Charter school fight over

Charter school fight over

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Confused

Spiceland, IN

#1 Dec 10, 2012
Why did the charter school re-zoning get denied? Just heard that is was "good news" that it is denied..dont' understand that as all parents need a choice for thier kids. Hopefully someone in this community that can afford it will donate property and or a building so this can happen.
Eagle

Barnesville, OH

#2 Dec 11, 2012
Have you done any research on charter schools? They operate for a profit and can keep any student out that doesn't fit in their group. I for one do not want my tax dollars going to a charter school.
Confused

Spiceland, IN

#3 Dec 11, 2012
Eagle wrote:
Have you done any research on charter schools? They operate for a profit and can keep any student out that doesn't fit in their group. I for one do not want my tax dollars going to a charter school.
I have not done research on charter schools, but don't see how another choice/option can be a problem. I don't want our taxes to raise either, I was understanding that the state would provide the same amount of money per child as the public schools get. Doesn't look like we will have to be concerned over it now, how could they get the bldg built and teachers trained by August.
wlky32

Scottsburg, IN

#4 Dec 12, 2012
Eagle wrote:
Have you done any research on charter schools? They operate for a profit and can keep any student out that doesn't fit in their group. I for one do not want my tax dollars going to a charter school.
Get on here and look at spelling. Our spelling is aweful (mine included) I graduated from SHS and am proud of it but I want better for my kids and my daughter would be better suited in a charter school that keeps out the flunkys and dope heads that only come to school to hang out.SO I do see alot of promise for Scott county if the charter school is a option for ALL KIDS THAT WANT TO BETTER EDUCATION
Upset Parent

Richmond, IN

#5 Dec 12, 2012
wlky32 wrote:
<quoted text>Get on here and look at spelling. Our spelling is aweful (mine included) I graduated from SHS and am proud of it but I want better for my kids and my daughter would be better suited in a charter school that keeps out the flunkys and dope heads that only come to school to hang out.SO I do see alot of promise for Scott county if the charter school is a option for ALL KIDS THAT WANT TO BETTER EDUCATION
Thank you so much for saying "a charter school that keeps out the flunkys and dope heads that only come to school to hang out." I'm glad you see that this charter school wants to turn away a lot of kids. I also want to point out that your comment is very far from the truth. The charter school is only for grades 1-8 if I'm not mistaking. So by your accounts, our public Elementary schools are full of dope head kids??? Really?? And I know that Scottsburg Middle School got the highest grade by the state in this area. So I guess my question is this....... if your daughter was in the Charter school (which they still have yet a place to build and people are still bouncing on and off their so called board) and once she finished 8th grade, wouldn't she be back in our public High School? So, how does this help? How does this equal our tax dollars going up? How does anything you said make sense? I respect peoples opinions, but lets have some common sense with it please!!!
good parent

Loogootee, IN

#6 Dec 12, 2012
wlky32 wrote:
<quoted text>Get on here and look at spelling. Our spelling is aweful (mine included) I graduated from SHS and am proud of it but I want better for my kids and my daughter would be better suited in a charter school that keeps out the flunkys and dope heads that only come to school to hang out.SO I do see alot of promise for Scott county if the charter school is a option for ALL KIDS THAT WANT TO BETTER EDUCATION
I totally agree--call them as we see them--children of dopeheads hold the entire class back because teachers have to teach down to their level and the heck with the kids that are thriving and want to move ahead..teachers don't have time for them..not their fault, just don't have the time. For the schools to so against bullying, why are the teachers bullying the charter school away! Going to all the meetings and pleading thier cases. Come on Charter and the good teachers..Mr Comer ws a great principal and will be a great charter school principal.grow up and let the charter come along.
wlky32

Scottsburg, IN

#7 Dec 12, 2012
By then they will have a high school program. If that does not happen I will send her to a private school in Louisville. Everyone needs to set their own and child goals higher and not accept low standards. I refuse to let these thiefs and pill popping dope heads bring my family down to their level. You can keep your child in scott county system if that works for you but dont hold my child back because you refuse to accept a great opportunity for our community. Respect my opion and I respect yours.
iknow

Scottsburg, IN

#8 Dec 12, 2012
Maybe the charter school backer's should come take a look at Austin.
Upset Parent

Richmond, IN

#9 Dec 12, 2012
good parent wrote:
<quoted text> I totally agree--call them as we see them--children of dopeheads hold the entire class back because teachers have to teach down to their level and the heck with the kids that are thriving and want to move ahead..teachers don't have time for them..not their fault, just don't have the time. For the schools to so against bullying, why are the teachers bullying the charter school away! Going to all the meetings and pleading thier cases. Come on Charter and the good teachers..Mr Comer ws a great principal and will be a great charter school principal.grow up and let the charter come along.
Mr. Comer backed out of Vienna, and now he has backed out of the Charter School, now working for Jennings Co. school district. Didn't know turning your back on two schools qualified you as a good principal and a leader.
Also, teachers are not bullying the charter school. If anyone is bullying, wouldn't it be the ones on here calling kids "dope heads" and "losers" in the classroom?? Wouldn't the bullies be the charter supporters that are bad mouthing the schools around here? I applaud the parents and business owners that are going about the charter proposal the right way. For the record, Terry Jones is the one that started the mud slinging. Wait, he backed out too. And didn't Mrs. West back off the board as well? Very nice lady. For what ever reasons, she felt it wasn't right to be on the board. But you don't hear her trashing everyone. Teachers are fighting to keep their jobs. Teachers are fighting to defend their work in their schools. Leave it to people in this community to take something that could be a good thing, if done the right way, and make it into a huge fight!!!!
Upset Parent

