Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9791 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Mom23

Lexington, TN

#9892 Aug 3, 2014
VACCINE INDUCED AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS - PubMed - NCBI... information on 786 studies spreading across 79 pages.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/...

My nephew died from a vaccine injury. WE learned the hard way.

Do your research.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9893 Aug 3, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
VACCINE INDUCED AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS - PubMed - NCBI... information on 786 studies spreading across 79 pages.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/...
My nephew died from a vaccine injury. WE learned the hard way.
Do your research.
So, have you read all 786 studies. I am sure you have not.

You need to be specific: of which vaccine are you referencing?
Who informed you that it was a vaccine injury that resulted in your nephews death? How old was your nephew when this happened?
scared

Cleveland, TN

#9894 Aug 3, 2014
EBOLA!!!
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9895 Aug 3, 2014
scared wrote:
EBOLA!!!
Don't worry, you have a 10% chance of surviving if you are infected.
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9897 Aug 3, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
VACCINE INDUCED AUTOIMMUNE DISORDERS - PubMed - NCBI... information on 786 studies spreading across 79 pages.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/...
My nephew died from a vaccine injury. WE learned the hard way.
Do your research.
Really? What was is name, I'd like to read the details. I'm sure there is a write up.
loveable one

United States

#9901 Aug 4, 2014
YES
Mom23

Lexington, TN

#9902 Aug 4, 2014
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>Really? What was is name, I'd like to read the details. I'm sure there is a write up.
There was no "write up" this happened before 1982, before the national program to pay for injuries.
His name isn't important to you anyway, your agenda is pretty clear.
You're here to derail this thread, the truth is not your goal.

Tell me, when the ebola vaccine is fast tracked to the market, will you line up for it?
Your trust is unshakeable, so will you be first in line?
Will you?
How about your children?
The estimated first year earning is expected to be 1.8 billion.

An industry with no liability, no...consequences if you are injured. or God forbid, die as a result, so will you?

We need guinea pigs, and since you are so gung-ho...so adamant about all this, volunteer, do the right thing and let the only business in the world who faces no reprisal, test this vaccine out on you.

You are unshakeable in your faith, vaccines are totally safe.
So you go first, and get back to the rest of us on that.
scared

Fairview, NC

#9903 Aug 4, 2014
EBOLA!!!!!
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9904 Aug 4, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
<quoted text>
There was no "write up" this happened before 1982, before the national program to pay for injuries.
His name isn't important to you anyway, your agenda is pretty clear.
You're here to derail this thread, the truth is not your goal.
Tell me, when the ebola vaccine is fast tracked to the market, will you line up for it?
Your trust is unshakeable, so will you be first in line?
Will you?
How about your children?
The estimated first year earning is expected to be 1.8 billion.
An industry with no liability, no...consequences if you are injured. or God forbid, die as a result, so will you?
We need guinea pigs, and since you are so gung-ho...so adamant about all this, volunteer, do the right thing and let the only business in the world who faces no reprisal, test this vaccine out on you.
You are unshakeable in your faith, vaccines are totally safe.
So you go first, and get back to the rest of us on that.
You did not answer my questions asked in my previous post. Until you do this, your comments are to be dismissed as furthering your own agenda.

WTH has respect for evidence--provide scientifically accptable evidence that vaccines are more harmful than good, then he and I might change our opinion. Because you do not understand the nature of scientific evidence it is you who are unshakeable in your faith. The evidence provided vby your claim about your nephew is anecdotal, and you have, not even shown that it was the vaccine (which one?) led to your nephews death--so your anecdote does not stand up to examination.
Mom23

Lexington, TN

#9905 Aug 4, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not answer my questions asked in my previous post. Until you do this, your comments are to be dismissed as furthering your own agenda.
WTH has respect for evidence--provide scientifically accptable evidence that vaccines are more harmful than good, then he and I might change our opinion. Because you do not understand the nature of scientific evidence it is you who are unshakeable in your faith. The evidence provided vby your claim about your nephew is anecdotal, and you have, not even shown that it was the vaccine (which one?) led to your nephews death--so your anecdote does not stand up to examination.
This is my third post in this thread.
My first was a link to nearly 200 studies. I'm sure you've read them all by now, being a rocket scientist and all.

