Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 53996 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#1945 Jan 11, 2009
"Plain Jane wrote:
<quoted text>
Debunked by who? How could they debunk the ocean measurements recorded over a long period using state of the art equipment? You anti-warmistas repeatedly claim you want solid evidence and when that is presented you think you can just declare "debunked" and that invalidates it?

How is that warming itself is proof of the cause of climae?
How did warming without SUV's for countless millions of years take place?
How is it that despite so much debate the believers simply discount the very existence of of the opposing view?
If the only stance global warming has now is the "they say" what gives them the right to have any type of personal opinion of the theory's validity?
How long has this climate crisis being going on for?
Describe this crisis in detail (no googling).
How has this crisis in climate affected ourselves or someone we know personally?
Who was Rachel Carson?
Do we all have chocking fits when breathing the air?
Why are we living longer now than at any time in human history?
Should we miss living in smoke filled mud huts, fighting for the water hole and using peat moss for toilet paper?
What is the difference between sustainability and poverty?
Since La Nina delayed global warming, why is La Nina not considered stronger than all of the magical forces of global warming itself?
What would have to happen to prove the theory was wrong after all?
The theory started in 1986 and the IPCC has been making predictions of climate crisis for 19 years, so how much longer is the world’s longest emergency going to go on for?
How is the IPCC’s “precaution” or “we better do something just in case” worthy of being called an “exact” science, let alone consensus?
Why do we bow to scientists after they infected our planet with their evil chemicals and are being bought out by evil oil companies to kill clean technology?
Calling a paid consultant a scientist is not illegal we can assume?
Why isn’t there a shortage of Oxygen from all of this evil combustion?
Should we ban or just tax volcanoes?
When so-called scientists, hysterical corporate media, PR firms and pandering politicians all agree on one issue, should we be obedient or suspect?
How did the earth get to be 5 billion years old and not survive the effects of human monkeys?
Can the taxes we give politicians to lower the temperature of the planet make the grass greener and the sky bluer too?
Is the Tooth ferry real?
Do we enjoy threatening our children by denying them a future with their own grand kids and making everyone around us as miserable, frail, sensitive, frightened and hysterical as we are with this aging CO2 theory?
Describe the state of our environment without the CO2 threat?
Why do we always have to be motivated by crisis and not reason?
Will global warming be remembered in history along with Bush’s WMD neocon scam and witch burning?
Why are these predictors of doom not standing on street corners with signs that say what the dogma adds up to: THE END IS NEAR.
Are we in the least bit optimistic that this Armageddon prediction will be wrong after all?
If it takes consensus to prove the theory wrong, how can only simple consensus prove it right?
Would we be willing to work together to find a way to avoid war-causing oil and protect our environment instead of trying to rescue and tax our way out of a crisis that clearly does not exist?
Church Slave

Federal Way, WA

#1946 Jan 11, 2009
Somebody arrest Al Gore and his moron followers.
The are guilty of much more than stupidity--they have defrauded people out of millions of dollars.

We are entering perhaps even a new ice age--Not global warming.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922...

Thousands trapped in Madrid airport due to the snow and cold temps.
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMa...

Record cold and snow are stealing the news elsewhere. http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/200901...

Obama is such a ding-bat for falling for this global warming garbage. I hope someone stops him from signing us on any global warming treaty.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#1947 Jan 11, 2009
cgp wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. You rely on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Enough said.
No, again like a typical lib you jump to conclusions without facts to back them up.I do my own research and draw my own conclusions.
Plain Jane

San Francisco, CA

#1948 Jan 11, 2009
Church Slave wrote:
Somebody arrest Al Gore and his moron followers.
The are guilty of much more than stupidity--they have defrauded people out of millions of dollars.
We are entering perhaps even a new ice age--Not global warming.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922...
Thousands trapped in Madrid airport due to the snow and cold temps.
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMa...
Record cold and snow are stealing the news elsewhere. http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/200901...
Obama is such a ding-bat for falling for this global warming garbage. I hope someone stops him from signing us on any global warming treaty.
"Only idiots like those who post here using the "coldest winter in history" claims deny that global warming is in fact occurring."

