House passes Hawaii Superferry bill as is

Full story: The Honolulu Advertiser

Comment on this story Hawaii Superferry President and CEO John Garibaldi had said earlier in the week that reducing ferry speeds would be unacceptable.
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Concerned Resident

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Oct 27, 2007
 
Wow, I guess the separation of powers doesn't exist here. I wonder if we can get the State to undo other Supreme Court rulings.

What this says is having a court system here is merely a formality since the State can just legislate away whatever the courts rule. It also means the State can play favorites and pass laws just for certain parties.

Why doesn't the State try undo the anti-Hawaiian rulings which came down recently?

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#2
Oct 27, 2007
 
Concerned Resident, what you have forgotten is that what the Legislature is doing now (special session, etc.) is allowed under the Constitution of the State of Hawaii.

If you have an issue with the State Constitution, and want to have it amended to what you think should happen in cases such as this, you are more than welcome to contact your representatives directly.
Chang

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#3
Oct 27, 2007
 
The House passed the bill 37-9, a big majority of 4:1. The Morita amendment was rejected by 35-11.

Overall, Neighbor Island representatives voted 11-5 for the bill.
Big Island members voted 5-2 for as did one of the three from Kauai(Sagum)
Interestingly, the Maui delegation led by Joe Souki voted 5-1 for the bill.

These guys are all up for election next year so they wouldn't be voting this way if there wasn't popular support in their districts. Is there a pro-SF majority on the neighbour islands?

Since: Oct 07

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#4
Oct 27, 2007
 
Rep. Morita's futile effort was politics as usual. If she really wanted to do something her amendments should have been more practical. Slowing down the Superferry is not an option and she knows that. When the menu only has Chocolate and Strawberry, it's silly to keep asking for Pistachio. Better to ask for Chocolate with nuts and a cherry on top.

This was the same way the 29 proposals were taken and received. Rather than taking a stance to mitigate the bill in their favor, they arrogantly proposed things that would halt the service altogether. When you're in the minority you find ways to work with the majority. And when you win, it's not wise to taunt those you defeated. It just quickens their resolve.

As each chamber reads the other's bill, the drama will play out as who has the power trumps the others. This should be a bipartisan matter, but party politics is alive and well in the Hawaii Legislature. I have no doubt that the majority of the voters have directed their representatives to get the Superferry sailing. When you're negotiating you name your price and they name theirs. Then you find an agreement somewhere in-between.
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Oct 27, 2007
 
Concerned Resident wrote:
Wow, I guess the separation of powers doesn't exist here. I wonder if we can get the State to undo other Supreme Court rulings.
What this says is having a court system here is merely a formality since the State can just legislate away whatever the courts rule. It also means the State can play favorites and pass laws just for certain parties.
Why doesn't the State try undo the anti-Hawaiian rulings which came down recently?
Concerned, I assume your knowledge on the government system is not much, but maybe other people will tell you this. The legislature make the laws that the judges try to read and rule on them based on their state of mind at the time (Ask Judge Cardoza, in 2005 he ruled in favor of the SF, in Oct 2007, he ruled against it) So, the legislature has to change the language of the law, so the courts do not flip flop too much. Also, the state legislature can't undo the US supreme court, that must be done by the US congress.
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#7
Oct 27, 2007
 
Colleen Hanabusa is very wishy-washy. The senators should not be worried about the special session. Her comment about them voting with reservations is ridiculous. When rules do not serve the purpose of the public they can be rewritten. I'm surprised that she is a representative making that comment. It clearly shows that she has a limited understanding about government and it's three branches.What district does she represent? Oh!!!
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Oct 27, 2007
 
Concerned Resident wrote:
Wow, I guess the separation of powers doesn't exist here. I wonder if we can get the State to undo other Supreme Court rulings.
What this says is having a court system here is merely a formality since the State can just legislate away whatever the courts rule. It also means the State can play favorites and pass laws just for certain parties.
Why doesn't the State try undo the anti-Hawaiian rulings which came down recently?
I agree with Luis...what happened here is EXACTLY why there is a separation of powers. If no laws could ever be revised women would not be able to vote, abortion would be against the law etc. Sounds like concerned should borrow a 4th grade government book and bone up a bit on how things work.
DA SUPER FAIRY-NO WAY

