Episcopal church to become Catholic

Feb 20, 2013 Full story: ABC2 Maryland 60

St. Timothy's Episcopal Church in Catonsville is now Catholic.

Members of St. Timothy's voted on Feb. 10 whether to leave The Episcopal Church and whether to enter the Ordinariate. Eighty of 100 parishioners were present; 55 were voting members. Of the voting members, six people abstained; 83 percent elected to leave The Episcopal Church and 76 percent to enter the Ordinariate ... Full Story

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#21 Feb 26, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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You'll get a better look at Dan's eyes after the beam is removed from your's.
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You mean, like, from a "book"?
Yeah.

The same book people used to punish one who healed another on the Sabbath.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#22 Feb 26, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Yeah.
The same book people used to punish one who healed another on the Sabbath.
No, its not the same book; the hundreds of laws the pharisees developed are not in the Bible.

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#23 Feb 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Simply noting which authority you seem to hold inviolate and absolute and to what degree.
Respective to property and assets, you accept civil law as authoritative without one moment's hesitation nor question, even as it relates to rupture in your church.
When your TEC fellows here with whom you disagree mention scripture, you will undertake any length of discussion to let them know that it's ever-changing and you and others will actually rebuke them for their efforts to hew to it as an absolute authority.
That's how it looks to this outsider, anyway.
I don't see you as an outsider, Dan.

A frequent contrarian, perhaps, but not an outsider.

You like to take issue with me and poke and prod, sometimes with good reason. But, you are certainly not an outsider, unless that is what you actually want to be.

These threads and the conversations on them are cross-linked with other Forums to a degree that we have no control over and to an extent that I don't know. So, something gets written that ends up in places and elicits responses from unexpected angles. But, it is your and my choice to read and post.

So, to the extent that you post, you become a participant in the conversation as a matter of your own volition. That makes you not an outsider. On the other hand, Yes. You are right about some of us in these conversations generally looking to find agreement with each other. I post in The Episcopal Church Forum.

But, that doesn't mean we are always supposed to agree. Likewise, you often post looking for contrasting opinions and probing for disagreement. But, that doesn't mean we always disagree, either.

My recollection is that you generally take a point of view that aligns with what might be a Roman Catholic view. But, I don't think I've ever actually read that from you. If it is true, we certainly do have some areas of agreement and disagreement.

You know that I think that the Roman priesthood "Vow of Celibacy" is a cause of many of their problems. They do have problems. Serious problems. But, they also do a whole lot of good.

You know that I enthusiastically endorse the ordination of women to the Diaconate and into authority as priests and bishops. I think they are terrific and fully capable in these offices. Can or do they make mistakes? Sure. The men do, too.

You know that I value Holy Scripture, both in the many versions of translations of the canonical Bible and Apocrypha and also in many other texts, including the recently discovered and newly translated. Moreover, I expect that as time goes by, more texts will be found and revealed that will give us an even better understanding of the minds and hearts of the Jews and Christians who founded our Church.

Some of these opinions and viewpoints that I and others may have are ideas and concepts with which you don't presently and may never agree. But, if we are willing, that makes for exchanges of views and an opportunity to see how the other guy or gal sees things.

A person's views have both aspects of subjectivity and objectivity, being compounded through comprehension, memory, tradition and experience. And even very probably, revelation. The real question for each of us is a matter of how and where to seek value and understanding that allows for centering and growth.

So, you're not an outsider. You're just disagreeable, sometimes. Probably, you could say the same of me.

In the meantime, we both have the good fortune to be able to practice being receptive to the Holy Spirit. As you know, this takes guts, patience, remembrance, faith and a willingness to admit that one's own views may not be quite right.

So, here's to more Light for both of us.

Rev. Ken

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#24 Feb 26, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, its not the same book; the hundreds of laws the pharisees developed are not in the Bible.
LOL!!!....

Well, if that is so,....

Exactly what "book" were you making inference to in YOUR post #20, to which I replied, if not the "book" you have referred to above?

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#25 Feb 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Simply noting which authority you seem to hold inviolate and absolute and to what degree.
Respective to property and assets, you accept civil law as authoritative without one moment's hesitation nor question, even as it relates to rupture in your church.
...
Now there, you are attempting to micharacterize.

Yes, real property rights fall under the authority of the States and the Courts through their bodies of statutory and common Law. Where appropriate, disputes go through the Appellate systems and even to the SCOTUS.

But, I don't say or have ever implied that such Courts can undo or heal or decide on any rupture in any Church.

In fact, the Constitution specifically requires the Courts to avoid impinging upon religious freedom. That is intended to be within the realm of matters of personal conscience.

But, just as in the human being, there is a zone of transition between the subjective and objective. So, likewise, is there an interface where such issues of conscience can be used to impinge upon real property rights and the conduct of civil lawfulness?

Sure.

For example, do the Westboro Baptists have the unfettered right to interfere with the funerals of soldiers who have served and died fighting in foreign campaigns?

