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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34697 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Fair Game might be catching on, experiments are deliberate procedures to test theories.
Not only are experiments deliberate, they attempt to control one variable while measuring another variable.
So deliberately releasing CO2 would be an experiment?

Only problem is, your experimental method wouldn't work.
Brian_G wrote:
And we've never tested the greenhouse effect of CO2, if we nuke an underground coal mine that's been enriched with oxygen, can we produce enough CO2 to make a measurable change in temperature? Might be worth a try.
How can we produce enough CO2 to make a measurable change?

By burning coal or oil, of course.

So burning coal or oil deliberately would be an experiment.

Burning it in power stations would not?

A schoolboy would see that that is idiotic.

The fact that you repeat the idiocy makes it obvious that you are simply a troll.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34698 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This argument doesn't discuss the issues, it has nothing to say about either man made catastrophic global warming or climate change mitigation. This argument is just cyberbullying and insults.
Ad hominem arguments are fallacies; many alarmists don't understand logic or science.
Oh you poor little thing?

Are you being bullied?

It's pretty obvious you are pitching your arguments to the less well educated, who won't know one end of a scientific argument from another, but hate being condescended to, and hate seeing another less well educated person being condescended to.

So you make stupid arguments knowing the less well educated won't spot how stupid they are, or won't care, and clutch your pearls and appeal for sympathy.

Just an appeal for the less smart to shoot themselves in the foot rather than listen to smart people you and they resent so much.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#34700 Mar 25, 2013
dekajed wrote:
Arguing with these people is pointless. The earth is flat and u r a heretic if u say otherwise. "They" can't or won't believe empirical data. How can anyone form an opinion if they refuse facts. Capitalism and the free market will save us. Apparently according to one moron all we need to do is adapt by moving. I for one can't wait for the big die off.
Do you threaten your kids with this bullshit? You need to be a real planet lover and be happy not disappointed a climate crisis was a tragic exaggeration. Maybe you just hate humanity and want to drag us all down with you in your miserable life. I'm a capitalist and I've worked for what I have. I didn't do it at your expense. Get ahead of the curve and stop acting like a fear mongering neocon. We don't have to love the planet with your fear.
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.*

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#34701 Mar 25, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
So deliberately releasing CO2 would be an experiment, whereas simply releasing CO2 is not an experiment?
I think even a schoolchild would be able to spot that you are simply a troll.
27 years of wrong predictions of a coming climate crisis proves it was an exaggeration and you and the neocons sit and wish this misery was real. Nice!

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34702 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's called 'exhaling', it's not an experiment either. You really should learn what experiments are and how they are used to test theories so you can understand science.
Sure, Brian, I guess what all those coal-fired power plants are doing is "exhaling." Same thing with cars. They're just breathing. I get it now. You're SO clever.

If you live long enough, you'll come to see that we're right & you're terribly, terribly wrong. If you don't, your progeny will.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#34703 Mar 25, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>27 years of wrong predictions of a coming climate crisis proves it was an exaggeration and you and the neocons sit and wish this misery was real. Nice!
Of course, you're dead WRONG again. More than 30 years ago, Hansen et al made a remarkbly accurate set of predictions about what would happen to temperatures & other aspects of climate. If you dare, read it:

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hans...

Actual temperatures turned out to be a BIT higher than they predicted, but it was close enough. They also predicted other things that have subsequently happened: shifting climatic zones, drought in central North America & Asia, unstable ice sheets & the opening of the Northwest Passage.

Why don't you find ONE denier who was so accurate in predicting things so far into the future? One, just one.
litesong

Everett, WA

#34704 Mar 25, 2013
brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver wrote:
This argument is just cyberbullying and insults.
More accurately:
"brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" gives out slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms AND 4 alleged & 3 proud threats.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#34705 Mar 25, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course, you're dead WRONG again. More than 30 years ago, Hansen et al made a remarkbly accurate set of predictions about what would happen to temperatures & other aspects of climate. If you dare, read it:
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hans...
Actual temperatures turned out to be a BIT higher than they predicted, but it was close enough. They also predicted other things that have subsequently happened: shifting climatic zones, drought in central North America & Asia, unstable ice sheets & the opening of the Northwest Passage.
Why don't you find ONE denier who was so accurate in predicting things so far into the future? One, just one.
Show me one single IPCC warning report not full of "maybes". Science has never said any crisis was certain, imminent, eventual,inevitable or "WILL" happen. Science says comet hits are a real eventual crisis and has NEVER said the same for climate change crisis. Prove me wrong!27 years of maybe means won't be. Deny that Doomer.
commoncents

Hartford, CT

#34707 Mar 25, 2013
One very hot or cold year regionally or globally= no big deal. The main concern is trends over decades. In 1934 the ice caps were ok. the glacier melt provinding water to billions of people annually= ok. now the arctic is disappearing....the glacers are retreating at an alarmingly rapid geological rate a threat to the store of clean water for billions of people. 1934 is not even the tip of any well thought argument against the rapidly worsening warming trend.
commoncents

