Is Peninsula Town Center a threat to City Center?

Dec 12, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Hampton Roads Daily Press

Or is it? At first glance, the two giant outdoor town centers on the Peninsula might seem like they could turn into a big-time rivalry, the town center equivalent of the Washington Redskins versus the Dallas Cowboys or Boston Celtics against the Los Angeles Lakers .

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What a mess

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#42
Sep 17, 2012
 
Hmm, reading that opencarry thread it would seem the PTC was enforcing their made up community standard on public land. There is no ban on photo taking, dogs, open carry on public land. Dogs can be ban on some beaches and other areas, but, there doesn't appear to be one in the public parks, streets here that I can find. The problem is Hampton and the PTC hide the fact the city now owns the infrastructure of this place just like downtown Hampton. The buildings are private, streets, parking, parks, not. Nice, city now picks up the tab, maintenance for "mall" parking. "Back at you", yeah agree with your reply, isn't a subordinate female dog a kept bitch?
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Oct 17, 2012
 
Yes PTC is a threat cuz alot of stores like Talbots, J Jill, etc left NN CC to go to PTC. Problem is NN CC doesn't get foot traffic as PTC. It lacks visibility from interstates, major highways and main streets like Jefferson Ave.

Yes it's off of Jefferson but you can't see NN CC while driving off Jefferson or Oyster Pt or J Clyde. There are also no anchor stores (like Dillards, Nordstrom, Macys) to draw customers. No extremely high profile chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory or P F Chains or McCormicks and Shmidts to draw consumers. NN CC was very poorly thought out. Even tho SOME of the demographics are favorable and attractive...people need to know that a business is near by so they can patronage the establishment...common sense *SMH*

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Ya'll need to look up "Agenda 21". There you will find the secret that Hampton has for you. This is a trend across the country and not just here.
It is very evil and ant-American!
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Nov 10, 2012
 
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
Ya'll need to look up "Agenda 21". There you will find the secret that Hampton has for you. This is a trend across the country and not just here.
It is very evil and ant-American!
Yeah, before it opened the PTC offered some business huge lease discounts to move from the CC, well it was posted in the local paper or here, as I recall. Given the number of businesses that have closed, the walled up store fronts, the lack of people I see there, and it it is a mess to have to walk that place in anything but good weather, driving thru it is a horror, I cannot imagine it is any better. You seem to not to understand the PTC is nothing more than an over priced glorified mall, basically strip mall construction, fake fronts. The CC is more in line with its name, built on city wide streets, buildings that look like they were built for a city street, downtown city hotel. The narrow streets will prevent any kind of solid tax earner that people are used to having, aka a drive up window. You are only going to get those 8 dollar a glass beer francishes, good luck with that. Last time I got dragged to that so called pub, looks like they have changed names, dress code, got to see some panties as the female staff bent over, lovely, sleaze, tacky alway sales, keeps Hooters in business.. B&N, JCP,, Targets, come on, a dimes dozen, torned down, abandon, rebuilt like a service station as needed. From what I have seen, the PTC isn't carrying it's weight in terms of tax revenue, probably explains layoffs and cut backs to services in Hampton. Hampton bet the farm on the PTC via of paying for the infrastructure of this place. Just read this thread.
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#46
Nov 10, 2012
 
Oops, was posting a reply to 757BARBEE.
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Nov 10, 2012
 
757Barbee wrote:
Yes PTC is a threat cuz alot of stores like Talbots, J Jill, etc left NN CC to go to PTC. Problem is NN CC doesn't get foot traffic as PTC. It lacks visibility from interstates, major highways and main streets like Jefferson Ave.
Yes it's off of Jefferson but you can't see NN CC while driving off Jefferson or Oyster Pt or J Clyde. There are also no anchor stores (like Dillards, Nordstrom, Macys) to draw customers. No extremely high profile chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory or P F Chains or McCormicks and Shmidts to draw consumers. NN CC was very poorly thought out. Even tho SOME of the demographics are favorable and attractive...people need to know that a business is near by so they can patronage the establishment...common sense *SMH*
Yeah, before it opened the PTC offered some business huge lease discounts to move from the CC, well it was posted in the local paper or here, as I recall. Given the number of businesses that have closed, the walled up store fronts, the lack of people I see there, and it it is a mess to have to walk that place in anything but good weather, driving thru it is a horror, I cannot imagine it is any better. You seem to not to understand the PTC is nothing more than an over priced glorified mall, basically strip mall construction, fake fronts. The CC is more in line with its name, built on city wide streets, buildings that look like they were built for a city street, downtown city hotel. The narrow streets will prevent any kind of solid tax earner that people are used to having, aka a drive up window. You are only going to get those 8 dollar a glass beer francishes, good luck with that. Last time I got dragged to that so called pub, looks like they have changed names, dress code, got to see some panties as the female staff bent over, lovely, sleaze, tacky alway sales, keeps Hooters in business.. B&N, JCP,, Targets, come on, a dimes dozen, torned down, abandon, rebuilt like a service station as needed. From what I have seen, the PTC isn't carrying it's weight in terms of tax revenue, probably explains layoffs and cut backs to services in Hampton. Hampton bet the farm on the PTC via of paying for the infrastructure of this place. Just read this thread.