So, dismiss me, dismiss my nephew as "anecdotal" that's your prerogative.
You won't find his name on any federal report, my sibling accepted that medicine isn't perfect, sometimes things just happen.

Then the liability shield came along, the number of injuries began to pour into VAERS and computers in the home became common place.
Information is accessible today that parents didn't have in those days.

I saw the posts here, and WOW (who, I agree, needs to cut back on the caffeine) is correct, exemptions are available in Tennessee,this needs to be explained to people who don't know they have a choice.

Everyone has the right to decide, and if you have a history of autoimmune problems in your family, there are tough decisions to be made.
My eldest siblings have medical waivers, after what happened to their brother.

My children have had all their vaccines. That was my choice.

As it should be.
Guest

Greenbrier, AR

#9906 Aug 4, 2014
Haha
Mom23

Lexington, TN

#9907 Aug 4, 2014
My last post might not be clear on the point of the medical waiver.
My eldest sibling has 2 living children, after what happened to the eldest child, their doctor issued waivers to his next 2 children.
They are grown now, with children of their own. They do not give vaccines.

My sibling inherited our mothers genes, autoimmune issues and all.
I, however did not.
After researching libraries and discovering the link between the two, I made the decision to give them to my children.

The lawsuit that brought about the liability shield for vaccine makers wasn't filed against a manufacturer, it was filed against a doctor (Dr. Tayloe Sr.) who gave a second dose of a vaccine to a child who'd had an adverse event after the first shot.

How that translates to immunity for manufacturers (especially after the Cuttler incident) is beyond me.

We know from surveys that doctors report less than 10% of the injuries, which translates to misinformation on the release form parents sign.

People need to understand they do have a choice, and if there are existing autoimmune disorders in their family, there is a definite link.

Now you can shout all you want with your "prove it" thing.

I've seen all I need to see to make my own personal decision, other parents need to understand the risks are under reported and very real.

Do you have a vested interest in vaccine sales?

Oh, I was wrong about the projections for the ebola vaccine.
It's 1.3 billion expected in first quarter sales, not "year" as posted.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9908 Aug 4, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
My last post might not be clear on the point of the medical waiver.
My eldest sibling has 2 living children, after what happened to the eldest child, their doctor issued waivers to his next 2 children.
They are grown now, with children of their own. They do not give vaccines.
My sibling inherited our mothers genes, autoimmune issues and all.
I, however did not.
After researching libraries and discovering the link between the two, I made the decision to give them to my children.
The lawsuit that brought about the liability shield for vaccine makers wasn't filed against a manufacturer, it was filed against a doctor (Dr. Tayloe Sr.) who gave a second dose of a vaccine to a child who'd had an adverse event after the first shot.
How that translates to immunity for manufacturers (especially after the Cuttler incident) is beyond me.
We know from surveys that doctors report less than 10% of the injuries, which translates to misinformation on the release form parents sign.
People need to understand they do have a choice, and if there are existing autoimmune disorders in their family, there is a definite link.
Now you can shout all you want with your "prove it" thing.
I've seen all I need to see to make my own personal decision, other parents need to understand the risks are under reported and very real.
Do you have a vested interest in vaccine sales?
Oh, I was wrong about the projections for the ebola vaccine.
It's 1.3 billion expected in first quarter sales, not "year" as posted.
You have missed the point of my comments.

Your having seen all. You need to in order to make your personal decision is hardly an argument.

Seems more like a statement of faith.

To say that the pharms are responsible in the case of your nephew is like saying that Planter's is responsible for a person's reaction to peanuts. The doctor mentioned who had seen the reaction to the first shot should have known better and therefore should be held responsible.

Your comment that i have an interest in the big pharms, and the amount of money that the pharms will make from the sales of an ebola vaccine are quite off topic. Such attacks indicate that you have a weak argument.

