Scientists say they have proved climate change is real, now mus...

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Scientists studying the changing nature of the Earth's climate say they have completed one crucial task - proving beyond a doubt that global warming is real.
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neutral observer

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If you are referring to CFCs, that has nothing to do with global cooling or warming - it is ozone depletion. CFC migration to the upper atmosphere is estimated to take 50 years.
Man made global warming/greenhouse gasses are not only CO2, but methane (more potent than CO2) and water vapor. Our herds of ruminants are bad enough, but more warming also leads to more water vapor, and more warming can also release methane from natural sources in the tundra.
The herds of ruminants? Are you suggesting the wiping out of the bison herds in both North America and Eurasia was somehow good for the environment? Is the same true of African buffalo, antelope, etc?
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Has not the current global warming trend been going on since the end of the last Ice Age? Is it the Neanderthal's fault for taming fire?
Are you going to post what you believe erroneously or learn anew a little?

Fire is part of the natural events on Earth. However, ever-increasing emissions of greenhouse gases by human activities are not. Thus, the greenhouse effect that I repeat to you. So contrary to what you believe the current warming is man-made. Otherwise there would be cooling.
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SpaceBlues wrote:
it was Mitt.. his lack of regrets (“I’m very proud”), his delight at the crowds (“When you have 10,000 people cheering you, you get a real boost”), his confidence (“I just finished writing a victory speech”) and how he would reward himself in victory.
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Why Romney lost:

Over in Chicago, the Obama campaign had invited 10,000 to fill the floor of the McCormick Place convention center.

Romney’s election-night event was in a ballroom.....that could accommodate a few hundred. Most men wore jacket and tie; women donned dresses and heels. Secret Service agents blocked reporters from mixing with the Romney supporters as they sipped cocktails and nibbled canapes.

Romney had spent nearly two years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, trying to convince Americans that he wasn’t an out-of-touch millionaire unconcerned about the little people —
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litesong wrote:
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From the article:
Why Romney lost:
Over in Chicago, the Obama campaign had invited 10,000 to fill the floor of the McCormick Place convention center.
Romney’s election-night event was in a ballroom.....that could accommodate a few hundred. Most men wore jacket and tie; women donned dresses and heels. Secret Service agents blocked reporters from mixing with the Romney supporters as they sipped cocktails and nibbled canapes.
Romney had spent nearly two years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, trying to convince Americans that he wasn’t an out-of-touch millionaire unconcerned about the little people —
No. Mitt spent most of that time trying to make the tea-baggers forget that as governor of Massachusetts he was pro abortion rights, pro gay rights, pro gun control, pro sanctuary cities for undocumented aliens...

He was pretty much an Obama clone. Remember that he was the proud papa of Romneycare. Obama was merely Obomneycare's step-dad.

He lost because he started talking like a nativist wack-job to placate the border nazis. For some reason this turned off otherwise socially conservative Hispanics.
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Are you going to post what you believe erroneously or learn anew a little?

Fire is part of the natural events on Earth. However, ever-increasing emissions of greenhouse gases by human activities are not. Thus, the greenhouse effect that I repeat to you. So contrary to what you believe the current warming is man-made. Otherwise there would be cooling.
Man's use of fire is man-made. There are many perfectly natural sources of methane out there.
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Arctic sea ice, either by satellite or submarine data, is above the 2007 and 2011 Arctic sea ice extent AND, a month later than 'normal', the sea ice average for the decades of 2000's, AND THE 1990's, at 8,107,031 km2 (November 5, 2012), the day's gain Kentucky-sized, with temperatures above the 80th parallel now at -19 degC. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 7 weeks, temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, as low as -28 & -32degC! After the Arctic cold outbreak, which has added three plus feet of snow to the results of Hurricane Sandy, Arctic cold is once more building.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above 2007 AND 2011, the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's, the 1990's, & now the 1980's, at 8,182,813 km2 (November 6, 2012), the day's gain smaller than S. Carolina. Indeed, Arctic Ice Pack area, tho colder than normal for 3 weeks, beginning a month ago, is lower than the years, 2007 & 2008. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, numerous areas into minus teen digits. Many northern Canadian islands & Alaska have a mix of temperatures in the minus teens, with the lowest at -28 AND -33degC! Siberian temperatures are in the lower minus teens.