Richmond, IN

#10 Dec 12, 2012
wlky32 wrote:
By then they will have a high school program. If that does not happen I will send her to a private school in Louisville. Everyone needs to set their own and child goals higher and not accept low standards. I refuse to let these thiefs and pill popping dope heads bring my family down to their level. You can keep your child in scott county system if that works for you but dont hold my child back because you refuse to accept a great opportunity for our community. Respect my opion and I respect yours.
I respect your opinion and I applaud you for wanting whats best for your daughter. But if the school system in Austin and Scottsburg is so bad, why not go to Crothersville, Charlestown, Madison, Henryville, Salem, Silver Creek, Clarksville, New Albany, Jeffersonville or even Seymour. All of those are just as close as Louisville. Why wait for a Charter school??? That's what I don't understand about people that all of a sudden hate our public school systems. As a business owner, I hire lots of High School students in this town/city, and they do quite well. No matter where you go, you have to deal with things you don't agree with. PS: Louisville Public Schools.....have you seen the fights they have daily on zoning, who goes where and the crime around their schools. I'm guessing it won't take long to find something wrong down there as well. But honestly, I do applaud you for wanting what's best for your daughter. All good parents do!
positivie thinking

Sellersburg, IN

#11 Dec 12, 2012
wlky32 wrote:
By then they will have a high school program. If that does not happen I will send her to a private school in Louisville. Everyone needs to set their own and child goals higher and not accept low standards. I refuse to let these thiefs and pill popping dope heads bring my family down to their level. You can keep your child in scott county system if that works for you but dont hold my child back because you refuse to accept a great opportunity for our community. Respect my opion and I respect yours.
Excuse me for a minute. I have one child at Scottsburg High School that is a good student with good values that his parents gave him. Sure he's been subjected to some crazy things in school but I've had to trust God that he would veer away from the bad which I honestly believe he has. Kids are going to be the result of their parents. As long as their parents bring them up in a God fearing home they will be just fine. Think about it, if you keep your daughter away from reality how is she going to make it when she grows up and moves away. Drugs are everywhere and I mean everywhere that she would go. Even private schools have druggies, think about it they're the rich kids that can get money from mommy and daddy to get their drugs. Trust your child and she will be fine. My child has a great future and it's from good parents and good teachers who let him grow and do challenging work to become a good young adult. Have faith.
good parent

Spiceland, IN

#12 Dec 12, 2012
Upset Parent wrote:
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Mr. Comer backed out of Vienna, and now he has backed out of the Charter School, now working for Jennings Co. school district. Didn't know turning your back on two schools qualified you as a good principal and a leader.
Also, teachers are not bullying the charter school. If anyone is bullying, wouldn't it be the ones on here calling kids "dope heads" and "losers" in the classroom?? Wouldn't the bullies be the charter supporters that are bad mouthing the schools around here? I applaud the parents and business owners that are going about the charter proposal the right way. For the record, Terry Jones is the one that started the mud slinging. Wait, he backed out too. And didn't Mrs. West back off the board as well? Very nice lady. For what ever reasons, she felt it wasn't right to be on the board. But you don't hear her trashing everyone. Teachers are fighting to keep their jobs. Teachers are fighting to defend their work in their schools. Leave it to people in this community to take something that could be a good thing, if done the right way, and make it into a huge fight!!!!
Mr.Comer is rumored to return to the charter school next year after it is ready to start, his name is on the application and why would the state still provide the money to the charter if he didn't fulfill it? That would be misrepresentation wouldn't it? He didn't turn his back on Vienna, he wanted better for his kids and all kids. He was in a position to see and know things about schools that he didn't agree with or think was right. That is why so many parents are trusting him and his experience to make this a great opportunity for all our kids.
Upset Parent

Richmond, IN

#13 Dec 13, 2012
good parent wrote:
<quoted text> Mr.Com er is rumored to return to the charter school next year after it is ready to start, his name is on the application and why would the state still provide the money to the charter if he didn't fulfill it? That would be misrepresentation wouldn't it? He didn't turn his back on Vienna, he wanted better for his kids and all kids. He was in a position to see and know things about schools that he didn't agree with or think was right. That is why so many parents are trusting him and his experience to make this a great opportunity for all our kids.
Just for the record, there was over a handful of things on the application that was misleading, false or didn't exist, yet Tony Bennett still approved it earlier this year. So don't be fooled by the state still wanting to do things. The state has dug themselves a hole with this school. Lucky us as tax payers!!!!
Eagle

Barnesville, OH

#14 Dec 13, 2012
People please get the facts. The National Assessment Governing board released an analysis of Charter Schools performance.
1. Charter school students scored lower than students in traditional schools.
2. Students taught by uncertified teachers in many Charter Schools were significantly lower.
3.Accccountability is lacking in oversight for federal Charter School programs.
4. Charter schools segregate students along racial and class lines and they also fail to adequately serve students with disabilities.
5. These schools are for a profit.

