Burial council hears outrage over hom...

Burial council hears outrage over home site - News

There are 74 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 3, 2008, titled Burial council hears outrage over home site - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

LIHUE>> Dozens of Hawaiians and their supporters testified yesterday in tears and with shouts and voices crackling with emotion before the Kauai Niihau Burial Council.

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Kimokeo

AOL

#1 Oct 3, 2008
You protestors want to stop construction? Fine, just pay the owner, who did everything legally, every penny he has spent. Put your money where your mouths are. Then you can sue the state, who you claim made a "big major mistake", to recover your money.
Voice_o_Haena_No t

Portland, OR

#3 Oct 3, 2008
No good can come from building on a burial site
Arigato

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 3, 2008
What the heck ! Do you want to live above a ancient ancestor of Hawaii encase in your living room floor?? I know you got all the necessary approvals from the authorities, all accept the Hawaiian community that is. Old Sly was smart enough to sell that property, Hmmm must be he knew better. Thats why his nickname is SLY. How delicate of a situation is this anyway? Moving IWI is a last resort , but to go ahaed and build over them and have the knowledge that they are there is another story. I can assume that many IWI are located under buildings and Condo"s but what you don't know will not affect you. In this case you know that they are there so walking around above them would disturb me thats for sure. Kauai's community of Kaimaina are very strong willed people who beleive in what they are protesting. Transplanted resisdence have now eperience controversy (SUPERFERRY) in the same place that they have voiced their protest. Sometimes that dog will bite you back be careful where you try and pitch yout tent.
wackie

Wahiawa, HI

#5 Oct 3, 2008
Let them build. Its already started, its too late to stop it now. Somebody has got to pay for the mess. I hope its not us taxpayers.
move on

Kapaau, HI

#7 Oct 3, 2008
The burial council should require the owner to relocate the bones to a cemetary at his expense.
Those who claim the bones are their ancestors should be required to provide names for the gravestones. Let's see how many are claimed and named, and how many are being used as a Hawaiian rights pawn.
There is nothing that says these bones need to stay where they are forever.
Frances

AOL

#9 Oct 3, 2008
For those of you who mock Native Hawaiians who raise concern about these iwi, please note that the iwi contains our mana, or god-force, and to treat iwi disrespectfully is considered one of the worst offenses that can be committed against a Native Hawaiian. How would you like it if someone built a house over your grandmother's grave?

When Nancy McMahon and the people from DLNR, and those people on the Kauai Planning Commission, and when those state and county agencies first come into the public sector as employees or as commissioners, they all must swear an oath to uphold the laws of the state of Hawai`i.

When they violate the law they swore to uphold, they must be held accountable. It is the duty of the state administration to make sure the laws are upheld. What's wrong with Governor Lingle and her staff? Why do they hate the Hawaiian people?

Since: Jun 08

United States

#10 Oct 3, 2008
It is time for the state to make the tough decision and move on. Either this property is a sacred burial site and not to be disturbed, or the property owner should be able to relocate the remains to a designated cemetery.

If the ruling is for the former, then it will bring a halt to any construction everywhere on the islands but for reclaimed land such as Sand Island and Magic Island. It seems to me there are sacred remains EVERYWHERE else. In areas where remains haven't surfaced, the land is deemed sacred anyway.

The future economy of the isles depends on investment. Who in their right mind will invest with this case dangling over their heads? It is time to resolve this Hawaiian Rights issue. Either they will bring an end to the modern island experience or they won't, but let's get it over with!
Bill

United States

#11 Oct 3, 2008
Has no-one in Hawaii seen the movie Poltergeist? What is wrong with building over graves? Plenty!, starting with the fact that the downstairs neighbors may complain about it. But seriously...
Concerns about disrespect are real and not to be played with. Mana is power, that is why the old Hawaiians would take the bones of their chief rivals and keep them. HEY modern man, symbols have power and the bones of ancestors are powerful symbols of Hawaiian spiritual life. Respect the IWI. Do not build over them.
Woody