Rev. Ken
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#26 Feb 26, 2013
No wonder this world is misled into the inevitable destruction it faces any time soon.
2Peter 3:11,12

To believe that God would have any contact with a false religion, especially one that adopts the standing of infalibility as the false Catholic religion.
Revelation 18:4

You are so misled to believe that you can pollute the Bible Scriptures to suit your understanding, you are so guilty of the unforgivable sin, you Episcopalians are suffering the plagues today, and you deserve everything that is going to happen to your Episcopal religion.
Revelation 16:9

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#27 Feb 27, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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No, its not the same book; the hundreds of laws the pharisees developed are not in the Bible.
Just like the roman Pharisees of today.

Still wearing blended fabric?

Abomination.......

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#28 Feb 27, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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LOL!!!....
Well, if that is so,....
Exactly what "book" were you making inference to in YOUR post #20, to which I replied, if not the "book" you have referred to above?
He's backing himself in his favorite corner again....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#29 Feb 27, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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Just like the roman Pharisees of today ...
Weren't you one of them when you attended roman seminary?
Ophilia Bitz

United States

#30 Feb 28, 2013
Why switch? Is it because the Episcopal church is mature enough accept gays and lesbians?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#31 Mar 5, 2013
Ophilia Bitz wrote:
Why switch? Is it because the Episcopal church is mature enough accept gays and lesbians?
And women....
The Oracle

UK

#32 Mar 8, 2013
Ophilia Bitz wrote:
Why switch? Is it because the Episcopal church is mature enough accept gays and lesbians?

The Episcopal Church is dying by the minute. That is it's motivation for enlisting perverts.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#33 Mar 8, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
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The Episcopal Church is dying by the minute. That is it's motivation for enlisting perverts.
Yawn......
The Oracle

UK

#34 Mar 9, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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Yawn......

With that attitude you could end up a Cardinal or a pedophile, or both.
The Oracle

UK

#35 Mar 9, 2013
A lesbian Cardinal, a female peophile. Change is the way forward in the alternative world of RC.

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#37 Mar 9, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
A lesbian Cardinal, a female peophile. Change is the way forward in the alternative world of RC.
LOL!!!....

Maybe in YOUR alternative world.

But, in mine, yes, the RCC does eventually get to have women in their priesthoods. But, they will eventually get control of the pedophiles, whether male or female, and take them out to dry.

Homosexuality within their priesthoods is a fact of life. This, they will not eliminate. All they can do is drive the reality back into the closet. It is at least partly a result of a forced vow of celibacy.

Better to acknowledge their homosexual priests and encourage them to get married and certainly many to each other. If they don't know what to do with them, send them to us and we will marry them and put them to work, on sabbatical with us, until settled in their ministry, before returning them to the RCC. Meanwhile, begin to encourage heterosexual married priests. Continue to allow the celibates. Just don't force it.

Rev. Ken

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#38 Mar 13, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
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With that attitude you could end up a Cardinal or a pedophile, or both.
I'm not roman and I'll have to say you're not either as you are clueless.

You really should know a little of what you're talking about.

TEC doesn't have red birds nor do we pretend that we need a 'vicar of Christ' on earth, arrogance at it's finest.

We know Jesus is alive.....

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#39 Mar 13, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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I'm not roman and I'll have to say you're not either as you are clueless.
You really should know a little of what you're talking about.
TEC doesn't have red birds nor do we pretend that we need a 'vicar of Christ' on earth, arrogance at it's finest.
We know Jesus is alive.....
Amen, Brother!
Pax et Bonum

Ravenna, OH

#40 Mar 13, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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I'm not roman and I'll have to say you're not either as you are clueless.
You really should know a little of what you're talking about.
TEC doesn't have red birds nor do we pretend that we need a 'vicar of Christ' on earth, arrogance at it's finest.
We know Jesus is alive.....
Is it really that necessary to be disrespectful of a faith community you do not belong to? That the TEC doesn't have cardinals or a pope is a reality. Catholics do not "pretend" we need a "vicar of Christ" yet we have one. It is not "arrogance" that this title is used but in humility we realize we need a physical leader and that he should as much as humanly possible lead as Jesus would if He were physically here. We Catholics know Jesus is alive. What would be the point of following Him if He were not? Jesus prayed that we would be one. That we aren't is something we all need to pray about, talk to each other about and do all we can to find whatever oneness the Holy Spirit may lead us to in Christ.

“Plays well with others.”

Since: Jun 07

LIVING WELL*THE BEST REVENGE

#41 Mar 13, 2013
Pax et Bonum wrote:
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Is it really that necessary to be disrespectful of a faith community you do not belong to? That the TEC doesn't have cardinals or a pope is a reality. Catholics do not "pretend" we need a "vicar of Christ" yet we have one. It is not "arrogance" that this title is used but in humility we realize we need a physical leader and that he should as much as humanly possible lead as Jesus would if He were physically here. We Catholics know Jesus is alive. What would be the point of following Him if He were not? Jesus prayed that we would be one. That we aren't is something we all need to pray about, talk to each other about and do all we can to find whatever oneness the Holy Spirit may lead us to in Christ.
Well if the Catholic Church allowed women to serve and stopped persecuting gays and promoted the use of condoms to prevent the spread of disease and unwanted pregnancies...then count me in as Catholic. Until then, I AM A PROUD EPISCOPALIAN!

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