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PHD

Houston, TX

#7124 Oct 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Adapting to climate change is real. Ice breakers and movable drilling platforms. Oil tankers.
Pipelines from Canada stopped by politicians. Fracking accused of water pollution. CO2 the thermal blanket thrown over the party of life. Climate alarmists stop offshore drilling.
Down with climate politics.
Now theres a prime example of an empty chair. No work to support what the _g claims.Down with useless babble show us your work.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#7125 Oct 17, 2012
PHD wrote:
Now theres a prime example of an empty chair. No work to support what the _g claims.Down with useless babble show us your work.
Good point, no experimental test of climate change mitigation. Show your work, indeed!

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#7126 Oct 17, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Chew on this: A paper this year by the world's leading climate scientist, James Hansen, shows that the frequency of extremely hot events (such as the droughts which hammered the US and Russia) has risen by a factor of about 50 by comparison with the decades before 1980. Forty years ago, extreme summer heat typically affected between 0.1 and 0.2% of the globe. Today it scorches some 10%. "We can project with a high degree of confidence," the paper warns, "that the area covered by extremely hot anomalies will continue to increase during the next few decades and even greater extremes will occur." Yet these extremes do not feature in the standard models predicting changes in crop production.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/...
Leading climate scientist or leading advoicate of man made climate chnage. The simple fact is that there are many who not only do not consider him the leading climate scientist but wrong and that includes other climate scientist and people at NASA.

Sorry, but claiming something is so will not make it any more so. Some would consider Dr William Grey, not Dr James Hansen the leading expert in climate. Actually, Dr Hansen is now more of an administrator and an activist than a scientist.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7127 Oct 17, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Leading climate scientist or leading advoicate of man made climate chnage. The simple fact is that there are many who not only do not consider him the leading climate scientist but wrong and that includes other climate scientist and people at NASA.
Sorry, but claiming something is so will not make it any more so. Some would consider Dr William Grey, not Dr James Hansen the leading expert in climate. Actually, Dr Hansen is now more of an administrator and an activist than a scientist.
Sorry, but claiming something is so will not make it any more so. Dr. Grey is certainly an expert on tropical storms, but there are many other climatologists who have as impressive credentials who disagree with his conclusions.
PHD

Houston, TX

#7128 Oct 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Good point, no experimental test of climate change mitigation. Show your work, indeed!
Ihave show my work. My bad you sown your work when it comes to that point above your shoulders. Hay_g you make claims the there is some sort of climate change unchange so show us your work. Try again use that etch a scetch method it seems to work well with you.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#7129 Oct 17, 2012
PHD wrote:
Ihave show my work. My bad you sown your work when it comes to that point above your shoulders. Hay_g you make claims the there is some sort of climate change unchange so show us your work. Try again use that etch a scetch method it seems to work well with you.
I'm skeptical of "climate change unchange", but I know there are no experiments(other than computer models) that show climate change mitigation can work.
PHD

Houston, TX

#7130 Oct 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm skeptical of "climate change unchange", but I know there are no experiments(other than computer models) that show climate change mitigation can work.
So show us your work. Show how experiments computer or other works based on your own research.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#7131 Oct 17, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver wrote:
Adapting to climate change is real. Ice breakers and movable drilling platforms. Oil tankers.
Adapting to AGW & increasing GHG's in the air, is like the Titanic adapting to a big ice berg tearing up its hull.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#7132 Oct 17, 2012
litesong wrote:
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Adapting to AGW & increasing GHG's in the air, is like the Titanic adapting to a big ice berg tearing up its hull.
The Titanic adapted perfectly well- it went to the bottom- it was just the people on it who had a hard time adapting.

A lot of people on spaceship Earth are going to find themselves in the same situation.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#7133 Oct 17, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Not true.
I know that you don't know this: Volcanoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about 1% of human CO2 emissions which is around 29 billion tonnes per year.
You can look at the Figure 1 here:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and...
to see some named volcano emissions-- The Mount Pinatubo eruption emitted 42 million tonnes of CO2 (Gerlach et al 1996). Compare this to human emissions in 1991: 23 billion tonnes of CO2 (CDIAC). The strongest eruption over the last half-century amounted to 0.2% of human CO2 emissions in that year.
How good are you in reading graphs and in arithmetic? Hope you'll convince yourself that you were wrong.
That is not what I stated. My point was not what the average volcano would have done. It is that there have been volcanic eruptions in the past of a vastly greater scale. Their effect on the climate is far greater than anything our technological society can do.

