Seven College Students In VA Arrested On Drug Distribution Charges

There are 13 comments on the Usdoj.gov story from Apr 12, 2007, titled Seven College Students In VA Arrested On Drug Distribution Charges. In it, Usdoj.gov reports that:

Seven students at Hampden-Sydney College in Prince Edward County, Virginia were arrested today on federal charges following a joint local, state, and federal narcotics distribution investigation. via Usdoj.gov

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DB HSC Alum

Pfafftown, NC

#1 Apr 15, 2007
It is sad that one group and one Fraternity Chi Phi can ruin such a great college's year so close to graduation. These kids deserve what they get. According to sources this is not some simple dealing charge. These guys have been watched for some time and with plenty of evidence against them. The feds don't get involved unless they can make big charges. Expect a conspiracy charge to follow. Expect further federal charges on individuals and expect some to walk clean when they give up their connection in Richmond.
Lexington Kentucky

Franklin, OH

#2 Apr 15, 2007
I am sorry for those boys. I hope that it will help others see that this is a HUGE issue everywhere, and try to help college students understand the devastation of such choices, long before they are in trouble this way. I am on the Mayors Alliance for Drugs and Alcohol for TEENS, it is a problem everywhere, it starts with educating parents about the brain, and why the legal age is 21. Brains are not developed until age 23 at least.
For more information see Dr. Aaron White, DUKE UNIVERSITY webpage, he is nationally recognized expert on teens and young adults, alcohol and drugs. We need to see this as a motivation to help our young people. We know so much more than we did in earlier generations. EDUCATE PARENTS, they are the models. Lets help teach HEALTHY CHOICES. WE can have fun without drinking and certainly we dont need drugs, college students see it all the same sometimes.
Spartan

Fort Payne, AL

#3 Apr 15, 2007
DB HSC Alum wrote:
It is sad that one group and one Fraternity Chi Phi can ruin such a great college's year so close to graduation. These kids deserve what they get. According to sources this is not some simple dealing charge. These guys have been watched for some time and with plenty of evidence against them. The feds don't get involved unless they can make big charges. Expect a conspiracy charge to follow. Expect further federal charges on individuals and expect some to walk clean when they give up their connection in Richmond.
Very interesting point of view regarding your statement "The feds don't get involved unless they can make big charges." I disagree with it completely. It would be best to check with your sources. Would these reliable sources happen to be feds? It is very public knowledge that the feds bring cases against anyone at any time with or without evidence of a crime. If you are not aware it only takes two witnesses to testify in court that they committed an illegal act with someone for that person to be convicted. That is the entire premises behind the conspiracy laws as you were so clear to point out would be brought into play in this case. I am not defending these kids at all. I only feel it is necessary to be realistic about the state of the federal judicial system and the power that a federal prosecutor posses. The feds have a 98% conviction rate. Why is this? Is it the result of exemplarily work done by law enforcement or the fact that a prosecutor, backed by the US government with unlimited recourses can tell a defendant that if they do not accept a plea agreement for 5-10 years then they will make sure that person receives 30 or more years? It takes two people to say that they purchased drugs from an individual that was arrested with no other evidence of drug association. It takes two people that in more cases than any have been arrested and are working to receive a downward departure form their own sentence to simply lie and or exaggerate the facts in order to assist a prosecutor in receiving a conviction. These kids lives were over the minute an investigation started. There is no way to fight a judicial system that is backed with unlimited money and resources. Again I do not condone or defend these kidsí actions. I only resent the public perception and the so called "sources" for not being forthcoming with how the system works and believing that there must be a big case before the feds are involved. You may be comfortable spending your tax dollars to feed, house and provide limited medical treatment to first time non violent drug addicts locked up for 5-10 years in federal prison but I am not.
HSC Alum

Pfafftown, NC

#4 Apr 15, 2007
Spartan,

I don't disagree. You make valid and solid points. My point is that even the original press release says this has been months in the making and more charges are pending in the grand jury. Just wait until more details come out about amounts, money, and connections. It will be an interesting and sad story to follow. They are innocent until proven guilty, but you are 100 % spot on when you say their lives are already ruined. Perception and reality are two different things and I fear they are about to find out what a tough lesson this is going to be.
david

Lynchburg, VA

#5 Apr 17, 2007
Weigh the costs to put someone behind bars to alternative punishment. It doesn't make sense to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in this case.
reb

Concord, CA

#6 Apr 17, 2007
the only conspiracy is the feds handling of this...can you say entrapment? How about Witch hunt? As the recent Duke case shows, a prosecutor can take a grain of truth and make it into a mountain of evidence. I don't condone drug use/dealing but 40 years! Ridiculous.
Freedom