Again, you have not indicated which vaccine is the culprit.
Mom23

Lexington, TN

#9909 Aug 4, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
You have missed the point of my comments.
Your having seen all. You need to in order to make your personal decision is hardly an argument.
Seems more like a statement of faith.
To say that the pharms are responsible in the case of your nephew is like saying that Planter's is responsible for a person's reaction to peanuts. The doctor mentioned who had seen the reaction to the first shot should have known better and therefore should be held responsible.
Your comment that i have an interest in the big pharms, and the amount of money that the pharms will make from the sales of an ebola vaccine are quite off topic. Such attacks indicate that you have a weak argument.
Again, you have not indicated which vaccine is the culprit.
I don't know which vaccine caused the injury. They give several in one visit.
The doctor wrote "vaccine induced encephalopathy" on the death certificate.

Maybe he should called for your expert opinion.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9910 Aug 5, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know which vaccine caused the injury. They give several in one visit.
The doctor wrote "vaccine induced encephalopathy" on the death certificate.
Maybe he should called for your expert opinion.
Why didn't you say this in your first post? That would have cleared some things from the start.

Regarding encephalopathy see

http://www.medicinenet.com/encephalopathy/pag...

Regarding "vaccine induced encephalopathy" see

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2011/08/19/a...

So, using the same standards of evidence as you apparently do, there may be some question as to whether the doctor got the cause of death quite right.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9911 Aug 5, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know which vaccine caused the injury. They give several in one visit.
The doctor wrote "vaccine induced encephalopathy" on the death certificate.
Maybe he should called for your expert opinion.
By the way, gow up and refrain from the personal insults in your posts. Including those reveals more about you than me.
Zeke

Paris, TN

#9912 Aug 5, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know which vaccine caused the injury. They give several in one visit.
The doctor wrote "vaccine induced encephalopathy" on the death certificate.
Maybe he should called for your expert opinion.
I forgot: include sarcasm in my previous.
Not Sassy

United States

#9913 Aug 5, 2014
You should have asked them yourself
Mom23

Lexington, TN

#9914 Aug 5, 2014
Zeke wrote:
<quoted text>
You have missed the point of my comments.
Your having seen all. You need to in order to make your personal decision is hardly an argument.
Seems more like a statement of faith.
To say that the pharms are responsible in the case of your nephew is like saying that Planter's is responsible for a person's reaction to peanuts. The doctor mentioned who had seen the reaction to the first shot should have known better and therefore should be held responsible.
Your comment that i have an interest in the big pharms, and the amount of money that the pharms will make from the sales of an ebola vaccine are quite off topic. Such attacks indicate that you have a weak argument.
Again, you have not indicated which vaccine is the culprit.
If anyone has missed the point, it's you.

The original poll is "Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July"

I gave the example of my siblings child, cited reputable studies validating my nephews death, and then cited my own reason for vaccinating my children after having used a risk/benefit analysis.

You post links to blogs, sling insults and inflame anyone who posts here. Well, other than WTH, who seems to be your BFF.

I'm taking my "caffeine" comment back.

YOU'RE AN AZZ!!!!!!

Does your mommy know you're spending all day on the net?
I say "mommy" because anyone as intent on starting an argument as you would get fired from any means of gainful employment.

Good day,
azzhole
WTH

Knoxville, TN

#9916 Aug 5, 2014
Mom23 wrote:
<quoted text>
There was no "write up" this happened before 1982, before the national program to pay for injuries.
His name isn't important to you anyway, your agenda is pretty clear.
You're here to derail this thread, the truth is not your goal.
Tell me, when the ebola vaccine is fast tracked to the market, will you line up for it?
Your trust is unshakeable, so will you be first in line?
Will you?
How about your children?
The estimated first year earning is expected to be 1.8 billion.
An industry with no liability, no...consequences if you are injured. or God forbid, die as a result, so will you?
We need guinea pigs, and since you are so gung-ho...so adamant about all this, volunteer, do the right thing and let the only business in the world who faces no reprisal, test this vaccine out on you.
You are unshakeable in your faith, vaccines are totally safe.
So you go first, and get back to the rest of us on that.
Where did you see that I posted that vaccines were totally safe? Please post that comment number or rescind you statement. You say "we" need guinea pigs. Really who is this "we" you speak of and what is your product. I should know this before I sign on.
So it sounds like you don't really have this "nephew" since you don't have a name and it supposedly took place over THREE decades ago. You do know that there were newspapers in 1982, right?

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