And it showed up right on cue!
gLOBEL wARMING

Virginia Beach, VA

#1949 Jan 11, 2009
yOU ASK TO MANY QUESTIONS. aL gORE HAS A PLAN TO STOP THE CARBEN AND FIX THE OZONE HOLE.http://www.algore.com/
mememine69 wrote:
"Plain Jane wrote:
<quoted text>
Debunked by who? How could they debunk the ocean measurements recorded over a long period using state of the art equipment? You anti-warmistas repeatedly claim you want solid evidence and when that is presented you think you can just declare "debunked" and that invalidates it?
How is that warming itself is proof of the cause of climae?
How did warming without SUV's for countless millions of years take place?
How is it that despite so much debate the believers simply discount the very existence of of the opposing view?
If the only stance global warming has now is the "they say" what gives them the right to have any type of personal opinion of the theory's validity?
How long has this climate crisis being going on for?
Describe this crisis in detail (no googling).
How has this crisis in climate affected ourselves or someone we know personally?
Who was Rachel Carson?
Do we all have chocking fits when breathing the air?
Why are we living longer now than at any time in human history?
Should we miss living in smoke filled mud huts, fighting for the water hole and using peat moss for toilet paper?
What is the difference between sustainability and poverty?
Since La Nina delayed global warming, why is La Nina not considered stronger than all of the magical forces of global warming itself?
What would have to happen to prove the theory was wrong after all?
The theory started in 1986 and the IPCC has been making predictions of climate crisis for 19 years, so how much longer is the world’s longest emergency going to go on for?
How is the IPCC’s “precaution” or “we better do something just in case” worthy of being called an “exact” science, let alone consensus?
Why do we bow to scientists after they infected our planet with their evil chemicals and are being bought out by evil oil companies to kill clean technology?
Calling a paid consultant a scientist is not illegal we can assume?
Why isn’t there a shortage of Oxygen from all of this evil combustion?
Should we ban or just tax volcanoes?
When so-called scientists, hysterical corporate media, PR firms and pandering politicians all agree on one issue, should we be obedient or suspect?
How did the earth get to be 5 billion years old and not survive the effects of human ****?
Can the taxes we give politicians to lower the temperature of the planet make the grass greener and the sky bluer too?
Is the Tooth ferry real?
Do we enjoy threatening our children by denying them a future with their own grand kids and making everyone around us as miserable, frail, sensitive, frightened and hysterical as we are with this aging CO2 theory?
Describe the state of our environment without the CO2 threat?
Why do we always have to be motivated by crisis and not reason?
Will global warming be remembered in history along with Bush’s WMD neocon scam and witch burning?
Why are these predictors of doom not standing on street corners with signs that say what the dogma adds up to: THE END IS NEAR.
Are we in the least bit optimistic that this Armageddon prediction will be wrong after all?
If it takes consensus to prove the theory wrong, how can only simple consensus prove it right?
Would we be willing to work together to find a way to avoid war-causing oil and protect our environment instead of trying to rescue and tax our way out of a crisis that clearly does not exist?
Mr Big

Fitchburg, MA

#1950 Jan 11, 2009
flack wrote:
<quoted text>No, again like a typical lib you jump to conclusions without facts to back them up.I do my own research and draw my own conclusions.
There's nothing wrong with you that couldn't be cured with a little Prozac and a polo mallet, or, better yet, suicide. There's nothing wrong with you that couldn't be cured with a little Prozac and a polo mallet, or, better yet, suicide
That post is written by something so confused, it doesn't know whether to scratch its watch or wind its @ss.
Pachelbel

Southold, NY

#1951 Jan 11, 2009
Plain Jane wrote:
<quoted text>
The main thrust of the PBS - Now documentary was measurements over an extended period of time at various depths of temperature, currents and acidity levels and the effect that those have on the ocean's health and the ocean's effect on land temperatures, none of which have been refuted by any scientists. The vast majority of skeptical scientists (and there aren't many) don't deny that global warming is occurring and or that it is primarily anthropogenic. Most question how much of a threat it really is and whether the costs of trying to stop it are justified by the expected results. Only idiots like those who post here using the "coldest winter in history" claims deny that global warming is in fact occurring. There is proof positive that carbon sequestration by the oceans is increasing acidity levels at an alarming rate and the effect of increased acidity on sea life is also proven. There is also proof that ocean temperatures are increasing due to their absorption of heat from increased elevated atmospheric temperatures and that warming will accelerate once it reaches the tipping point without any increase in atmospheric temperatures. The effects of changes in temperature on currents and their effect on land masses has also been proven.
You reminded of another point I forgot to include which wouldn't have been available to this "documentary?"

