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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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SamBee

Orlando, FL

#47360 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Um...my musket no longer desires powder, my horse no longer is hitched to the front door, and except for Hughbe, I own no black slaves...
Also, my government has better toys to keep track of me.
Come now, your argument is beyond the beyond of preposterous...
Your dumber than I thought you were next you'll be taking the mark of the beast.The governments (Kingdoms) of this world are under Ha Satan's control,man I forgot your one of his children.

Since: Aug 11

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#47361 Jan 18, 2013
Is it a full moon today?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#47362 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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my dear rabbee - you have many challenges (as we all do) but I dont believe that paranoia is one them. You can take that on faith.
rabbee: well your probably right, when there are more than six billion nobodies out to get me. amazing with all the times before, G-D has given TheTorah. with more than six billion nobodies, ever expecting to actually see me ever again. even if 52 weaks, a year keep on repeating. week after week, repeatedly so weakly done.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#47363 Jan 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
Is it a full moon today?
These responses arent any worse that any other day.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#47364 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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These responses arent any worse that any other day.
Sad, but true.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47373 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Um...my musket no longer desires powder, my horse no longer is hitched to the front door, and except for Hughbe, I own no black slaves...
Also, my government has better toys to keep track of me.
Come now, your argument is beyond the beyond of preposterous...
Frijoles--- except for Hughbe, I own no black slaves..

HughBe--- Apparently you have forgotten who is who so let me remind you, I am Master and you are my boy but Eric's man.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47374 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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HUGHBE,
it is also common knowledge among the Jews that you are a turd.
(that is, an anti-semetic Jewish turd)
Jew HATER, get behind me but not to fulfill your heart's desire.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47376 Jan 18, 2013
former res wrote:
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" I am unable to relate to the many."
This sounds very elitist.
I don't believe your god would approve.
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Many Jamaicans speak this way.
Do you know any Rastafarians by chance?
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"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]"
HughBe-- I am unable to relate to the many.

Former---This sounds very elitist.

HughBe-- regardless of sounds, the reality is, it is factual.

Former--I don't believe your god would approve.

HughBe--- I approve and so my god approves.

HughBe--- disappointed in you. I'm NOT into pretense.

Former--Many Jamaicans speak this way.

HughBe--- That means that Jamaicans are straightforward people.

Former---Do you know any Rastafarians by chance?

HughBe--- Not by chance. I know many.

Former--As long as you don't say altar boys/cub scouts/ etc.

HughBe--- truly a list of those who excite Frijoles and NOT me.

Former--"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.[1]"

HughBe--- In relation to me and the given context pure CS
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47377 Jan 18, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Paranoia [&#716;pær&#601;&# 712;n&#596;&#618;. &#601;](adjective: paranoid
[&#712;pær&#601;.n &#596;&#618;d]) is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion.
Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself.(e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.")
Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia.
For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional.
Frijoles--Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself.(e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.")

HughBe--- Think on your words above.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#47382 Jan 18, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Yes I do know science changes its theories all the time.
Plus anyone can take bible verses out of context, or address them to groups or individuals they were never intended for. "Preachers " do it all the time.
When a bone is dug up, you can say for certain that something died.
Science changes it theories when there is a valid reason to do so. This requires objectively testable evidence. Note that VERY important word "objective" - the entire point to science (valid science, anyway) is that every scientist who looks at the data will be able to come to the same conclusion.

When a bone is dug up, you can indeed say for certain that something died. And if you are well educated in the topic, you can identify the animal that died, and the bone and other evidence can tell you when the animal died, how old it was, its health, and many other factors as well.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#47383 Jan 18, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I'm not aware of anyone branding handguns unlawful. Let's stick to the facts. The proposed restrictions are on assault weapons and high capacity magazines. As usual, your paranoia is getting the best of you.
There are idiots out there that want to go that far, make ALL firearms illegal except for those owned by the government. Of course, even assault weapons are protected under the 2nd amendment. So are machine guns and tanks, but we don't need to go into that just now...

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#47385 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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I see a pattern to your brilliance Maat.
FIRST example-
Maat---C14 is reliable upto 50,000 years
HughBe--- INCORRECT
Maat---As usual you missed the crucial word: reliable.
So none will doubt the findings.
HughBe--- And you made such a conclusion from the ONLY word that I used i.e. INCORRECT? If so, I regard it as brilliant, my dear Maat.
SECOND example--
Maat---Hughbe still hasnt lost his stupid.
How can you be so entirly blind and utterly dumb is still beyond me.
HughBe-- Has it ever occurred to you that my posts are influenced by what I have read and NOT on posts that I have NOT read?
As to your posts being influenced by what you have read or not.