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Shop In Williamsburg wrote:
Living between Williamsburg and Newport News, we went to the Hampton Town Center soon after it opened. We were there one evening with our dog to walk have grab a sandwich. We were immediately greeted by 2 Security officers and said we would have to leave because of the dog and that Town Center was private property...go figure. While exiting we had to navigate the street corner thugs who refused to move for pedestrian traffic, already staking out their rightful clams. Driving though Town Center was no different as folks would walk into the street to chat with friends in their cars while traffic is brought to a stop and horns begin to blow.
Typically we go to NN City Center for relaxing eveinig walks around the fountain, a bite to eat and the many activities and festivals. As for shopping. We also like to Newtown Center in Williamsburg as they have nice shops.
We will avoid the Hampton Town Center.....its not worth the aggravation. I don't think it will long until the Hampton Town Center turn into what was once the Colesium Mall.
If you look at many of the messages post a few years back, we were correct about the ghetto of Hampton. The Town Ctr is/was a failure. Targets should have stayed over near Walmarts. The only stores there are failures eccept the cookie cutter, large chain stores. Beamers was a bust from day 1.
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There are only ONE Walmart and ONE Target. The stores are not called WalmartS and TargetS.
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Dec 20, 2012
 
my take wrote:
<quoted text>If you look at many of the messages post a few years back, we were correct about the ghetto of Hampton. The Town Ctr is/was a failure. Targets should have stayed over near Walmarts. The only stores there are failures eccept the cookie cutter, large chain stores. Beamers was a bust from day 1.
http://emma.msrb.org/ER546746-ER423556-.pdf

Check the very bottom, Estimated Surplus, isn't that a negative amount? If so, guess were the money will be coming from to make this up to pay the bonds? Hampton as a 93 million investment in this place earmarking furture taxes to pay for it.

Check out http://www.hampton.gov/ivalue/pdf/budget_%20i... Hampon's reply to the question to why you pay a shoppers fee neatly leaving out the info of the 93 million in bonds issued on the city's behalf and being paid back from the taxes generated from here. That shoppers fee is just a very small amount, the taxes are the lion's share to pay the bonds off. Don't be fooled by the City Center was build using tax money, both the City Center and the PTC were. Newport News was upfront about it, Hampton hid it in a TIF and let that shopper's fee take the heat. The Hampton Tax payer should be upset by that not the shopper's fee. And yes if you walk this graveyard it doesn't seem to be pulling its weigh and is yet another failure.

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#51
Dec 21, 2012
 
I was in the Peninsula Town Center the other day. The streets were almost vacant and it's the Christmas season. The whole project is beginning to look like a boondoggle. If it fails, guess who has to pick up the tab?
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Dec 22, 2012
 
One more thing---more buisnesses(small) would move out if they had a buyer...hence, it's worse than stated.
How not to build a mall

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http://touch.dailypress.com/#section/702/arti...
Again, piss poor reporting by the Daily Press, that second 93.5 million in public bonds were issued on the city's behalf, aka it was created by the city, it is on paper only, and the head member of the CDA maps back to a city official. That the city committed city taxes for the next 30 years to pay off that debt. Same for the shopper's fee, it was created to pay off the bonds along with the taxes. Lovely, the city purchased, owns mall parking lots/decks, mall parks, mall road ways, street lighting and the builders default on the private mall bonds issued. Bet you Patrick Henrty Mall, et al. would like that free lunch. Tell me, if this place shuts down, what does the city have for its investment? Narrow, hard to drive streets, with 3 small token parks, and a multi level parking deck?
Not to worry, Hampton will revote these people back in. They hired that Genuis who designed the PTC to work his magic in downtown Hampton, again, since Hampton couldn't afford the PTC, guess we can expect another 90 million, 30 year tax debt, rebuild there too.
Gee, what a threat to the City Center. more like a threat to the tax payer of Hampton.
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Wow, PetSmart coming to the PTC, how upscale. What is the difference between being located in the PTC vs across the street in a strip mall/shopping plaza say where Petco is located ? Let's see, the strip mall/shopping plaza parking is near each store aka spans the space, you don't have to pay or seek out a very limited parking meter space on a narrow street where some know unknown percent of your money goes to charity after the malls cut, gee a private company collecting money from a public road, no shopper's fee, I can push 40 lb kitty litter in a shopping cart to my car. Oh, wait, a shopping cart isn't upscale at the PTC.

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