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Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#1 Dec 29, 2010
The ultimate military defense (the atom bomb) wasn't created by a private company.

Chances are, the company you work for, or some of the people that work there wouldn't exist without some form of government service helping them achieve their present position.

Never mind just the atom bomb; but airlines, railroads, highways, utilities, financial institutions, could not exist without government investment and oversight.
Imagine no FAA (Federal Aviation Administration)?
It's simple... simply ridiculous that is.

The ideology of rugged personal independence and responsibility is largely nonfactual.

There is zero chance that a Sarah Palin could run the Continental United States in how Alaska is run (btw, a government bought and subsidized property...hell even the one road that goes there was built by government).

These ideologies are just ridiculous, full of errors and hypocrites and insufferably outdated.

The problem with ideologies is; while you might get a particular issue in your favor, you buy the whole ideology, and should expect more than 1 issue to go against you.

We the people really do need a honest reassessment in the political structure and the entire system of business in how things are evaluated.

The future won't wait.
Going backwards in time is not a solution to future problems.

Just as in theoretical physics; backwards time travel is an impossibility, you can only move ahead in time.
The only question that remains is; do you want to progress, or digress?

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#2 Dec 31, 2010
Terry wrote:
The ultimate military defense (the atom bomb) wasn't created by a private company.
The bomb itself was created by private individuals who were employed by the War Department, but everything elas was made by private companies. The tower, the housing, etc.
Terry wrote:
Chances are, the company you work for, or some of the people that work there wouldn't exist without some form of government service helping them achieve their present position.
I'm self employed and I receive no government help. But the corporations in America PAY for that assistance by having the second highest tax burden in the world.
[QUOTE who="Terry"]Never mind just the atom bomb; but airlines, railroads, highways, utilities, financial institutions, could not exist without government investment and oversight.
And many of these entities should be able to stand on their own without government help. Amtrack should not receive subsidies. But they do because politicians know if the public had to pay the real cost of a ticket, they wouldn't use the train.
And how does my bank use subsidies?
Do they need oversight? Of course. But not a stranglehold. Obama's "Banking Czar" has stated he believes HE should have the power to "regulate all banking salaries 'RIGHT DOWN TO THE TELLERS'". I vehemently disagree.
Terry wrote:
Imagine no FAA (Federal Aviation Administration)?
The FAA is a SAFETY administration. And necessary. But I remember in 1981 when they decided to violate the law and go on strike. I repeat, "violate the law". They were told to go back to work or be fired. They didn't and were fired by President Reagan. And rightly so. They threatened the safety of the American people.
[QUOTE who="Terry"]It's simple... simply ridiculous that is.
The ideology of rugged personal independence and responsibility is largely nonfactual.
It is not. But we do not need a Nanny State either. We do not need Government control over our lives. We do not need a Federal health care Law, as it should be left up to the individual states as per the 10th Ammendment.
Terry wrote:
There is zero chance that a Sarah Palin could run the Continental United States in how Alaska is run (btw, a government bought and subsidized property...hell even the one road that goes there was built by government).
With the exception of the Alcan Highway which was biult by the War Department for national security, no government employee built ONE road in America. Every one of our roads was built by private companies. Every single one. And there are cases where states and cities have sold the roads to private companies and th eroads are better maintained than public roads.
Now you don't like Mrs Palin. So what? Who cares? She sure doesn't.