Well frankly we've learned over the years that this is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to how you interpret information or to your answers.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#47387 Jan 18, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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As to your posts being influenced by what you have read or not.
Well frankly we've learned over the years that this is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to how you interpret information or to your answers.
You are always right, Ms. Maat. God bless you and keep you.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#47388 Jan 18, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Prove he is wrong.
Religion is a crazy thing. There are so many that say they have the truth, including the religion of evolution.
Yet none can be 100% proven to the masses. Most only know what they are taught.
I was not taught about God being real or not.
I was met by this God and given a choice -Heaven or Hell.
Thank God I had enough sense to go the right way.
All I can tell you, is that I had a wife who prayed for me for 14 years, and how I was lead to read a bible -not book of mormans or watch tower magazine, but the bible.
The more I read, the more it spoke to my whole life, and explained what happened to me that night.
I know I keep going back to that night, but when the greatest thing in the entire world happens to a person, they don't forget.
There is not enough proof for any religion.
Just within the "so called christian " faith.
Every thing under the sun, is disputted by different ones.
One says worship on sun
One on sat
Lords supper
Baptizms
You name it.
Scientist on both side of tbe isle fight over evolution v creation.
Both sides say they are the right ones.
One thing I know for certain, and not just a truth for me, but it applies to all.
With all of these folks saying they have the TRUTH!
they cannot all be right.
God changed everything within me, and as you know I'm nothing special at all. There are many things I can't explain. One is why He did what He did for a guy like me.
I don't need to respond anymore here. I've said what I came to say, so unless my mind changes I will leave you guys to your 50 dollar words.:)
That's not a slur by the way. Most on here are very very smart, but so was Solomon.
He was called the wisest man to ever live.
He was very educated, very wealthy, had enough women, that if he spent each day with a different one, it would be several years before the women got tbeir day again.
yet at the end -he counted it all dung.without God.
To die without God, is a horrible thing.
All I can say is whatever you trust in as truth, it should be without one doubt.
I have no doubt whatsoever about God being real.
God bless.
Do try to remember what I said about the difference between ignorance and stupidity.

There is no such thing as a "religion" of evolution. Evolution is OBJECTIVELY testable and observable. There is NO evidence contrary to the Theory of Evolution. None.

Some times, creationist liars will try and claim that some scientist or another disputes evolution, but they are always wrong in this. There are no life science scientists who deny evolution. And there is a reason for that. To be a scientist, one needs to learn to judge the evidence based on ONLY what the evidence shows, without trying to make it fit what the person believed before seeing the evidence.

There are many scientists of just about every faith, including xianity and is-lame. Science does not deny the Gods. Science only looks to see the naturalistic processes involved in this world without reference to ANY form of the supernatural.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#47392 Jan 18, 2013
SamBee wrote:
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Your dumber than I thought you were next you'll be taking the mark of the beast.The governments (Kingdoms) of this world are under Ha Satan's control,man I forgot your one of his children.
Full moon or not.
i would call this as a post exhibiting all the behaviours ascribed to the paranoid personality.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#47395 Jan 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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You are always right, Ms. Maat. God bless you and keep you.
Thanks for the subjective sentiment expressed.
May god cure your willfull illiteracy and keep it so.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#47396 Jan 18, 2013
SS wrote:
awww, struck a chord, did I? The Encyclopedia Britannica calls your Prophet a hero of some sort? That is your validation?

A man who married and sexually molested an 8-year old child. Muq, you are falling to pieces. You are doing that because you know good and well that your position is untenable. I never put my Prophet up against yours, you don't have one. You have a usurper, and you know it. Good luck on your journey, Muq, wherever it takes you.
Ans.

Not only Encyclopedia Britannica, in fact “Any one” who has studied the life of our prophet objectively and without bias has paid rich tribute to our prophet.

The list of his admirers is really big and Britannica is one of it.

Thomas Carlyle, Edward Gibbon, Michael H Hart, the list is unending.

Even his bitterest critics pay rich homage to the genius, humanity and sincerity of our prophet.

It is few people with really dark hearts and mind that talk about our prophet in that filthy and dirty tone which you have used.

Our prophet’s personality is much above that it would dent even by an iota from criticism of pygmies like you.

But it would cause you a lot of damage in this world and in the hereafter.

I would be very careful, if I were you!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#47397 Jan 18, 2013
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-40

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents fro m the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : HAMZA BIN A’MUTTALIB HASHMI, Uncle of Prophet

Early History:

HAMZA was one of the real uncles of prophet. He was almost of the same age as that of prophet. When he grew up, he became a very powerful and brave man in Makkah. He was well recognized and well respected in Makkah. He used to love the prophet very much.

When prophet declared his mission, HAMZA remained in doubt, he like Abu Talib, did not accept Islam, but he was always helping and supporting the prophet against his enemies.

He was fond of hunting and sued to go out of Makkah in the mornings on his horse, with his bow and arrows. He would return in the evenings, go to Kaaba, perform Tawaf and then enter his house. That was his daily routine.

How was he Slain:

One day, while HAMZA was out hunting, prophet went to Kaaba to perform Tawaf, there he met Abu JAHL, who started abusing him. Abu JAHL was an avowed enemy of Islam, and no good was expected from him, but on that day, he exceeded his own limit.

Prophet did not answer him, but came back with his eyes full of tears. One slave girl of HAMZA was watching all these and drinking every insult which Abu JHAL used against waiting. She sat on the way, from which HAMZA used to return.