The vast open Arctic waters north of Siberia have been covered by Arctic Ice Pack. The huge sea ice floes that strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 7 weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?), have done their job AND connected the Ice Pack to the entire Siberian coastline, truly a remarkable development!

However, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard are still clear of the Ice Pack & so is the northern coast of Alaska!!!!!!

A detail noted 23 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Twenty two days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Twenty one days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!
Further data, show that the vortex is true!

Downwelling solar heats, in unusual clear Arctic Ocean & seas, normally sea ice covered in decades past, which have strongly transported extra solar energy to continental shelf, sea & Ocean depths for 4 months, is over. The sun is unseen anywhere above the 75th parallel, now shrouding the Arctic with darkness for a good portion of the year! Now, only Alaskan, far north European, & far western Russian southern Arctic seas get a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only single digit degrees off the horizon, at most!
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Man's use of fire is man-made. There are many perfectly natural sources of methane out there.
Right. Guess what? As another poster informed you, man-made global warming is defrosting the frozen beds in tundra etc. Thus unleashing more greenhouse gases <methane> to pollute our atmosphere.

The moral of the story is to curtail man-made emissions of greenhouse gases.
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litesong wrote:
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From the article:
Why Romney lost:
Over in Chicago, the Obama campaign had invited 10,000 to fill the floor of the McCormick Place convention center.
Romney’s election-night event was in a ballroom.....that could accommodate a few hundred. Most men wore jacket and tie; women donned dresses and heels. Secret Service agents blocked reporters from mixing with the Romney supporters as they sipped cocktails and nibbled canapes.
Romney had spent nearly two years, and hundreds of millions of dollars, trying to convince Americans that he wasn’t an out-of-touch millionaire unconcerned about the little people —
Yep. I will remember this election always. Especially the crying women for the loss.
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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Right. Guess what? As another poster informed you, man-made global warming is defrosting the frozen beds in tundra etc. Thus unleashing more greenhouse gases <methane> to pollute our atmosphere.
The moral of the story is to curtail man-made emissions of greenhouse gases.
Have you figured out how to stop emitting methane?
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Have you figured out how to stop emitting [natural] methane?
Have you figured out what I wrote in my previous post as the cause and the solution?

Hint: Reduce the man-made greenhouse gas emissions into our atmosphere.

P.S. You must be referring to the defrosting of the tundra etc.
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Is it the Neanderthal's fault for taming fire?
No.

Homo erectus—not Homo sapiens or Neanderthals—became the first hominin to master flames, possibly in order to cook their food.

http://www.history.com/news/human-ancestors-t...
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<quoted text>Yep. I will remember this election always. Especially the crying women for the loss.
Since women voted ~60+% AGAINST whats-his-name(romnesia made me forget romneyhood), you must have very good hearing to hear the few that are shedding crocodile tears.
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Have you figured out how to stop emitting methane?
don't eat beans or greasy food?
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Richard Kranium wrote:
<quoted text>don't eat beans or greasy food?
Not a problem for all. Only for some people.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The year in 4 part or season are Summer.fall.winter,spring Temperature is already predecided on the weather,,,Global Warming is predecided,,wheres the Beef?
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Richard Kranium wrote:
.....don't eat beans or greasy food?
A new diet says to replace corn with black beans.
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The melting ice really really means nothing. My bad make more beech front property. Soon everyone can afford some.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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Yeah, "Scientists say they have proved climate change is real," real boring!
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Brian_G wrote:
Yeah, "Scientists say they have proved climate change is real," real boring!
They also proved climate change is not real. Not boring!!

“dening those who deny nature. ”

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The melting ice really really means nothing. My bad make more beech front property. Soon everyone can afford some.
Yep, much of it is melting sea ice. Which will make no difference in sea level. hence the reason why you had the idea of thermal expansion tried.

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