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#9
Oct 27, 2007
 
compromise is good, however bullshit is bullshit
the main compromise here is POLITICIANS NOT LISTENING TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS
the great silent majority that JOE SOUKI IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE 1.0 MILLION OF OAHU RESIDENTS THAT FAVOR THE SUPER FAIRY
these oahu residents will bring disease, pestilence, rubbish, rape, pillage and burn RESOURCES OF MAUI, KAUAI, DESTROY THE PEACE ON MOLOKAI AND BRING WAR PRACTICING SOLDIERS to the big island
TRAFFIC, INVASIVE SPECIES, DRUG TRAFFICKING, HOMELESS PEOPLE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE STATE, CRIME,RAPE,ARE THE RESULTING OUTCOMES OF THE SUPER FAIRY
NEIGHBOR ISLAND PEOPLE WILL NOW HAVE TO LOCK THEIR DOORS
GOOD BYE politicians
TIME TO ELECT ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE REPRESENTATIVES, NOT SUPPORTERS OF MONEY MAKING SCHEMES.
CHECK OUT YOUR LEGISLATORS CONTRIBUTORS, YOU WILL FIND THE VOTES ARE BOUGHT
ALOHA FROM MOLOKAI
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Oct 27, 2007
 
ECONOMIC RELIEF FOR THE STATE OF HAWAII
V.
ALL THE ABOVE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES MENTIONED IN MY PREVIOUS POST
CANNOT SUPERCEED THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF HAWAII.
WE CAN NO LONGER BE SWAYED BY "CLEAVER" POLITICIANS, TO MAKE THEIR INTEREST OURS.
THIS IS TOTALLY A "SHUT UP" GESTURE FROM THE SPECIAL SESSION SO CALLED COMPROMISE
SAVE THE FACE? OF BAD DECISIONS?
THIS IS NOT LOOKING BACK, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THE THERE WAS A HUGE CIRCUMVENTION OF THE DUE DILIGENCE IN THE APPROVAL OF THE SUPER FAIRY
IT WAS LITERALLY SHOVED DOWN OUT THROATS, BY THOSE DISCUSSIONS, OBVIOUSLY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
MAKE THE SUPER FAIRY GO BACK AND DO THE SAME EA OR EIS THAT WE ALL PEOPLE OF HAWAII NEI HAVE TO PERFORM IN AN INTEREST SIMILAR
Q:
HOW DOES ONE REMOVE DRIED EGG OF ONES FACE
A:
SCRUB HARD

ALOHA FROM MOLOKAI, MAKE THE SUPER FAIRY SWEAT
Hawaiianjustice

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#11
Oct 27, 2007
 
Governor LIngle’s unconscionable usurpation of the judiciary’s power to decide statutory law by forcing the legislature to go into special session is a clear act of tyranny over the people. Rather than representing and working for the people of Hawaii Lingle has proven herself a sellout. And now the legislature becomes complicitous in the governors abuse of power to make a profit for a few business cronies over the will of the people and the laws of the land. But the superferry issue has now laid bare the corruption of a governor gone wrong and the demise of the judiciaries constitutional power. I wonder if the words below have any meaning to our governor. Based on her recent actions I think those of her ilk probably look at these words as seditious. How unfortunate.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Doraemon

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Oct 27, 2007
 
Public Service Announcement

Services for John Kelly (Save Our Surf)
Oahu HCC Campus Unknown area
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Where on Oahu campus?
Hollis

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#13
Oct 27, 2007
 
Morita is just trying to look good for her constituents. That's it. And hopefully by next week, this will be a done deal. Some serious applause is in order for our senators and representatives. They are 100% doing the right thing in representing the wises of the citizens of Hawaii. This is a democracy, remember?

To the so-called "environmentalists" that have been screaming about the EIS, invasive species, slower speeds, etc... Now that the Superferry will soon be out of your grasps, why not target Matson, Young Brothers, and the cruise lines? My prediction: in two months time, you'll all be back to your normal lives with no ambition to do anything but smoke pot. Your time in the news spotlight is nearly over, as is your time of making Hawaii's citizens look like a bunch of insane people.

