experience.

4) I stayed in that subtle state for a few minutes after which the experience receded and I came back to the outer consciousness but the effect of coming into direct contact with the supramental force still lingers in my being and my mind, vital and body cells are vibrating at a very high rate and am feeling as if I am walking on air and a more intense gold light than ever before is radiating from my body.

5) The unified supramental consciousness-energy is taking deeper root in my being as it seeks to transform it further and totally convert it into its own essence.

6) I am making no effort at all as I fear fresh attacks from the adverse vital forces. The attacks were so severe and became so life-threatening in Dec 2012 that I was forced to quit the integral yoga. Well, I am neutral and on the sidelines and will have nothing to do with the integral yoga though the higher experiences are still continuing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48200 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You can skeez over it whatever way you want but the fact is that Jewish people dont accept Jesus as their personal saviors. That is Christianity, not Judaism.
Frijoles---Jewish people dont accept Jesus as their personal saviors. That is Christianity, not Judaism.

HughBe--- It certainly is Christianity and not Judaism, so you are correct, for a change. However, I am still trying to understand how YOUR Satan became so dominant within you.

To say that Jewish people don't accept Jesus and to imply that they accept your religion is BS.

Learn and understand these facts.

1. Some Jewish people accept Jesus, the Jew, as their Messiah.
2. Many Jewish people embrace Judaism
3. Many Jewish people REJECT Judaism and I suspect that in the main the greater intelligence is in this group as opposed to your group/Judaism.
4. A significant number of Jews are into Easter religion and NOT Judaism.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48201 Jan 30, 2013
The spontaneous yogic experience of an hour ago has caused my entire being to pulsate with the supramental force - the pulsations are really very powerful till now - and the golden light radiating from my body is strong enough to be visibly seen (in fact it is more visible than ever before). I am absorbing the impact. If the effect deepens, I'll enter spontaneous trance and will be unable to move out of my apartment for days. Let me find out.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48202 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
HUGHBE
as usual you are wading in waters that demonstrate that you are out of your league
Until now, I did not realize how deficient your understanding skills were. Get help in understanding the following and get back to me and EXPLAIN the meanings.

1."Israel’s greatest asset and best friend By EARL COX"

Help: explain what is meant by GREATEST ASSETS.Note it is speaking about the same evangelicals that are against you and your masters.

2. " Evangelicals use their political, financial and spiritual leverage to help Israel withstand whatever attack might come next."
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48203 Jan 30, 2013
On my part, I am neutral and have quit the integral yoga a month ago on account of tremendous difficulties encountered that became seriously life-threatening....I'll rather stay out of the integral yoga than become the special target of the most vicious attacks imaginable.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48204 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and there are many Jews, myself included who are uncomfortable with some of the more right wing elements of the Christian support. Its for the WRONG reasons. Those people are bad news- they are bad news for Israel, and more importantly, bad news for my country (USA).
Shocking isnt it?
Frijoles---Shocking isnt it?

HughBe--- quantify the "many Jews". Why not REJECT the support? Is Israel being FORCED to accept its GREATEST ASSET?

Explain the meaning of GREATEST ASSET.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#48205 Jan 30, 2013
DIRECT EXPERIENCE is everything, beliefs and rituals count for nothing.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48206 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
"...Despite their support for Israel, many Jews however, are uncomfortable with Christian Zionists. This discomfort is fed by Christian anti-Semitism, Christian replacement theology, evangelical proselytizing, and and disagreements over domestic and political issues...
...Aside from anti-Semitism and Christian replacement theology, many Jews are wary of the fact that many evangelical Christians simply want to convert them to Christianity or speed up the Second Coming of Christ....
...Christian Zionists are also more conservative on Israel than many Jews. They favor Israel maintaining all of its settlements in the West Bank, and were opposed to the Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip. Some prominent Christian Zionists have been highly critical of Israeli government policy of giving over parts of Israel to the Palestinian people....
.... Conservative Christians, in general, are viewed as particularly influential with the Bush Administration and Republican Congress, and Christian Zionists are consequently viewed as also having greater access to decisionmakers. It is not clear, however, that pro-Israel Christians have exerted decisive influence on any significant decisions and their clout is expected to decline if Democrats regain the White House and/or the majority in Congress...."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Z...
Frijoles---Despite their support for Israel, many Jews however, are uncomfortable with Christian Zionists. This discomfort is fed by Christian anti-Semitism, Christian replacement theology, evangelical proselytizing, and and disagreements over domestic and political issues.

