Secret Service violates HR218 at Obam...
Gene

Newport News, VA

#22 Oct 6, 2008
there are a few posters that are so full of b.s it hurts the SECRET SERVICE SHOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR THEFT OF CITY OWNED HANDGUNS OR RETURN THE ONES THAT WERE TAKIN UNLAWFULY..
Simple

Staunton, VA

#23 Oct 6, 2008
The guns need returned, and the idiot who violated HR218 needs a pink slip.
Cops and intimidation

Hampton, VA

#24 Oct 7, 2008
Unfortunately, our local cops have a policy of intimidation and escilation. Any opposition is met by increasing levels of force and truculence, smart mouth and bad attitude until the gun comes out.

How many times have we watched cops fingering their sidearms - unsnapping their holsters and so on for no reason? They do this to intimidate.

Which brings up the SWAT team. These clowns volunteer for this because they want to kill someone. A good example of this are the snipers. These psychotics will kill anyone their supervisors tell them. They hide their identity because of fear of retribution.

The Secret Service was quite correct in confiscating firearms. The rules are for EVERYONE, including them.

Which brings us to the police mantra: Do as I say and not as I do
Bad cop no donut

Hampton, VA

#25 Oct 7, 2008
Bad cop no gun!
Obviously

Newport News, VA

#26 Oct 7, 2008
Obviously no one in here has been a victim of violent crime, and was able to stop it due to the lawful carry of a weapon. We'd all hear a different song and dance then.
Mike

Carrollton, VA

#28 Oct 7, 2008
P-O-E wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you legally carry your weapon on a commercial airplane?
Yes we can. You have to go through proper channels, but yes, we can fly armed.

Since: Jul 08

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#29 Oct 7, 2008
Thug Hunter wrote:
My point was that by voluntarily giving it away at a non-work related function, the city should not have to pay for a new one.
<quoted text>
Evidently you and I disagree on the definition of voluntarily. When I volunteer something it is my choice.

Since: Jul 08

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#30 Oct 7, 2008
Cops and intimidation wrote:
How many times have we watched cops fingering their sidearms - unsnapping their holsters and so on for no reason? They do this to intimidate.
I've never seen this. Where do you live?
blacksheep

Roanoke, VA

#31 Oct 7, 2008
What a moron this off duty cop must be. I can not get over the fact that this DOLT actually has the official duty to protect anybody on this planet. What ? did this idiot just wake up and say "hmm, I think I'll go see Obama today and carry my gun,(concealed no doubt) and not think the SECRET SERVICE would have a problem with this? what a F*cking IDIOT!( and then cry about HR218), again, MORON.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#32 Oct 7, 2008
thetruthalwayscomesout wrote:
Actually, I believe you are wrong in this. It is my understanding that law enforcement officers are protected under this law, so any signs or advertisements that say "No Weapons Allowed" do not apply to them. Personally, I think that someone in the Secret Service as a LOT of explaining to do. This SS guy had no business using profane language to anyone like that to begin with. I feel that the SS should know about this law, and therefore should have taken a systematic approach to the whole thing. While understanding the need for added security at an event like this, there should have been a check point set up especially for those LICENSED to carry weapons, so that when the event was over, they could return and pick up their weapons. To keep this is utterly rediculous, and I personally think that this particular agent knew he was in the wrong, so that is why he refused to give his name. I hope the people that were affected by this all file formal complaints with the SS office 1st thing Monday morning. It's pretty obvious that these weapons are registered, so it really shouldn't be a problem returning them to their rightful owners.
JMHO!
<quoted text>
Not much explaining to do really. Off duty police or deputies should have checked the protocol and with their CO PRIOR to attending the
obnoxious event.

Make sense? I would not imagine the Secret Service had time to do call their commanding officers to verify they are or were cops.

That is the individuals responsibility-cops-
checking out the procedures for off duty events such as this. If the cops were off duty, they should have had a personal weapon. You would think.

McCAIN * PALIN

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#33 Oct 7, 2008
Cops and intimidation wrote:
Unfortunately, our local cops have a policy of intimidation and escilation. Any opposition is met by increasing levels of force and truculence, smart mouth and bad attitude until the gun comes out.
How many times have we watched cops fingering their sidearms - unsnapping their holsters and so on for no reason? They do this to intimidate.
Which brings up the SWAT team. These clowns volunteer for this because they want to kill someone. A good example of this are the snipers. These psychotics will kill anyone their supervisors tell them. They hide their identity because of fear of retribution.
The Secret Service was quite correct in confiscating firearms. The rules are for EVERYONE, including them.
Which brings us to the police mantra: Do as I say and not as I do
Pure dogmatic propaganda- is what your post is entertaining. You are clueless.
Proud Hamptonian

Hampton, VA

#34 Oct 7, 2008
This is a first step for Obama and his violations of citizens rights. Book burning will be on his agenda. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

“Jacob's Sookie”

Since: Nov 07

Hamilton,Va SOBX

#35 Oct 7, 2008
Gene wrote:
there are a few posters that are so full of b.s it hurts the SECRET SERVICE SHOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR THEFT OF CITY OWNED HANDGUNS OR RETURN THE ONES THAT WERE TAKIN UNLAWFULY..
Pray tell- Secret Service being held liable for WHAT?
Your post is off 360*. There are procedures that are adhered to, and they did their jobs taking guns that WERE NOT PERMITTED to begin with.

