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Troubled bridges over island waters - Hawaii News

There are 22 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Nov 23, 2009, titled Troubled bridges over island waters - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Though about 38 percent are deemed deficient or obsolete, officials say they are not necessarily perilous By Craig Gima POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 23, 2009 Return to Paginated View More of Hawaii's bridges are in need of modernization than bridges in most other states, according to an annual survey of state and county bridges by Better Roads ...

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Jerry Springer

Troy, MI

#1 Nov 23, 2009
About 38 percent of highway and road bridges in Hawaii are structurally deficient.
Sure makes sense to build an elevated choo-choo.
Ulua

Roswell, NM

#2 Nov 23, 2009
Jerry Springer wrote:
About 38 percent of highway and road bridges in Hawaii are structurally deficient.
Sure makes sense to build an elevated choo-choo.
you are right ----choo-choo will not use the bridges
ovphoto

Milpitas, CA

#3 Nov 23, 2009
sure if you believe they'll fix or upgrade these bridges,I've got some oceanfront swampland in Florida for sale
Da kine

Union City, NJ

#4 Nov 23, 2009
Why sooooooooooooooooooooo looooooooooong? to replace it--------->smell funny kine people,pilao.
Jerry Okamura

Hilo, HI

#5 Nov 23, 2009
Yep, until someone dies when one of these actually does collapse. Like playing Russian Roulette.
Realist

Wahiawa, HI

#6 Nov 23, 2009
What about the bridge over the stream on Kam by Makalapa Gate, it is more than three years behind it's original completion date. Only one side of the road has been worked on at all. I pass there twice a week and there is seldom anyone present at the site.

Someone at DOT should be at least embarrassed for this fiasco, if not furloughed forever.
Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#7 Nov 23, 2009
Realist wrote:
What about the bridge over the stream on Kam by Makalapa Gate, it is more than three years behind it's original completion date. Only one side of the road has been worked on at all. I pass there twice a week and there is seldom anyone present at the site.
Someone at DOT should be at least embarrassed for this fiasco, if not furloughed forever.
They keep finding pipes and cables and they don't know whos it is. After sorting that out they are slowly making headway, but when you pass by where are the workers? HHmmm maybe they found something else that they don't know who it belongs to. Are they really going to do the other side also? Its some kind of record which I think the H3 has that distinction, but at least the H3 was a long distance project. This bridge is such a manini little project.
correct

Honolulu, HI

#8 Nov 23, 2009
This is exactly the kind of thing the next mayor must take care of (on the county side of things). Other must do needs are the sewer system and it's associated problems and upkeep of dams on county property.
If the Nuuanu dam fails, it will be a disaster that will include many deaths, loss of homes and huge financial disaster.
Instead of wasting hard to come by funds on the rail, the tax collected should either be given back to the taxpayers, or (after amending the current law) be used for these types of must do projects.
Humbug

Mililani, HI

#9 Nov 23, 2009
Kimo wrote:
<quoted text>They keep finding pipes and cables and they don't know whos it is. After sorting that out they are slowly making headway, but when you pass by where are the workers? HHmmm maybe they found something else that they don't know who it belongs to. Are they really going to do the other side also? Its some kind of record which I think the H3 has that distinction, but at least the H3 was a long distance project. This bridge is such a manini little project.
If you unexpectedly run into unknown utilities, then first you gotta determine what it is. Then you gotta ask the appropriate agency/entity what to do about it - it may require rerouting/relocation, temporary bypass or interruption of service, jacketing for protection, etc. That may require some design work by the agency, the consultant, or the contractor. Then you may need review/approval from various agencies/affected parties. Along with all that, the contractor may have to submit a change order to the client for approval of the work, and to make sure that he's fairly compensated for it. The actual work may need to be done by the agency itself, rather than the contractor. If so, that has to be scheduled.

In the midst of all that, they'll try to keep going with the rest of the work, but sometimes it's just not efficient or even possible to do so, until the issue gets resolved first. Especially around military areas, running into unidentified/unexpected utilities is a constant problem.
Realist

Wahiawa, HI

#10 Nov 23, 2009
Humbug wrote:
<quoted text>If you unexpectedly run into unknown utilities, then first you gotta determine what it is. Then you gotta ask the appropriate agency/entity what to do about it - it may require rerouting/relocation, temporary bypass or interruption of service, jacketing for protection, etc. That may require some design work by the agency, the consultant, or the contractor. Then you may need review/approval from various agencies/affected parties. Along with all that, the contractor may have to submit a change order to the client for approval of the work, and to make sure that he's fairly compensated for it. The actual work may need to be done by the agency itself, rather than the contractor. If so, that has to be scheduled.
In the midst of all that, they'll try to keep going with the rest of the work, but sometimes it's just not efficient or even possible to do so, until the issue gets resolved first. Especially around military areas, running into unidentified/unexpected utilities is a constant problem.
Typical bureaucratic BS. If there was a time incentive to the contractor built into all DOT contracts this type of issue would not be the norm but a very rare exception.
TheShaft