HughBe--- Reconcile their support with THEM being anti-Semitic. Is it that you are NOT understanding what you are reading as usual?

Reconcile Jerusalem Post calling them Evangelicals Israel's GREATEST ASSETS with them being anti-Semitic.

In your world of LUNACY you consider your assets as being against you, WHY?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48207 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles, more help: "Without the Evangelical Christian community standing in the breach with both prayer and action, the United States may have entered a free-fall in its foreign policy that would have ended in a far more hostile environment for Israel."

explain the quote.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48208 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles, EXPLAIN and reconcile with your charge of anti-Semitic.

"The longstanding tradition of the US being Israel’s closest ally is arguably being dismantled by policies detrimental to Israel. But there is one ally that is steadfast... the Evangelical Christian."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48209 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles, EXPLAIN and reconcile with your charge of anti-Semitic.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributor...

All quotes are from the Jerusalem Post. Note, I did NOT write the article.

"Many Evangelical Christian organizations in Israel, with support from Evangelical Christians around the world, are providing food and other assistance to thousands of Israeli immigrants and poor families."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48210 Jan 30, 2013
Frijoles, what you have demonstrated once again is that your religion teaches HATE.

Certainly the Jew who wrote the article in the Jerusalem Post is NOT a member of Judaism. How do I know this? It is a HONEST report. Had he been a blind DUMB sheep like you he would NEVER have written it.

God BLESS him ABUNDANTLY.

Finally, intelligence have REJECTED your religion. Only the deceived remain with it.

How long will the deception last?

Time will tell.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#48211 Jan 30, 2013
Once again I have dropped the N from EasterN Religions.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#48212 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>Justsay--Because they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.

HughBe--- Not ALL hold such a view.

Are you saying that BIOLOGICAL Jews who are a part of that movement are not Jews? I ask because they certainly don't share the views of members of Judaism.

Again HISTORICALLY Christianity was regarded as a BRANCH of Judaism and so when you say "I can completely understand why Jews don't see Messianic Judaism as actual Judaism." you need to keep the FACTS of history in mind. Put it this way, Jews regarded it as a part of Judaism. Why? JEWS started Christianity.

3. Again, the rabbis of Judaism have a habit of redefining concepts to fit their agenda.
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew. However, Judaism as a religion does not regard Jesus as the Messiah. As I said earlier, they are still waiting for Messiah to return. Messianic Jews believe in Jesus as the Messiah. As confirmed by an actual Jew earlier (scroll up), it's not viewed as a branch of Judaism by those who actually practice the religion. However, I'm NOT a Jew so perhaps you should go ask one. I'm simply going by what I've read and what I've been told. Also I'm well aware of which Tree my branch of faith has grown from. I really don't need you to educate me on that fact.
Clear

United States

#48213 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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MUQ---Messianic Jews, if they are really what they claim to be, are the True Jews and the True Christians too.
HughBe---Correct i.e. true Spiritually and true physically the others are true physically.
This is a wise statement,from a Spiritual mind written physically :)
Clear

United States

#48214 Jan 30, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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MUQ---God sees what is inside your hearts and not what your lips speak.
HughBe--- Correct, MUQ. The lips DECEIVE and LIE.
Do the lips work for the heart or can anyone know it?
Clear

United States

#48215 Jan 30, 2013
JOEL wrote:
DIRECT EXPERIENCE is everything, beliefs and rituals count for nothing.
Very true!

Direct Spiritual experiences often lead to physical rituals and actions, but physical rituals rarely lead to Direct Spiritual experieces.
former res

Broomall, PA

#48217 Jan 30, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Liberals that favor abortions are also violent.
I never heard of a liberal (or anyone for that matter) who "favors abortions."
I do support a woman's right to choose however (though not absolute).
Like most Americans, I am somewhere in the middle (to left).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

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