The cops should have asked about this legal procedure prior to taking their service weapons.

There lies the stupidity- and your post.
Proud Hamptonian

Hampton, VA

#36 Oct 7, 2008
blacksheep wrote:
What a moron this off duty cop must be. I can not get over the fact that this DOLT actually has the official duty to protect anybody on this planet. What ? did this idiot just wake up and say "hmm, I think I'll go see Obama today and carry my gun,(concealed no doubt) and not think the SECRET SERVICE would have a problem with this? what a F*cking IDIOT!( and then cry about HR218), again, MORON.
No you're the complete idiot. Law enforcement officers are sworn to protect the peace 24/7. Maybe when that thug is assaulting you or a family member that cop will be there without his service piece and you get you just deserves. The real idiot is the one that supports the abuse of LAW by a politician. Osama, opps I mean Obama will strip the rights of citizens one at a time.
AJay

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#37 Oct 7, 2008
Enlightened Republican wrote:
One of the main attributes of a police officer, if 'HR218 Supporter' actually is a police officer, is common sense. To carry a concealed handgun to a presidential campaign rally shows no common sense. There is no way for the Secret Service to be sure that a guy with a concealed handgun had legitimate paperwork as a police officer.'HR218' is probably bogus. No police officer would go public with an admission like this.
Nope. HR218 is real. It was passed in 2004.

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NNPD Blue

Newport News, VA

#38 Oct 7, 2008
Proud Hamptonian wrote:
<quoted text>
No you're the complete idiot. Law enforcement officers are sworn to protect the peace 24/7. Maybe when that thug is assaulting you or a family member that cop will be there without his service piece and you get you just deserves. The real idiot is the one that supports the abuse of LAW by a politician. Osama, opps I mean Obama will strip the rights of citizens one at a time.
It wasn't Senator Obama that ordered the weapons taken. The Officers had the right to leave with their weapons. HR218 was never designed to cover everything. It was designed to allow Officers the ability to legally carry concealed weapons out of their home state. Before HR218, any Virginia Police Officer could carry concealed anywhere in the Commonwealth with a few exceptions. A business has the right to not allow weapons on their property. They cannot take them, but they can ask you to leave and once they do you must leave else your Trespassing. Busch Gardens is one of those places. If they find your carrying a weapon, they ask you to leave. I went to the Hampton Convocation Center for my youngest brothers Graduation. My gun, Badge and cuffs tripped the Metal Detector. I was kindly asked to leave or place my weapon in my car. I didn't jump up and down and make a scene, I complied with the request. But if you want to blame Obama, I suggest you head on over to VA Beach and attend the McCain rally and carry your gun. Let me know how that turns out.
Proud Hamptonian

Hampton, VA

#39 Oct 7, 2008
NNPD Blue wrote:
<quoted text>It wasn't Senator Obama that ordered the weapons taken. The Officers had the right to leave with their weapons. HR218 was never designed to cover everything. It was designed to allow Officers the ability to legally carry concealed weapons out of their home state. Before HR218, any Virginia Police Officer could carry concealed anywhere in the Commonwealth with a few exceptions. A business has the right to not allow weapons on their property. They cannot take them, but they can ask you to leave and once they do you must leave else your Trespassing. Busch Gardens is one of those places. If they find your carrying a weapon, they ask you to leave. I went to the Hampton Convocation Center for my youngest brothers Graduation. My gun, Badge and cuffs tripped the Metal Detector. I was kindly asked to leave or place my weapon in my car. I didn't jump up and down and make a scene, I complied with the request. But if you want to blame Obama, I suggest you head on over to VA Beach and attend the McCain rally and carry your gun. Let me know how that turns out.
Oh I get it. Thanks for the explanation from a BRAVE officer.
Gene

Newport News, VA

#40 Oct 7, 2008
who="Gaelic-Ioudaious "]<quoted text>
Pray tell- Secret Service being held liable for WHAT?
Your post is off 360*. There are procedures that are adhered to, and they did their jobs taking guns that WERE NOT PERMITTED to begin with.
The cops should have asked about this legal procedure prior to taking their service weapons.
There lies the stupidity- and your post. you have and I guess you lived in a family of hatred what I posted was a line of honesty now go kiss my a..

Since: Jul 08

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#41 Oct 7, 2008
Gaelic-Ioudaious wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is off 360*.
Maybe you mean it is off 180*. 360* would be the same.
Any Word

Newport News, VA

#42 Oct 7, 2008
Any of the officers get their weapons back? Or will those departments be stepping up enforcement and writing more tickets to get money to replace the illegally taken guns?

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