The Atlantic Ocean Conveyor cycling warm surface waters north and cold submerged waters south has just kicked back into high gear.

Also it's amazing to me that so much has been scientifically proven when I'm told time and again by scientists on these boards that science is not about proof but rather about observation and it's impact on the best fit theory.
dom

United States

#1952 Jan 11, 2009
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Love this atmospheric CO2 counter....counts to the 8th decimal place! At the 8th decimal place the CO2 counter is clicking quicker than 1 tenth of a second per uptick number.
Not quite sure, but think each number tick in the 8th place represents about 100 TONS of CO2 emitted in the world or quicker than a 1000 TONS of CO2 per second. Maybe the good mathematicians can correct me.
Sorta like the population clock or the national debt clock. Garbage in, garbage out.
Plain Jane

San Francisco, CA

#1953 Jan 11, 2009
Pachelbel wrote:
<quoted text>
You reminded of another point I forgot to include which wouldn't have been available to this "documentary?"
The Atlantic Ocean Conveyor cycling warm surface waters north and cold submerged waters south has just kicked back into high gear.
Also it's amazing to me that so much has been scientifically proven when I'm told time and again by scientists on these boards that science is not about proof but rather about observation and it's impact on the best fit theory.
Supporting link to source and scientific analysis?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#1954 Jan 11, 2009
gLOBEL wARMING wrote:
yOU ASK TO MANY QUESTIONS. aL gORE HAS A PLAN TO STOP THE CARBEN AND FIX THE OZONE HOLE.http://www.algore.com/
<quoted text>
WILL YOU FOR CHRISSAKE TURN OFF YOUR FRIGGIN' CAPS LOCK, YOU ETERNAL DIMWIT?!

“"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" ”

Since: Jul 07

MN -now- Hampton Roads

#1955 Jan 11, 2009
I think we do affect the rate of global warming and that between the loss of the temperate rain forests, the thawing of the permafrost and the potential for the stopping of the Atlantic current...we may of already passed a point where we can do much of anything to stop it...
dom

United States

#1956 Jan 11, 2009
Plain Jane wrote:
<quoted text>
Debunked by who? How could they debunk the ocean measurements recorded over a long period using state of the art equipment? You anti-warmistas repeatedly claim you want solid evidence and when that is presented you think you can just declare "debunked" and that invalidates it?
"long period using state of the art equipment??

Which is it? Long time, or state of art?
Curious

United States

#1957 Jan 11, 2009
http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0200/frameset_...

For those that believe people are causing global warming, I have one question. Is there any evidence that what raised the global temperatures 10,000 years ago is idle now?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#1958 Jan 11, 2009
I deny the three lies.

The climate change trend is way out.
Climate change is so bad.
Man did it.

Let the AGWarmists do some science, prove it.
Plain Jane

San Francisco, CA

#1959 Jan 11, 2009
Curious wrote:
http://www.nebraskastudies.org /0200/frameset_reset.html?http ://www.nebraskastudies.org/020 0/stories/0201_0105.html
For those that believe people are causing global warming, I have one question. Is there any evidence that what raised the global temperatures 10,000 years ago is idle now?
Yes. The level of volcanic activity and huge meteor strike caused fire storms are a tiny fraction today of what they were 10,000 years ago.
cgp

Evanston, IL

#1960 Jan 11, 2009
flack wrote:
<quoted text>No, again like a typical lib you jump to conclusions without facts to back them up.I do my own research and draw my own conclusions.
What are your primary sources of information? You're not going to pull a Sarah Palin here and say 'all of 'em', I hope.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#1961 Jan 11, 2009
Pachelbel wrote:
<quoted text>
You've said the same before and I asked you to present some evidence. Your evidence seems to be to repeat the same as hominem attacks nearly verbatim.
Before you present a source, check them out. Try sourcewatch.org or factcheck.org .

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#1962 Jan 11, 2009
Climate tax. CO2 tax. Fossil fuel tax, gas tax, oil tax, coal tax. Electricity tax, heating tax, car tax, freedom tax.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#1963 Jan 11, 2009
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
Before you present a source, check them out. Try sourcewatch.org or factcheck.org .
http://co2sceptics.com/index.php
Pachelbel

Southold, NY

#1964 Jan 11, 2009
Plain Jane wrote:
<quoted text>
Supporting link to source and scientific analysis?
Sorry, I had intended to include this:

http://media-newswire.com/release_1083196.htm...

here's another which might be of interest:

http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/ac...

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