United States

#7 Apr 17, 2007
One day this War will be over and I'm talking bout the war which has been a failure for over 40 years. The Drug War...which has cost more lives tha Iraq, Vietnam and WW11 combined. Millions of lives lost. Decriminalization or Legalization is on the way. Prisons do not work...Rehabilitation works a lot better. But as Milton Freedman said...It's all about economics....
Edw

Hampden Sydney, VA

#8 Apr 22, 2007
We should wait for the facts before slandering an entire fraternity. Insinuations and rumors, especially with possibly life-ruining consequences, can be be extremely damaging. I'm going to sit on this one until we see what evidence comes out in court. I can say though, from looking at the charges, that the government seems to be hassling college students more than accomplishing any important law enforcement in this case.
HSC student

Hampden Sydney, VA

#9 Apr 22, 2007
DB HSC Alum,
I am offended that you blame Chi Phi for this. There was one Chi Phi brother arrested, one Kappa Sigma, one Theta Chi, and a lot of non-Greeks. In fact, of the 14 state and federal arrests, only one was a Chi Phi. The DEA came to Hampden-Sydney to find a drug ring that didn't exist. They set up an undercover agent to annoy people for drugs for a whole semester, and found fourteen people who were stupid enough to help this guy out. Dealing drugs is definitely a bad thing, but there are much bigger fish in the sea then some rich white kids in isolated Hampden-Sydney.
Another H-SC Student

Hampden Sydney, VA

#10 Apr 23, 2007
DB HSC Alum,
You should be ashamed of yourself. There might indeed be some truth in the claim that blogging is nothing more than an excuse for gossip. At least you've done your best to fortify that claim. What you know about the situation at Hampden-Sydney has obviously come from a very weak, gossip-laden source. On the day of the raid there were a certain number of people here who thought the entire Chi Phi house was arrested when in reality the charges were much wider. Such people were simply cogs in the rumor mill machine. There's always someone who likes to be the big mouth when misfortune falls. Congratulations.
Only one Chi Phi was arrested. What you know about the situation is pathetic, and the reality is that drugs are in many more places than you would imagine.
A Grandmother

Greenville, NC

#11 Apr 23, 2007
Freedom wrote:
One day this War will be over and I'm talking bout the war which has been a failure for over 40 years. The Drug War...which has cost more lives tha Iraq, Vietnam and WW11 combined. Millions of lives lost. Decriminalization or Legalization is on the way. Prisons do not work...Rehabilitation works a lot better. But as Milton Freedman said...It's all about economics....
.......... What responsibility should physicians have to accept for the drug problems of America? I personally feel that they should be held to a higher standard instead of random distribution I still say that the only difference in a common, ordinary street drug dealer and some doctors.. is.. the doctor dont get wet when it rains. Curious that the bible definition of 'witchcraft' is (Greek dictionary of the New Testament 5331 & 5332)'pharmakeia', druggist or poisoner. so..why would it be condemned? Is it because those under the influence of drugs are not in charge of their minds?
HSC

Farmville, VA

#12 Apr 25, 2007
It appears that a couple of students charged are in court today. What will become of this, if anything? Is this part important?
HSC Student

AOL

#13 May 10, 2007
DB HSC Alum,
My first question to you is when did you graduate? If you have graduated this school any time recently you would know what exactly goes on at the campus. Needless to say with you being a graduate, if you lived any social life whatsoever while on the Hill, then you know exactly what goes on. Some of the kids arrested were completely duped by helping someone out, a FORMER Sydney brother, who was out for a semester. During your first two years did anyone buy you alcohol? If yes, well guess what buddy you could have been charged by the Feds with Conspiracy and the person who bought it for you with Distribution. It's that simple, if you knew where something was and made a phone call for someone then you, just being a helpful guy could be facing 1 to 10 right now. At Sydney we look after our own, are you sure you didn't graduate Randolph-Macon buddy? Also the school zone law is the only thing propping up the Fed's case.
The amounts these kids are charged with for some is not even on the books for federal sentencing guidelines and would be MISDEMEANORS if prosecuted in State court. So go ahead DB HSC Alum, hold your nose high in the air, kick back, feel good about yourself and wishing kids who made a stupid mistake years in Federal Prison. This one's for you. I hope that you never mistake in life nor that I ever meet you on the Hill. A drug ring was not arrested only people who had interactions with the man running around. If you are naive to think that the Feds actually accomplished anything more then generating headlines about YOUR school your wrong. They just bitch slapped you and you didn't even know it. I'd bet the ranch that they didn't even come close to doing what they should have, or even had the intentions of fighting CRIME. Just Sydney bashing.

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