Mesa, AZ

#12 Oct 3, 2008
The earth is for the living, if someone built a home over My Grandmothers grave so be it. My Grandmother is not spending Her eternity in the dirt.
On the point of there are places that are sacred on the Islands mark them on the map and be done with it. No going back, and no complaining later when someone wants to build on their own property.
kapaa

Lihue, HI

#13 Oct 3, 2008
This is just in keeping with the states usual actions when it comes to the iwi of people long ago and now hawaiians ore putting their cooctive feet down and say enough is enough. The planning commision is just as dysfunctional as the planning department. anyone can basically do what ever they want and then just get permitted after the fact. it is really ridiculous that people can say oh well to late just let that dumbass build his house.. no he should remove the house and the original land put back the way it was.
Hawaiian Warrior

San Diego, CA

#14 Oct 3, 2008
Frances wrote:
For those of you who mock Native Hawaiians who raise concern about these iwi, please note that the iwi contains our mana, or god-force, and to treat iwi disrespectfully is considered one of the worst offenses that can be committed against a Native Hawaiian. How would you like it if someone built a house over your grandmother's grave?
When Nancy McMahon and the people from DLNR, and those people on the Kauai Planning Commission, and when those state and county agencies first come into the public sector as employees or as commissioners, they all must swear an oath to uphold the laws of the state of Hawai`i.
When they violate the law they swore to uphold, they must be held accountable. It is the duty of the state administration to make sure the laws are upheld. What's wrong with Governor Lingle and her staff? Why do they hate the Hawaiian people?
So very true about the "mana" in iwi, spiritual "essence" remains in human bones for several hundred years. Earth humans are naturally meant to live 350-450 years and this why its "essence" remains. It is the connection between past ancestors to their present living families. Don't expect blind, religious brain-washed people to understand this concept, they don't which explains the bigoted racist views to native peoples.

After all, it was their "creator overlords" calling themselves "gods" who manipulated earth human DNA to serve their selfish existence and created the illogical religious to impose/control them to this very day. They activated the ageing gene M1/M2 to shorten his life span to 100 years, scientists will find out about this very soon.

That is also the reason why most people think and react in unethical, illogical ways, devoid of reason. Yes, criminal charges should be imposed on those responsible for this desicration.

Lingle just wanted the Hawaiian vote to get elected, but at least she served as a buffer to the entrenched corrupt Democrats, who couldn't care less about Hawaiian issues. Power and greed is all that matters, maybe the Hawaiian kahunas should invoke their spiritual powers against those that persecute them! Don't worry about that stupid Christian god or Jesus, both were created by the same type of corrupted power lust humans, existing at the expense of others.
North Shore Girl

Kihei, HI

#17 Oct 3, 2008
The beautiful thing is that if we protect the iwi, the iwi will protect the aina. It's part of the circle of life. When the white man first came to Hawaii 90% of Hawaiians died from disease causing great grief and a collapse of society. Now their iwi is all that is left and we have a duty to honor, respect and protect it. Ua mau ke ea o ka aina pono - the life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness
Jkai

Maunaloa, HI

#18 Oct 3, 2008
This can't be too important to native Hawaiians. Right now there are three fabulously wealthy organizations that claim to exist to protect native Hawaiian's interests. The Office of Hawaiian Affairs, the Office of Hawaiian Homelands and the Bishop Estate.

