Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 311907 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Khan the Great

Allentown, PA

#319689 Dec 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Exactly. Thank you :)
Hells bells, you are so far up that qu@@rs a$$, are you sure you aren't a long haul trucker?
Mike

Belleville, IL

#319690 Dec 29, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
You keep bringing up science, and scientific terminology is not subjective. A fetus is a potential member of a species, not a member until successfully born.
Why do people like you keep arguing scientific principles while clearly not comprehending them?
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I am arguing scientific principles. My logical argument is
P1 It is wrong to kill homo sapiens that have done nothing wrong.
P2 Abortion kills homo sapiens that have done nothing wrong.
C Abortion is wrong.

You have still not told me what you think about my first premise. It does't say It is wrong to kill a member of the species homo sapiens or person or human or unborn child or anything like that. All those things are subjective opinions that people personally have. There is no objective definition of person. Someone in a persistent vegetative state is called a vegetable rather than a person. Some people say homo sapiens in a persistent vegetative states are still people some don't. So is whether or not a fetus is a person. I think all homo sapiens are people but I don't expect everyone to agree with me. So I just use objective scientific criteria to base my arguments on. You say a fetus is not a "member" of the species Homo sapiens that is an example of you basing your argument on arbitrary ideas on what makes someone human. I would like you to acknowledge that you are not the authority (neither am I) on what makes someone a "member" of the species Homo Sapiens, a person, a child, a baby or any off that. You don't get to make that determination for other people. I don't get to make it for you either. So once again I will ask. Do you think it is ok to kill Homo Sapiens that have done nothing wrong? I already know your answer and so do you. Just admit it and we can move on and stop with all this subjective terminology. The more you avoid answering a clear straight up question just makes me think that you are embarrassed about your position.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#319691 Dec 29, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I would love to see some of those places and things.
Even catholic cathedrals would be neat.
HAPPY NEW YEARS :)
All you have to do is find your local Orthodox Church or any cathedral, temple, synagogue... whatever...and walk in. Step out of your safety zone. There's an amazing world out there. Go be in it.
No Relativism

United States

#319692 Dec 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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As John pointed out, science is not guesswork. We're talking about measurable, testable phenomenon. There is no "faith" involved. And, there should be no reason to ignore science just because of mythological stories that were created by men to explain things they didn't have the science for at the time.
And no, scientists don't disagree. Where are you getting that idea from?
bHitler: "Science is not guesswork. We're talking about measurable, testable phenomenon."

You mean like the time you conceded that "a human" (noun) exists in the womb?

Mike

Belleville, IL

#319693 Dec 29, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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What are you going on about? Your attempts to make yourself look intellectually superior are failing miserably. I'm pretty sure most women have a very clear understanding of female reproductive biology and don't need your help on that, Mikey. Biology is not the ultimate point here, and we all know how pregnancy occurs and that a fetus is human. This is about women having the right to choose what is best for themselves, and not being forced to give birth against their will...something nobody will ever do to you, Mikey.
Bitner is in an honored profession of caring for women and infants after birth. You Lifers simply loose interest in what happens after birth has occurred since your only interest is forcing women to gestate and raise children.
It's all about the embryo with you lifers, but women (and babies once born) are the ones with the rights...as it should be.
You assume way to much about me. I am a consistent liberal. I don't believe in discriminating against any Homo Sapiens based or any reason. It doesn't matter if they are gay or straight, white black brown or purple, atheist buddist or catholic, disabled mentally physically or healthy, male or female, tall or short, fat or skinny, born or unborn. It is clear that something weird is going on when conservatives are citing the equal rights amendment and big government liberals are talking about limited government. I laugh when my fellow liberals say I don't believe in legislating morality. Other than the issue of abortion we are the party that believes in legislating morality/ethical treatment of people. Feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, caring for the sick and elderly even ensuring equal rights for homosexuals is legislating morality. No matter how much these anti-gay rights people try and pretend like its not. These are all examples of how democrats want to legislate morality. I'd also be willing to bet that I donated more money/knocked on more doors for President Obama than 95% of the people on here that argue with me about abortion. Everyone likes to make fun of me and dismiss my opinion because I'm male (which is sexist). My opinion on any issue still matters despite what ever gender I may be. If all of you care so much about abortion rights then why am I doing more for the pro-abortion rights party than most of you are. Don't just assume that all pro-life people are conservatives around 33% of democrats are pro-life as well.
No Relativism

United States

#319694 Dec 29, 2013
katie wrote:
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Spontaneous abortion occurs when the body rejects the embryo/fetus without the girl/woman's consent/control. Induced abortion occurs when the mind rejects the embryo/fetus with the girl/woman's consent/control. Humans have been manipulating nature since they realized they could. Why should pregnancy be any different?
You believe the gov't, clergy, and nosy parkers should have control over women's pregnancies. Roe v Wade and PCers believe women should have control over their pregnancies.
You are focused on the embryo/fetus, I am focused on the woman and her circumstances. To me, you're the weirdo.
Katie Van der Sloot: "Spontaneous abortion occurs when the body rejects the embryo/fetus without the girl/woman's consent/control. Induced abortion occurs when the mind rejects the embryo/fetus with the girl/woman's consent/control."