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#3 Dec 31, 2010
Terry wrote:
These ideologies are just ridiculous, full of errors and hypocrites and insufferably outdated.
And your solution is....? More Government?
Terry wrote:
The problem with ideologies is; while you might get a particular issue in your favor, you buy the whole ideology, and should expect more than 1 issue to go against you.
We the people really do need a honest reassessment in the political structure and the entire system of business in how things are evaluated.
The future won't wait.
Going backwards in time is not a solution to future problems.
Just as in theoretical physics; backwards time travel is an impossibility, you can only move ahead in time.
The only question that remains is; do you want to progress, or digress?
And more government is the solution? Just like Europe? More government programs paid for by borrowing money from China?
We are TRILLIONS in debt. And both parties are responsible for this. But more government will never solve our problems! Less Government always does.
Do we need Government? Of course! We need police, firefighters, roads, etc.
But do we need a centralized government in Washington? No. We have 50 State Constitutions, and every one is different. That's the way our great nation was set up. The States formed the Federal Government, not the other way around. So when one state says you can vote on your school tax, you can. But the neighboring state says you cannot. Should Washington step in because somebody doesn't like it?
Here in Vermont, we have "Town Meeting" Day. It's where the people get together and vote on EVERYTHING. The town budget, the road budget, the cemetary budget, and the school budget. With the exception of the school budget, you in NJ cannot do that.(I grew up in Succasunna.) Should Washington step in and tell us to stop?
1----2-----3-----4----5
Above is a graph.
Number one is total control by the government over our lives. Socialism, if you will.
Number 5 is no government at all. Anarchy.(Bill Ayers)
Number 4 is 1776. Small government. Just enough to hold the nation together. "Rugged individualism" if you prefer.
Number 2 is where we are today. Nearing Socialism. And getting closer every day to number one.
All our side wants is to be at number 3! A true balance between the people and the government. If you have a problem you go to your STATE and debate it, not Washington.
As an example, Massachusetts requires it's citizens to purchase health insurance. Because the Commonwealth's Constitution allows this. Vermont wants to go to a single payer system. Because the State's Constitution allows this. But the US Constitution says NOTHING about health care, so it MUST be left up to the 50 states. That nasty 10th Ammendment again.
But too many people think Washington should solve our problems, and that's blantantly false! Washington should get out of the way!
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#4 Jan 3, 2011
Jeff Phillips wrote:
<quoted text>
The bomb itself was created by private individuals who were employed by the War Department, but everything elas was made by private companies. The tower, the housing, etc.
<quoted text>

They would have never made those if not for government paying for them.
I would also point out that the Manhatten Project was a government program, the land used to test the A-bomb was owned by government, the test carried out was paid for by government.

<quoted text> And how does my bank use subsidies?
Do they need oversight? Of course. But not a stranglehold. Obama's "Banking Czar" has stated he believes HE should have the power to "regulate all banking salaries 'RIGHT DOWN TO THE TELLERS'". I vehemently disagree.
<quoted text>

And your premise is NOT what you got.
No one that I know of has regulated any banking salaries.

<qouted text> It is not. But we do not need a Nanny State either.<quoted text>

Trading the Nanny State for a Daddy State is like trading 25 cents for a quarter.

<quoted text> We do not need Government control over our lives. We do not need a Federal health care Law, as it should be left up to the individual states as per the 10th Ammendment.
<quoted text>

And we never would have passed a health care law if the need never arose.
I wonder who caused the need to arise?

<quoted text> With the exception of the Alcan Highway which was biult by the War Department for national security, no government employee built ONE road in America. Every one of our roads was built by private companies. Every single one. And there are cases where states and cities have sold the roads to private companies and th eroads are better maintained than public roads.

Obviously you just don't have a clue as to who it was that paid for those highways.

<quoted text> Now you don't like Mrs Palin. So what? Who cares? She sure doesn't.
So I'm supposed to care that she doesn't care?
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#5 Jan 3, 2011
Jeff Phillips wrote:
<quoted text>
And your solution is....? More Government?
<quoted text>
You really need to read instead of responding emotionally.
I'll quote what I said;
"We the people really do need a honest reassessment in the political structure and the entire system of business in how things are evaluated".

Think for yourself instead of repeating conservative talking points... I've heard these same things repeated for 50 years, and it's SO boring.

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#6 Jan 4, 2011
"We the people really do need a honest reassessment in the political structure and the entire system of business in how things are evaluated".
**********

OK, so what's YOUR solution? More... or less government involvement?
What is your solution to what you perceive as a wrong? And put verbs in your sentences.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#7 Jan 5, 2011
Jeff Phillips wrote:
"We the people really do need a honest reassessment in the political structure and the entire system of business in how things are evaluated".
**********
OK, so what's YOUR solution? More... or less government involvement?
What is your solution to what you perceive as a wrong? And put verbs in your sentences.
I can pretty much tell you're not interested in solutions, only causing more problems, keeping the status-quo...albeit, just a bit less of it, and making it more unfair than it presently is.