The Bishop Estate seems more intent on educating the wealthy and gifted, building shopping malls and paying their trustees huge salaries. The Hawaiian Homelands make native Hawaiian wait decades for a chance at a tiny parcel of land and the Office of Hawaiian Affairs seems to only collect tax dollars and invest them. If this was truly a cultural concern, one of them would surely go to the property owner and say, "we will buy this land from you for it's fair market value, we certainly don't expect an non-Hawaiian to be expected to make such a huge personal donation. So either it's really not that important to native Hawaiians or the OHA, Hawaiian Homelands, and Bishop Trust aren't doing their jobs.
Hawaii 96782

Honolulu, HI

#19 Oct 3, 2008
Build on graves, big mistake. All over Hawaii there are buildings built on graves and they are very disturbed properties. Condemn the property under Eminent Domain and end this now.
thecommongood

Honolulu, HI

#20 Oct 3, 2008
move on wrote:
The burial council should require the owner to relocate the bones to a cemetary at his expense.
Those who claim the bones are their ancestors should be required to provide names for the gravestones. Let's see how many are claimed and named, and how many are being used as a Hawaiian rights pawn.
There is nothing that says these bones need to stay where they are forever.
Funny. I remember reading that the owner offered to do exactly that but the council told him he couldn't. Now the FAIR thing to do would be for the council or the descendants to pay for the removal so that the landowner can build HIS home on HIS land. Just because the ancient Hawaiians decided it was okay to just bury thier dead wherever they felt like shouldn't give them the ability to mess with the landowners ability to do what he wants with his land. You can talk about mana all you want but if the ancient Hawaiians were that powerful the land would still be theirs. Move the remains or let the owner move them, it's just that simple. Respect the living for crying out loud. And don't ask me how I would feel if someone built something over my ancestors graves. My "ancestors" are buried in actual cemetaries. We know where they are and would not sell the plots to anyone. IF, however, a need arose to develop the land its a simple matter to dig up the urns and relocate them. My ancestors won't care. I'm pretty sure they've moved on. In the words of Yoda "luminous beings are we... not this crude matter." Cremation is a wonderful thing.
thecommongood

Honolulu, HI

#21 Oct 3, 2008
Hawaiian Warrior wrote:
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So very true about the "mana" in iwi, spiritual "essence" remains in human bones for several hundred years. Earth humans are naturally meant to live 350-450 years and this why its "essence" remains. It is the connection between past ancestors to their present living families. Don't expect blind, religious brain-washed people to understand this concept, they don't which explains the bigoted racist views to native peoples.
After all, it was their "creator overlords" calling themselves "gods" who manipulated earth human DNA to serve their selfish existence and created the illogical religious to impose/control them to this very day. They activated the ageing gene M1/M2 to shorten his life span to 100 years, scientists will find out about this very soon.
That is also the reason why most people think and react in unethical, illogical ways, devoid of reason. Yes, criminal charges should be imposed on those responsible for this desicration.
Lingle just wanted the Hawaiian vote to get elected, but at least she served as a buffer to the entrenched corrupt Democrats, who couldn't care less about Hawaiian issues. Power and greed is all that matters, maybe the Hawaiian kahunas should invoke their spiritual powers against those that persecute them! Don't worry about that stupid Christian god or Jesus, both were created by the same type of corrupted power lust humans, existing at the expense of others.
Crazy much?
Pay the Man

San Francisco, CA

#22 Oct 3, 2008
Mr. Brescia bought this land not knowing that this was an ancient burial ground. He paid for it fair and square and got the proper permits to build. If you the Native Hawaiian Legal Corp and the State of Hawaii feel that nothing should be built on this land then you guys need to buyout Mr. Brescia.
96744Boy

United States

#23 Oct 3, 2008
Just one word: BACHI.
retsamssa

Honolulu, HI

#24 Oct 3, 2008
If this land is such "a special place of immense spiritual and cultural importance," then why didn't anybody say anything before this guy bought the land? Why didn't they say anything when Stallone owned it, or before he bought it? Nobody gave a damn about that land for decades, so it's hard for me to take seriously all the people suddenly coming out of the wood work to wail about their "ancestors."
KIMO

Honolulu, HI

#25 Oct 3, 2008
So, where's OHA? They have the money--buy the homesite and preserve it... It's not really very complicated..!
Just do it--BUY IT AND PRESERVE IT!
Where's Micah?

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