You equate natural death to intentional killing.

Grandma dying from a heart attack is not equal to dyng from you blowing her head off with a shotgun.

"My Grandma Van der Sloot is a freak. Who wants a grandma that spends her time promoting the killing of defenseless babies." - Katie's granddaughter
No Relativism

United States

#319695 Dec 29, 2013
Shining Brilliance wrote:
These religious extremists are nothing but a pack of drooling jackals ready to feast on the body and blood of their own saviour!
Chicky works for a Catholic organization.

Ironic, huh Chicky?

LMAO!

Ya ol' cow ya.
Mike

Belleville, IL

#319696 Dec 29, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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If only requiring donor donation after death why would you require women/girls to be organ donors/life support systems while pregnant? Do you consider them dead when pregnant? Or do you just consider their right to bodily autonomy dead?
Your terminology is non-sensical, you are referring to a group. What do you have against the term "person"?
This should clear things up for you:
The species that you and all other living human beings on this planet belong to is Homo sapiens. During a time of dramatic climate change 200,000 years ago, Homo sapiens (modern humans) evolved in Africa. Like other early humans that were living at this time, they gathered and hunted food, and evolved behaviors that helped them respond to the challenges of survival in unstable environments.
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...
I am not interested in what Peter Singer thinks, nor do I agree with him, nor does the constitution or law.
A woman/girl who has sex unless trying to become pregnant is not "willfully" inviting pregnancy and even IF she is trying there is NO guarantee. That is just as stupid as saying that one who gets in a car and drives and encounters an accident did so willfully and should live with the injury.
Logic is logic, and logic says.....males.....no matter how hard they try....cannot....will not...become pregnant. AND since you as a male are entirely incapable of carrying a pregnancy I will drag your controlling gender ass into it all I see fit. Deal with it and quit whining.
If you consider a woman not having the right to an abortion losing her bodily autonomy (a fetus is not part of her body BTW) Then yes I don't think women should be able to kill homo sapiens in the name of having complete control over their bodily autonomy. I'm not afraid to answer your guys questions BTW. It would be nice if everyone gave me the same courtesy. I don't know what your definition of "inviting" pregnancy is but any woman who has sex is obviously taking a chance on becoming pregnant. People need to take responsibilities for their actions. You should not be able to have your unborn homo sapiens killed just because you got pregnant when you didn't mean to.
Gtown71

United States

#319697 Dec 29, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>All you have to do is find your local Orthodox Church or any cathedral, temple, synagogue... whatever...and walk in. Step out of your safety zone. There's an amazing world out there. Go be in it.
I've been in this old world. I know what's out there.

I wouldn't have a problem going to any religious building. Even the Mormon temple out Utah.

My saftey zone is within me.

I have many stories from my youth.
I was a good kid Untill the death of my father. Age 10 "good"kid.
Age 11 - lost my virginity.
Age 12 - drove over half way to Chicago. With my cool 21 yo old buddy. "Eyes roll" where I found myself in a bar called the wild hammer in joliet Ill. Where I was certain I would die.due to my buddys brothers mouth after to much booze.
By age 14 - I had been on probation 3 times and state probation twice.

I've been drunk, high, and had some very passion "lust" filled sex in my life.
This is what the world says is fun. And it is!!! Yet only left me feeling empty and hurting more and more.

I watched as one by one those I loved dearly died. I was a mess.

I still am, but now I'm a saved "blood bought, cleansed, on my way to Heaven" mess.

Who truly truly loves others. All others.
Gay, straight, promise keepers, promise breakers, abortionist, liars, whoremongers, etc.....enough to tell them about a God who loves them more then I ever could.

He's also the One who took away my pain, hate filled heart, and gave me a new one.

Love ya lady.
May you find truth, in spite of my bumbled up messages.
Mike

Belleville, IL

#319698 Dec 29, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
Abortion don't have one
Porn don't watch it
Gay sex don't have it
Alcohol don't drink it
Rap music don't listen to it
If there is something you don't like it agree with then don't participate but stop trying to dictate what others do.
This country was formed based on freedom from others telling you what you should do and believe.
Steal don't steal it.

Oh wait that doesn't work does it.
No Relativism

United States

#319699 Dec 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Hardly. It takes more thought to think for yourself than it does to follow a bunch of rules made up by men pretending to speak for the Divine.
You admitted that you wouldn't die for your Wiccan beliefs.