Kihei, HI

#11 Nov 23, 2009
Same old Hawaii. No fix if not fallen down, and even if they do build new bridges they never do the upkeep of them.
sour poi

Honolulu, HI

#12 Nov 23, 2009
Hahaha, but yet they built the bridge to nowhere in Nanakuli. I think it cost just over a million dollars. Our great democratic politicians with such uncanny wisdom to build a bridge in case. No ask me what in case, just in case.
To goooood those kalei eggs.
Dats one good one

Honolulu, HI

#13 Nov 23, 2009
sour poi wrote:
Hahaha, but yet they built the bridge to nowhere in Nanakuli. I think it cost just over a million dollars. Our great democratic politicians with such uncanny wisdom to build a bridge in case. No ask me what in case, just in case.
To goooood those kalei eggs.
I was always wondering about that bridge and could not figure out what it does. Now I know it was built JUST IN CASE. Ha Ha those joker politicians funded the bridge to nowhere to give their friends some kala. Wow I pass that thing a 1,000 times and always had that question in mind. These buggas have trouble with bridges whether we need them or not.
NO MORE MUFI

Kailua, HI

#14 Nov 23, 2009
Enough is Enough!!!

No more bully Mufi!! chooo chooo that's all Mufi wants forget about the bridges falling down, forget the pool size pot holes, forget no street lights all TRAIN baby. Remember what MUFI is doing, VOTE NO MORE MUFI
sour poi

Honolulu, HI

#15 Nov 23, 2009
Dats one good one wrote:
<quoted text>I was always wondering about that bridge and could not figure out what it does. Now I know it was built JUST IN CASE. Ha Ha those joker politicians funded the bridge to nowhere to give their friends some kala. Wow I pass that thing a 1,000 times and always had that question in mind. These buggas have trouble with bridges whether we need them or not.
Da kala stay in DA BRIEF CASE! Just in case you like know.
Bureaucrats

Kailua, HI

#16 Nov 23, 2009
Realist wrote:
What about the bridge over the stream on Kam by Makalapa Gate, it is more than three years behind it's original completion date. Only one side of the road has been worked on at all. I pass there twice a week and there is seldom anyone present at the site.
Someone at DOT should be at least embarrassed for this fiasco, if not furloughed forever.
Your highway tax dollars goes to support these lazy good-for-nothing bureaucrats whose only function is to get compensated and "massage" the system so they can retire at a higher rate! Also the corrupt unions, getting contracts "under the table" like to "milk" the project for all its worth!

Job security for the union hacks...the longer they milk it, the more dues their cronies pay into the union's coffers!
Randy

Lihue, HI

#17 Nov 23, 2009
Humbug wrote:
<quoted text>...Along with all that, the contractor may have to submit a change order to the client for approval of the work, and to make sure that he's fairly compensated for it....
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2008/04/08/n...

One million dollar change order. Da contractor on this project must be laughing all the way to the bank for just parking his crane on the jobsite. Ho, ho, ho!!!

If you ask me, sounds like the geotechnical engineer on this project didn't do his due dilligence. Bet his geotechnical report probably didn't reference ASCE Standard 38-02...

http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi...
Randy

Lihue, HI

#18 Nov 23, 2009
"Of the state bridges on the list, 50 are considered structurally deficient, Mori said. Those bridges are "closely monitored and they are safe," she (Tammi Mori) said."

That's exactly what Minnesota DOT believed before their I-35W bridge catastrophically collapsed.

Bet their bridge engineers also assured their public talking head that the bridge was being annually inspected since 1993.
LauLau

AOL

#19 Nov 24, 2009
Ask Moooooooofi for some money, instead of spending it on rail!!!!!!!!
GIVE ME A BREAK

Kaneohe, HI

#20 Nov 24, 2009
MAYBE THE TRAIN IS NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR US AFTER ALL......

WHEN THE MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT OF BRIDGES ARE THIS BAD-----WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS AND PEOPLE DIE----"WE WON'T HAVE JIMMY TO RAKE OVER THE COALS AND BLAME". GET IT??????????

I WONDER HOW MUCH WAS THE COST TO THE STATE, COUNTIES, AND JIMMY FOR THE KOLOKO DAM "INCIDENT"??????????

MAINTENANCE/REPAIR FOR THE TRAIN "WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE DEFERED, IF SOMETHING IS BROKEN OR BAD", IT MUST BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY.

WE COULD PROBABLY USE MORE THAN 10X (OR MORE), THAN THE COST OF THE TRAIN TO FIX/REPAIR ALL(?) THE INFRASTRUCTURE "DEFICENTIES" WE CURRENTLY HAVE. GET IT??????????

SEWER, WATER, ROADS, TREATMENT PLANT UPGRADES, DRAINAGE, I COULD GO ON AND ON----BUT THIS TYPE OF "STUFF" DOESN'T PRODUCE VOTES FOR CANDIDATES---EXCEPT FOR ELECTION/RE-ELECTION PANDERING, RIGHT MUFI??????????

Still from Kaneohe

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