Hartford, CT

#34708 Mar 25, 2013
Yes i saw and read the report thank you. It was very detailed. First page= admits C02 is responsible for global warming trends. first page= admits human activity is causing c02 release into the atmospere, read read read read read etc. then read the last page.........closer.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34709 Mar 25, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
So deliberately releasing CO2 would be an experiment? Only problem is, your experimental method wouldn't work. How can we produce enough CO2 to make a measurable change? By burning coal or oil, of course. So burning coal or oil deliberately would be an experiment. Burning it in power stations would not? A schoolboy would see that that is idiotic. The fact that you repeat the idiocy makes it obvious that you are simply a troll.
"An experiment is a orderly procedure carried out with the goal of verifying, falsifying, or establishing the validity of a hypothesis. Experiments provide insight into cause-and-effect by demonstrating what outcome occurs when a particular factor is manipulated. Experiments vary greatly in their goal and scale, but always rely on repeatable procedure and logical analysis of the results."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment

If Fair Game finds that explanation 'idiotic', it reflects on his understanding of science.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34710 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Evolution isn't an experiment. They believe in catastrophic man made global warming because they don't understand science.
You are clueless.

Because you don't understand science, you post such nonsense.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34711 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>"An experiment is a orderly procedure carried out with the goal of verifying, falsifying, or establishing the validity of a hypothesis. Experiments provide insight into cause-and-effect by demonstrating what outcome occurs when a particular factor is manipulated. Experiments vary greatly in their goal and scale, but always rely on repeatable procedure and logical analysis of the results."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment
If Fair Game finds that explanation 'idiotic', it reflects on his understanding of science.
You actually believe you are a scientist when you are not one iota.

<Too late for you to face reality like the other deniers who dropped out before a concession>
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34712 Mar 25, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh you poor little thing?
Are you being bullied?
It's pretty obvious you are pitching your arguments to the less well educated, who won't know one end of a scientific argument from another, but hate being condescended to, and hate seeing another less well educated person being condescended to.
So you make stupid arguments knowing the less well educated won't spot how stupid they are, or won't care, and clutch your pearls and appeal for sympathy.
Just an appeal for the less smart to shoot themselves in the foot rather than listen to smart people you and they resent so much.
My sentiments as well. Great post!
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34713 Mar 25, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>to another poster:
Show me one single IPCC warning report not full of "maybes". Science has never said any crisis was certain, imminent, eventual,inevitable or "WILL" happen. Science says comet hits are a real eventual crisis and has NEVER said the same for climate change crisis. Prove me wrong!27 years of maybe means won't be. Deny that Doomer.
Look. You are boring and bored.

How about reading this for new vistas?

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm
Ready

Point Harbor, NC

#34714 Mar 25, 2013
How about a world war that kills off 2 thirds of the world population. Maybe we need to go a little more letís take it down to 1 eighth of where it is now.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34715 Mar 25, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
You are clueless. Because you don't understand science, you post such nonsense.
I don't post 'evolution is an experiment', gcaveman1 does. Experiments are done by intent, with as much control as possible, they aren't done by nature.

If you disagree, then why don't you post a definition of experiment?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34716 Mar 25, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
You actually believe you are a scientist when you are not one iota.
^^^This is untrue, I've posted I'm not a scientist and I'll repeat that again. I don't design experiments for my living, I just happen to know the difference between an experiment and nature or man's fossil fuel use.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<Too late for you to face reality like the other deniers who dropped out before a concession>
^^^I'll be happy to debate your definition of experiment, why don't you post one?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#34717 Mar 25, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
Oh you poor little thing? Are you being bullied?
I won't be bullied and I'll call Patriot AKA Bozo on bullying opponents to "Shut up." This is a forum for argument, bullying and insults have no place.

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Fair Game wrote:
It's pretty obvious you are pitching your arguments to the less well educated, who won't know one end of a scientific argument from another, but hate being condescended to, and hate seeing another less well educated person being condescended to.
I pitch my arguments to everyone, even Fair Game. Please post the most compelling experiment for climate change mitigation that you've found. I haven't found any.

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Fair Game wrote:
So you make stupid arguments knowing the less well educated won't spot how stupid they are, or won't care, and clutch your pearls and appeal for sympathy.
I respect other posters, I never call them 'stupid'; this is where we differ. I'd rather treat someone respectfully and respond to their arguments than discuss motives or trade insults.

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Fair Game wrote:
Just an appeal for the less smart to shoot themselves in the foot rather than listen to smart people you and they resent so much.
Not everyone with a college degree is smart and not everyone who doesn't graduate high school is stupid. This issue is controversial; I'm just telling my side.

I don't believe in climate change mitigation because there are no experiments, tests, trials or demonstration that show it's possible or won't cause more harm than good. If you find a compelling experiment, please post. I'll wait.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34718 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I don't post 'evolution is an experiment', gcaveman1 does. Experiments are done by intent, with as much control as possible, they aren't done by nature.
If you disagree, then why don't you post a definition of experiment?
Listen, I'm not here to educate you about science experiments.

As someone who can design/conduct science experiments, my purpose here is the thread/forum subject, not you.

I see clearly that you are here to confuse the uneducated/uninitiated just as Fair Game has described correctly your presence here. I feel sorry for you that you have done this for years and years.

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