I put some verbs in there for you lest you not know what I'm talking about.

There is no way I can post all the solutions here and you know it, but lets begin anyway...

Less military bases around the world. Especially with an unengaged public, and the rich being shielded from it.
This is exactly what brought the downfall off the Roman Empire...an unengaged sit-on-your-ass public, while the military is left to expand the frontiers and control them.

The cost of having 25 million people out of work for 3+ years so they can play army has cost the US in the neighborhood of 1 trillion man-hours in lost time... you figure out the wages they lost.

The military does not create wealth, it uses it.

Then your kind blame the down-and-out, unemployed or poor... well keep right on blaming them because that won't change not a damn thing in the larger scheme of things.

Healthcare would have never passed if the need wasn't created for it. But I'm sure you blame all this on Democrats, I would expect nothing less...it's only unfair right?

You have no original thoughts of your own. All you can do is repeat the same old tired obsolete stuff they've been banging you over the head with all your life.

Like many people, you're in denial of who's really in charge, how much money they have, and how they can make you perform the most stupid of pet tricks for their amusement and ever growing bank accounts...all in the name of your beloved unfairness right?

Yet if it's so unfair, what are you complaining about? I thought you liked that?
Oh, I get it, you want me to like unfairness also.
Well you can pretty much forget that ever happening.

We live in an atomic world. And yet you're still not civilized. You still hold dear the notion of the law of the jungle.
You can call it whatever you want, it's still the law of the jungle and there's nothing new or civilized about it.

Voting is a selfish thing. Vote for whoever serves your particular selfish interest.
But know this, I'll be right here to expose your selfishness every time you do.

I have no illusions about changing your mind...

"Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession……their ignorance".-Hendrik Van Loon

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#8 Jan 6, 2011
Terry wrote:
<quoted text>
I can pretty much tell you're not interested in solutions, only causing more problems, keeping the status-quo...albeit, just a bit less of it, and making it more unfair than it presently is.
I put some verbs in there for you lest you not know what I'm talking about.
There is no way I can post all the solutions here and you know it, but lets begin anyway...
On the contrary. I want to hear your solutions. I want to have an honest dialoge. But do you?
Terry wrote:
Less military bases around the world. Especially with an unengaged public, and the rich being shielded from it.[/quote]
Please explain how the "rich" are "shielded".
[QUOTE who="Terry"] This is exactly what brought the downfall off the Roman Empire...an unengaged sit-on-your-ass public, while the military is left to expand the frontiers and control them.
The difference is that the Romans enlarged their empire. We have never taken permanent control of the nations we defeated.
The cost of having 25 million people out of work for 3+ years so they can play army has cost the US in the neighborhood of 1 trillion man-hours in lost time... you figure out the wages they lost.
The military does not create wealth, it uses it.[/quote]
We can agree here. I see no reason to have bases in japan or Germany anymore. But the Germans still WANT us there because the bases are a main part of the German economy today.
But it is not the government's job to create jobs. It has never worked. The private sector is the job creator.
Terry wrote:
Then your kind blame the down-and-out, unemployed or poor... well keep right on blaming them because that won't change not a damn thing in the larger scheme of things.
Healthcare would have never passed if the need wasn't created for it. But I'm sure you blame all this on Democrats, I would expect nothing less...it's only unfair right?
My kind? News flash. Conservatives do not denigrate the poor. Some do, but they're in a minority. Conservatives give more to charity as a percentage of their incomes than Liberals. Liberals want the Government to give other people's money to the poor.