If you want to send your child to a Charter school then you should have to pay for it. Tax dollars should go to public schools. If we continue down this path, then our country will be telling citizens who can get an education and who can't.

Why not put the money into public schools and make them better.
Huh

Windsor, WI

#15 Dec 14, 2012
Eagle wrote:
People please get the facts. The National Assessment Governing board released an analysis of Charter Schools performance.
1. Charter school students scored lower than students in traditional schools.
2. Students taught by uncertified teachers in many Charter Schools were significantly lower.
3.Accccountability is lacking in oversight for federal Charter School programs.
4. Charter schools segregate students along racial and class lines and they also fail to adequately serve students with disabilities.
5. These schools are for a profit.
If you want to send your child to a Charter school then you should have to pay for it. Tax dollars should go to public schools. If we continue down this path, then our country will be telling citizens who can get an education and who can't.
Why not put the money into public schools and make them better.
Billions have been poured into the public schools for decades, yet the performance of our students continues to decline year after year. Perhaps if we had teachers who were evaluated and compensated on performance and did away with tenure, we might see a difference. Of course, the standard NEA line is to blame poor parenting. They want act as if the quality of the teachers couldn't possibly have anything to do with a Childs academic performance. I know many teachers. Some are good, but many of them couldn't find their ass with both hands.
positivie thinking

Sellersburg, IN

#16 Dec 14, 2012
I wish many of these people that have posted on here putting down the public schools would take a good look at the work the high schoolers have to do today. I don't mean the low level work, I mean the high level work. I've been out of high school almost thirty years and graduated from SHS. The work today's students are given to do is on a much higher level than what my generation did and I challenge half of you to do it because you'd really find out how today's public schools are declining. They aren't, they are only getting better, it's the parenting that's declining. And yes I have an honor student in high school, so I know first hand they are challenged often.
Upset Parent

Richmond, IN

#17 Dec 14, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text> Billions have been poured into the public schools for decades, yet the performance of our students continues to decline year after year. Perhaps if we had teachers who were evaluated and compensated on performance and did away with tenure, we might see a difference. Of course, the standard NEA line is to blame poor parenting. They want act as if the quality of the teachers couldn't possibly have anything to do with a Childs academic performance. I know many teachers. Some are good, but many of them couldn't find their ass with both hands.
Teachers can only do so much. They can only work so much with a kid one on one. This is true in Public or Charter Schools. I know many kids who are lazy, don't want to be there and could care less. Sadly, most of their parents are the same way. How fair would that be for a teacher to lose pay, or even their job because a handful of students could give a crap??? Believe it or not, when you have a kid in Elementary School doing bad, yes, as a parent, you can stop that. Don't let them play baseball, don't let them have the Play Station, don't let them run the streets at night. Don't let them stay up til Midnight on a school night. Teach them respect, hard work and honesty. The public school systems are in trouble just like society. Why, because of people like you that would rather find a reason for someone to fail and blame them, instead of busting that kids butt and making them work and grow up to be productive citizens.
Eagle

Barnesville, OH

#18 Dec 14, 2012
Well said, parents need to step up and do their jobs. Everyone tends to blame teachers.
JES Parent

Thorntown, IN

#19 Dec 20, 2012
Starting a new school is NOT BLAMING teachers. I think everyone should be ashamed of themselves....it's a school people. It's not another liquor store or adult book store or another car lot, auto parts store or another fast food place. It's a place for educating our children. Get a grip all. Who wouldn't want more teachers and more schools in their area. It makes our community more appealing which means more business and people come here to shop at your shops and eat at your local restaurants and much more. It's a school it's not a house to worship the devil. Get out of your small town minds and grow a pair.
Upset Parent

Spiceland, IN

#20 Dec 20, 2012
JES Parent wrote:
Starting a new school is NOT BLAMING teachers. I think everyone should be ashamed of themselves....it's a school people. It's not another liquor store or adult book store or another car lot, auto parts store or another fast food place. It's a place for educating our children. Get a grip all. Who wouldn't want more teachers and more schools in their area. It makes our community more appealing which means more business and people come here to shop at your shops and eat at your local restaurants and much more. It's a school it's not a house to worship the devil. Get out of your small town minds and grow a pair.
You are completely wrong. It will not be good for the community. One existing school might have to close, we lose all of those workers who move elsewhere to get a job. We lose those tax dollars on top of spending more tax dollars to fund the Charter School. With less people here with jobs, LESS people go to the stores and local restaurants. It's not a small town mind, it's called knowing which straw will break the camels back. If it's such a great thing, why not make it a private school and allow who all wants to go and pay for it out of their pocket?? Within one county, we have 2 High Schools, 2 Middle Schools, 5 Elementary Schools and a few other school situations running. Scott County can't handle another school.

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