To the Coast Guard and local police, I sincerely hope that you are prepared to stop protesters from jumping in front of the ferry upon relaunch. Any such offender should be locked away in federal prison for a LONG TIME. It's time to take the gloves off.
Ruthtutu

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#14
Oct 27, 2007
 
I would presume, that Souki with his comment of the support by"the silent majority", refers to the most common way "the people reach their legislators with their input". Not all would go through the formality of writing testimony to submit--but even this group that did so, must have been at least 9 to 1 "for the ferry system" on all islands. In addition, their office phones must have been very very busy on this subject, as this is the easiest, fastest, and takes the least time for a voter to "vote the subject". Many times the legislator is left without directions or input from his voters, and then wonders why "no input". However, if there is no input, then the presumption is that the voters are in agreement.
BAS

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#15
Oct 27, 2007
 
If you read all the threads from anti-SF individuals, you can easily come to the conclusion that the issue is really that these people don't want progress, i.e. more people, cars, businesses, etc. The environmental issue is just an effective way to get what they want without stating the "real" truth. Just keep in mind that these islands are a part of the whole (state) and if someone wants to drive their car from Honolulu to Kahului, for example, it is within their rights as a citizen of Hawaii and, in fact, that includes anyone from the U.S. I look forward to taking the SF next time I'm in town.
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#16
Oct 27, 2007
 
The proposed washing of undercarriages of cars to "prevent the spread of invasive species" is frivolous and costly use of extra manpower. Do they require that of all incoming vehicles shipped from the other 49 States? Used, old, and new cars, or any other type of vehicle??? Nonsense to delay. Voters should remember who proposed it.
Doraemon

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Oct 27, 2007
 
People try and compare unpowered barges to powered vessels or compare cruise ships to vessels that can move people and their vehicles. Again jets move people, cruise boats move people, and Super Ferry can move people and vehicles. They are really different things. Powered boats that don’t use propellers using Swath technology are relatively new things to these islands.

Parts of the objection are improvements to harbor facilities vehicle ramps unique to SF were built using ultimately public funds. Whether bonds which are also subject to more strict Hawaii Security regulation is a moot point. The SF is also used as a possible transport in an emergency. Recent damages to the Kawaihae piers in the last major earthquake actually made the piers unusable. Unless the facilities were designed to anticipate disaster, any major type of incident may disable that service indefinitely.

People against the Super Ferry have been called Luddites or people resistant to change. Not really, just people with real concerns over Special treatment of certain private corporate profit oriented companies using public funds in the public domain.

Legitimate concerns are being raised by sides pro and against. Change will happen that really can’t be argued. Will some of these changes hurt or help Hawaii. My argument here is such matters would require more than a short special session.

We all live in an America where dissent is acceptable or are we in a banana republic. The ‘writings on the wall’ but the final chapters haven’t been accepted and signed yet in this Democracy.
Welcom to the SuperFerry

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Oct 27, 2007
 
Hawaii was perceived to be more like a third world country than a State in the US. We were apalled by the violent tactics of the Environmentalists, and the big lies they were telling.

Actually, it is the legislature's job to make the laws, and for judges to interpret them. The judiciary is not superior to the other branches, and this is our system of Government. So, for those who think judges are dictators (even if they like the decision)-- they are wrong.

Hopefully, the SuperFerry will start running without futher delay.
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Oct 27, 2007
 
I am packing up a big bag of invasive species and rubbish to take to Maui and Kauai just as soon as the SuperFerry sets sail. Come to think of it, I might do a little raping and pillaging while I am there too! We Oahu folks will be invading your precious little islands soon, so look out!

PS - What do you call stupid whales that cannot get out of the way of the SuperFerry?

Dead!!!! Nuke the whales!!!!!
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Oct 27, 2007
 
Doraemon wrote:
Public Service Announcement
Services for John Kelly (Save Our Surf)
Oahu HCC Campus Unknown area
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Where on Oahu campus?
The way you Enviro Whackos carry on about this John Kelly, I am sure he will rise again! Enough ALREADY! Just another Rachel Carson in pants.
Braddah PT

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Oct 27, 2007
 
BAS wrote:
If you read all the threads from anti-SF individuals, you can easily come to the conclusion that the issue is really that these people don't want progress, i.e. more people, cars, businesses, etc. The environmental issue is just an effective way to get what they want without stating the "real" truth. Just keep in mind that these islands are a part of the whole (state) and if someone wants to drive their car from Honolulu to Kahului, for example, it is within their rights as a citizen of Hawaii and, in fact, that includes anyone from the U.S. I look forward to taking the SF next time I'm in town.
It's clearly that you don't understand where we are coming from. Yes, the environmental issue is one aspect of it. But come on... Look what Hawaii lost so far. The language... why do we speak only on special occasions rather than speak it casually? And when you look back in history when the US ban the Hawaiian language. My point is Oahu is like the mainland and sad to say becoming more like Los Angeles. My problem with it is that this will spread. I don't care about the right to move from island to island. Yes, a company is has lots to lose but Hawai'i has a lot to lose. I welcome new things and even if I'm against it I won't stop it as long as it go according to law.

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