Since: Nov 10

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#9 Jan 6, 2011
Terry wrote:
You have no original thoughts of your own.
No my friend, it's you who is still parroting the same tired old lines from the sixties.
So I will tell you about true Conservatives.
We believe in the human spirit. We believe anybody can do anything they want. But we also believe not everybody can be successful. We believe there indeed winners and yes, losers in the game of life. The cream always rises to the top. It's just a fact of life.
I truly believe nobody owes anybody a job. You go to a potential employer and ASK for a job, you have no right to demand one. And that employer has every right to say "no". But Conservatives also believe the best person for that job should be the one who gets it, no matter what the color of their skin is, or their sex or their background. Nobody should get preferential treatment. Only the best in the employer's eyes get the job.
Your side firmly believes in class warfare. You denigrate the "rich" while telling minorities they cannot succeed without the government. Your side has held more people on the "plantation" than any slaveholder.
Terry wrote:
Like many people, you're in denial of who's really in charge, how much money they have, and how they can make you perform the most stupid of pet tricks for their amusement and ever growing bank accounts...all in the name of your beloved unfairness right?
Yet if it's so unfair, what are you complaining about? I thought you liked that?
Oh, I get it, you want me to like unfairness also.
Well you can pretty much forget that ever happening.
We live in an atomic world. And yet you're still not civilized. You still hold dear the notion of the law of the jungle.
You can call it whatever you want, it's still the law of the jungle and there's nothing new or civilized about it.
Who's in charge? The "rich"? Any CEO of any company can be fired tomorrow. He answers to a board of directors who answer to stockholders.
Terry wrote:
Voting is a selfish thing. Vote for whoever serves your particular selfish interest.
Isn't that what everybody does? How do you think Obama got elected? Or Christie? It's worked for over 200 years.
Terry wrote:
But know this, I'll be right here to expose your selfishness every time you do.
I have no illusions about changing your mind...
"Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession……their ignorance".-Hendrik Van Loon
I consider myself a pretty enlightened person. I respect the fact you are a Liberal. I have no illusions of changing your mind either.
Selfish? Is adhering to the Constitution selfish? Is wanting our Congress to obey the law of the land selfish? Is wanting less government control over our daily lives selfish? Is saying I feel Terry should keep more of his income instead of giving it to the governemt selfish?
If so, then I guess I am selfish.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#10 Jan 6, 2011
Jeff, you just spouted so much naive crap I don't know where to begin.
You're enlightened?
Then you haven't talked to right people then.

I've been unemployed now for going on 6 years... and your answer is to let me keep more of what I earn?

I'm fed up with all the phony ideological BS, because it doesn't mean anything.

Class warfare?
That's exactly what it is and no amount of spin from conservative ideology is going to change that.

Don't take me wrong; there are good conservatives that know something is wrong in their "party" that was caused by conservatives and don't blame everything on liberals.

The fact is both the major parties spend the bulk of their time trying to convince people that the other party is wrong... and both are right, they are both wrong.

They both use triangulation to control "the people".

How does triangulation work?
One side say's; "we need to reform Big Money Corporate XYZ..."
The other side say's; "no, or yes, with conditions attached..."
Big Money Corporate XYZ say's; "who we going to contribute to be re-elected next year"?

The game is rigged.
In reality you are inconsequential to the outcome of anything.
Big Money Corporate XYZ runs the world... never mind small business, the impact they have, along with ALL the people is negligible compared to Big Money Corporate XYZ.
They will decide who is elected, how they are elected, what they do, and how they do it...not you or anyone else you may know.
You are not part of the triangle.

You seem to think conservatives want less control over you...well if that were truly the case, it would have already happened when they controlled both houses of congress and the presidency.
No, instead your being fondled at the airport now.
How's that for control?

Of course it's all in the name of security right?
No. What it is, is a paranoid State.
Are you really scared?
I'm not.
No one I know is.
And yet will spend multiple billion$$$ protecting ourselves from guys with .99 cent box cutters?

You have good intentions, and conservatives are going to leave me alone right?
What unmitigated BS.
They start wars, tell scientists they can't pursue stem cell research, spy, torture, build new jails, and impose a police state, and that's supposed to be "leaving me alone" in your opinion?

You believe in unfairness...then that's exactly what you'll get.
You of all people have no reason to complain about it.

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.-Daniel Webster
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#11 Jan 6, 2011
Jeff Phillips wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is that the Romans enlarged their empire. We have never taken permanent control of the nations we defeated.<quoted text>

Jeff, the Romans didn't have as much control over those areas as you might believe.
Much in how the US imposes certain "conditions" they did the same.
<quoted text>
The cost of having 25 million people out of work for 3+ years so they can play army has cost the US in the neighborhood of 1 trillion man-hours in lost time... you figure out the wages they lost.
[/quote]

How much was lost???