When evensong came and HAMZA returned to Makkah, the girl told him about what had taken place and how much excess was done by Abu JAHL and how prophet had returned back without saying a word and his eyes full of tears.

HAMZA became very angry and went straight to Kaaba, where he found Abu JAHL sitting with some people. He straight went to him, hit him on the head with his bow and said “How dare you insult my nephew when I am still alive?” Abu JAHL saw anger and fury in his eyes and immediately tracked back and started saying soothing words.

In those he also said that “even you have not accepted his religion”. HAMZA in the heat of argument, said “If that is your point, then let me I tell you, I have also become his follower”. HAMZA went straight to prophet, told him about what he had said and said “But I am still not convinced in my heart”. Prophet prayed to Allah to stabilize his heart.

Next day, when HAMZA wake up from his sleep, all his doubts about Islam and prophet were washed away. He went back to prophet, re-declared his faith and become a True Follower of prophet. His addition to Muslims increased their standing and when Omar became Muslim a week or ten days later, Muslims became a formidable force in Makkah.

(Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#47398 Jan 18, 2013
Later life:

HAMZA remained with prophet in Makkah, and helped him and supported him at every juncture. He migrated to Madina and in the battle of Badr slain UTBAH and SHAIBAH in hand to hand combat at the beginning of Battle, he also killed MUT’IM BIN UDAI, one of the Chief of Makkah.

In the battle of UHUD, next year. He also killed many of the warriors of Makkan army, he was killed in the battle field in a most cowardly manner. After he was dead, his body was mutilated, women of Makkah (lead by HIND, daughter of UTBAH and wife of Abu SUFYAN) cut his nose and ears, slit open his chest and removed his liver and kidney and chew on it.

When prophet saw the condition of body of his Uncle and Great Warrior of Islam in this condition, he was extremely pained.(He later pardoned Abu SUFYAN and HIND, but that is another story). He also said “If I was not fearing about the sentiments of SUFIA (HAMZA ‘ s Sister), or that it would be taken as a practice, I would leave the body of HAMZA in the same state, till crows and vultures ate him and then on the day of judgment, he would be resurrected from their bellies……and I would mutilate 70 of the Makkan ‘s slain. But a revelation from Allah prevented the prophet from retaliating like that

HAMZA with other martyrs of UHUD was buried on the side of battle field. Prophet led his funeral prayers, and he used to place his body along side every group of Martyrs whose bodies came before him for leading burial prayers. In this way the prophet performed 13 or 14 Burial prayers of his beloved and brave uncle HAMZA!!

Such was the wonderful story of HAMZA, the Uncle of prophet, who was “injured” by the “sword of kinship” but was fully “killed and enslaved” by the “Sword of prayer and Love” which Prophet wielded in abundance!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#47401 Jan 18, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
Not only Encyclopedia Britannica, in fact “Any one” who has studied the life of our prophet objectively and without bias has paid rich tribute to our prophet.
The list of his admirers is really big and Britannica is one of it.
Thomas Carlyle, Edward Gibbon, Michael H Hart, the list is unending.
Even his bitterest critics pay rich homage to the genius, humanity and sincerity of our prophet.
It is few people with really dark hearts and mind that talk about our prophet in that filthy and dirty tone which you have used.
Our prophet’s personality is much above that it would dent even by an iota from criticism of pygmies like you.
But it would cause you a lot of damage in this world and in the hereafter.
I would be very careful, if I were you!!
awww, look at you fawn and cite Gibbon's admiration of your prophet as though you are worldly. Gibbon was an IDIOT. That has been proven by far greater minds than you or I. Why should I be careful, Muq? You don't like what your own little Hadith's say about Muhammed and his relationship with his child-bride? Shall we discuss the thighing of Aisha? It is you, Muq, and not I, who should be very careful in this world and fearful of the next. I am thankful to God that the society I exist in abhors the kind of behavior exhibited in a grown man and deems it criminal that your societies revere as somehow "holy." Why should I be careful, Muq? Because I see you and all your ilk for exactly what you are? Those who would revere and esteem a maniac who personally beheaded many, many people, made it his personal mission to exterminate the Jewish tribes in Arabia, and took an 8-year old child for a wife as some sort of inspired person or "Prophet" of God? Maybe it is you who should be very careful, Muq. Maybe it is YOU who should consider how life can be problematic for you in both the here and the here-after. Because if you find that sort of behavior anything short of psychotic and perverted, something is wrong with you, boy. You don't emulate that life. You don't put that life on a pedastal and say it is the ideal. You don't insult God by seeking to craft both individual lives and entire nation-states around THAT life by calling it "Holy," because it is NOT. It's funny. At times it almost seems like you have a brain in that empty head somewhere, you've at least been taught to read, that much is obvious. But not to think, not to reason, not to ever examine your own faith and see where it fails and where it gains strength. YOU be careful, Muq. VERY careful. Wrong man to threaten, boy. I was gonna leave, this thread had gotten slow, anyway. Now I'm staying. Why should I be careful, again?

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