If Yellowstone to pick just one example...
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#7134 Oct 17, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Leading climate scientist or leading advoicate of man made climate chnage. The simple fact is that there are many who not only do not consider him the leading climate scientist but wrong and that includes other climate scientist and people at NASA.
Sorry, but claiming something is so will not make it any more so. Some would consider Dr William Grey, not Dr James Hansen the leading expert in climate. Actually, Dr Hansen is now more of an administrator and an activist than a scientist.
In truth climate change is more of an anti western political ideology than it is a science. It has the same relation to real science as does creationism.

When you start out trying to prove a point rather than letting the science guide you...
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#7135 Oct 17, 2012
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not what I stated. My point was not what the average volcano would have done. It is that there have been volcanic eruptions in the past of a vastly greater scale. Their effect on the climate is far greater than anything our technological society can do.
If Yellowstone to pick just one example...
What was your point?

I gave you facts that you did not like, right? What about the Yellowstone volcano? I mentioned three in the last century. Last time, Yellowstone erupted, Homosapiens were not around yet.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#7136 Oct 17, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is greater than the lowest minimum of 3 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 5,502,969 km2 (October 15, 2012), the day's fast sea ice increase more than the area of Minnesota! The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 3 plus weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel lower than the last week plus of dates, for 2007 & other recent years, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -24 degC.
Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent leapfrogged past the 2007 sea ice extent for yesterday's date & is above the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's, at 5,798,750 km2 (October 16, 2012), this day's sea ice leap, the size of S. Dakota! Temperatures above the 80th parallel average minus 16 degC, the past week's plus of temperatures below the same week of 2007 & other recent years. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, a broad swath of Siberia into the minus double digits, as low as -18 degC.
Arctic ice pack is much closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, beginning to encircle the islands. Sea ice connected to the islands is strongly developing around the islands(connecting one set of Russian islands to the mainland). Arctic Ice Pack is extending far south into the vast clear waters north of Alaska & Siberia.

A detail noted 7 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?
Six days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Five days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water! Further data seen yesterday, show that the vortex is true! Today, the vortex has moved to the west & ice floes close to the Ice Pack, weakly indicate such.
Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free, but narrowing greatly. Bulging southward sea ice at the west end of the Northwest Passage has filled the entire west end of the Northwest Passage, tho the east end is fairly ice free.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for four months(!) have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths. The extra solar heat transport is weakening very greatly however, since the sun is close to fully set 24 hours a day on the entire region north of the 80th parallel & even southern Arctic waters get only a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only double digit degrees off the horizon, at most!
Wild Bill

Chicago, IL

#7137 Oct 17, 2012
Climate change is real in Chicago. As in hotter in the summer and colder in the winter.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#7138 Oct 17, 2012
wild bill wrote:
Climate change is real in Chicago. As in hotter in the summer and colder in the winter.
Of course,'wild bill' is so wildly woefully wackily weirdly wide of the AGW crosshair, that his bullseye is billshit.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#7139 Oct 18, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
The Titanic adapted perfectly well- it went to the bottom- it was just the people on it who had a hard time adapting.
A lot of people on spaceship Earth are going to find themselves in the same situation.
Everyone on planet Earth is eventually going to find themself in the same situation, it's called dead, what's new?
PHD

Houston, TX

#7140 Oct 18, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Everyone on planet Earth is eventually going to find themself in the same situation, it's called dead, what's new?
Now if we can get that useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam hot air of your to do the same. Have you seen your care giver today?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#7141 Oct 18, 2012
Piled Higher and Deeper.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7142 Oct 18, 2012
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
That is not what I stated. My point was not what the average volcano would have done. It is that there have been volcanic eruptions in the past of a vastly greater scale. Their effect on the climate is far greater than anything our technological society can do.
If Yellowstone to pick just one example...
So your point of man made vs. natural greenhouse gasses is that CO2 emissions are like shooting somebody in the leg and a supervolcano is a head shot.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#7143 Oct 18, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>What was your point?
I gave you facts that you did not like, right? What about the Yellowstone volcano? I mentioned three in the last century. Last time, Yellowstone erupted, Homosapiens were not around yet.
Not when Yellowstone did, but humans were around when Toba went off.

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