Why not just join the bridge club and play cards.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#319700 Dec 29, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
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You admitted that you wouldn't die for your Wiccan beliefs.
Why not just join the bridge club and play cards.
I call bullshit. You lie like a rug, and I have no doubt you're doing it now. What post of mine are you twisting?
katie

Tacoma, WA

#319701 Dec 29, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
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Chicky works for a Catholic organization.
Ironic, huh Chicky?
LMAO!
Ya ol' cow ya.
You, of all people, should know that wasn't Chicky. It's one of your friends pretending to be Chicky. Maybe it's you -- you, Ink, and Gtown are the only individuals posting, but one of you has way more fun than the other two pretending to be people they're not.

Sybil much?

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#319702 Dec 29, 2013
Mike wrote:
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If you consider a woman not having the right to an abortion losing her bodily autonomy (a fetus is not part of her body BTW) Then yes I don't think women should be able to kill homo sapiens in the name of having complete control over their bodily autonomy. I'm not afraid to answer your guys questions BTW. It would be nice if everyone gave me the same courtesy. I don't know what your definition of "inviting" pregnancy is but any woman who has sex is obviously taking a chance on becoming pregnant. People need to take responsibilities for their actions. You should not be able to have your unborn homo sapiens killed just because you got pregnant when you didn't mean to.
You have a right to your opinion. Whatever you may personally believe, for some women, in some circumstances, aborting a pregnancy is taking responsibility for their actions. Your approval or mine is not required or requested of. The only pregnancies that are our business are our own.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#319703 Dec 29, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. Very well put.
:)
Thank you.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#319704 Dec 29, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
bHitler: "Science is not guesswork. We're talking about measurable, testable phenomenon."
You mean like the time you conceded that "a human" (noun) exists in the womb?
And still nothing to contribute to the actual discussion, huh No Relevance.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#319705 Dec 29, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Right :)
It's really amusing, watching them squirm when presented with the fact that Christianity borrow so much from the Pagan religions that existed at the time, and yet can't understand why I would keep a memento from my mother just because the symbolism is from another religion.
I don't think they realize that symbols don't HAVE a religion, but that religions use symbols. And many religions SHARE symbols. Some because they were....ahem....borrowed, some because they represent universal concepts.
Wiccans also have prayer beads, that some Wiccans refer to as rosaries, for instance.
Most religions have had a ritual feast, given how important food is to our survivial.
Or take the Pentagram, which was once a Christian symbol representing the five wounds of Christ. It's a Wiccan/Pagan symbol now. But, because a Satanist may use an inverted Pentagram, extremist Christians, forgetting their own history, accuse anyone with one of being a "devil worshiper". They ALSO forget that a Satanist might use an inverted cross, but that doesn't make an upright cross a "satanic symbol".
Fundies are funny that way. They see only what they want to see.
I find fundies to be very rigid and inflexible. They often demand tolerance without offering it in return. And think foolish things.

A funny thing...my mother was the devoutest of the devout when it came to Catholicism but she had a little gold Buddha statue on the kitchen window sill. I suppose she liked it.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#319706 Dec 29, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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As you know I believe there are those who don't know or believe in God, who behave much better than others who do Know God.sad but true.
But- the bible speaks of a huge gulf that seperates us from God.
If I was trying to leap across this gulf wearing shoes made from doing good. I may not make it six inches out, before falling to my death, whereas others may be able to jump with six inches of the other side, BUT their fate would be the. Same as mine. Does that make sense?
I believe as the bible teaches. One is saved by grace through faith. It is the gift of God. It is not of works lest any "man" should boast.
Have a good day today I pray lady :)
Why? Aren't good works, meant to help others, more useful than "grace through faith"? What does grace through faith do for your fellow man?

It's almost as if you are saying that God wants worship for himself more than he wants people to do good things for each other.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#319707 Dec 29, 2013
Shining Brilliance wrote:
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Bravo Moon for once again displaying the willful hypocrisy of the Xtian hypocrites on here!
They make it so easy.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#319708 Dec 29, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been in this old world. I know what's out there.
I wouldn't have a problem going to any religious building. Even the Mormon temple out Utah.
My saftey zone is within me.
I have many stories from my youth.
I was a good kid Untill the death of my father. Age 10 "good"kid.
Age 11 - lost my virginity.
Age 12 - drove over half way to Chicago. With my cool 21 yo old buddy. "Eyes roll" where I found myself in a bar called the wild hammer in joliet Ill. Where I was certain I would die.due to my buddys brothers mouth after to much booze.
By age 14 - I had been on probation 3 times and state probation twice.
I've been drunk, high, and had some very passion "lust" filled sex in my life.
This is what the world says is fun. And it is!!! Yet only left me feeling empty and hurting more and more.
I watched as one by one those I loved dearly died. I was a mess.
I still am, but now I'm a saved "blood bought, cleansed, on my way to Heaven" mess.
Who truly truly loves others. All others.
Gay, straight, promise keepers, promise breakers, abortionist, liars, whoremongers, etc.....enough to tell them about a God who loves them more then I ever could.
He's also the One who took away my pain, hate filled heart, and gave me a new one.
Love ya lady.
May you find truth, in spite of my bumbled up messages.
lol, okay.

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