<quoted text>
Conservatives give more to charity as a percentage of their incomes than Liberals. Liberals want the Government to give other people's money to the poor.
The second point is a generalization.
I could just as easily say that conservatives want government to give money to the military industrial complex in order to put the poor to work making bullets and bombs.
But the first point is a conservative propaganda falsehood.

A story:

My nephew is a Captain in the army that has spent time in Afghanistan and Iraq.
While in Afghanistan he oversaw an orphanage, a hospital, a school,.. 6 places in all.

At my former job I took up a collection of supplies to send to him.
Few people gave regardless of political persuasion although I asked everyone.
99% of the supplies were bought by me (about 2 pallets worth), then I also paid for shipping.
The 1% I didn't buy could be equally attributable to both persuasions ... and even that's an assumption on my part.

That you can repeat some ridiculous statement like "conservatives give more as a percentage of their income to charity" is just patently ridiculous.
There are no credible studies to back that up...and who would even be doing a study like that unless they wanted you to believe such non-sense?

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#12 Jan 7, 2011
So what it comes down to is you lost your job 6 years ago and are still upset.

Well son, losing your job could be the best thing to happen to you! I speak from experience.

But what you must do is stop blaming others for your failures. It's not their fault. People lose their jobs every day. And spending six years wanting others to GIVE you a job is becoming the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing expecting a different result.

I lost my job in 1994. And I looked around and realized nobody was going to hire an almost 50 year old, so I decided to DO something about it! I didn't blame the system, I looked in a mirror!
So I took my hobby and turned it into a business.
My wife did craft shows occasionally and sometimes I accompanied her to set up, etc. But I was involved in making someof th eitems and saw money coming in, so I decided to do this full time. I signed up for spaces of my own and sold some woodworking items. And I noticed that at shows in Roxbury High School, Long Valley Middle School and various churches around the area I could make over $500 in a weekend. In 1994.

So we kicked it up a notch and found some professional promoters doing shows in the region. PA, NY, MA, CT, NH, MD etc.

I suddenly had a full time job! Doing what I loved doing! And as we got better at it we one day realized we were making six figures in sales. Doing CRAFT SHOWS! And our profit margin was almost 90%.

This allowed us to live wherever we wanted, so we hightailed it outta Succasunna and up here to Vermont. I built a home on a small 2 acre lot on a dirt road and we don't worry about alarm systems, locking our doors, etc.

I have off from the first weekend in September when we do the Hartford Christmas Show until the last weekend in January when we do Country Folk Art in Edison, NJ.

We watch the snow fly, we watch the moose walk down the road, we see our neighbors and actually have them over for dinner.

All because I lost my job of 20+ years.
That was 17 years ago and I still do what I love for a living.

You on the other hand are still whining about "the system" and how you were screwed by it. It's long past time you stopped blaming others or the system for your failures. We all lose our job! Even the founder of Pizza Hut was fired by his own company!

I really feel sorry for you. There's absolutely NO reason that after SIX years you are still unemployed, unless you want to be.

As far as politics, I will never change your mind, so why try. You will never convince me that America isn't the greatest country in the history of the world either. I will always believe America is great because Americans are good. I have seen it first hand. But I had to open my eyes first.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#13 Jan 7, 2011
Jeff I'm glad you and your family are doing alright.

What works for you isn't necessarily going to work for me or others with the same issues.

You see, I don't have to work, nor do I believe that work, make-work or working just to work is an end in itself.
That's a main reason why so many people are so poorly informed about so much.

I don't and have never received any government assistance... I don't have to do that either.

My purpose in writing what I write is to expand peoples knowledge as to how things work, and expose misinformation and outright lies.

You want unfair, you got unfair...now you say I'm unfair business and to myself and that's somehow wrong?
Your logic makes no sense to me.

America is a great country?
Ok, great generalization.
So was Rome 2,000 years ago... but I also have no doubt there were smaller countries even better at the time.

No I don't want to relocate to one...
I want to exercise my 1st Amendment Rights, speak my mind and let people make up their own minds.

Take care now.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#14 Mar 1, 2011
Go make a sandwich...
enjoy the bread?

Government put the satellites in orbit to help guide the large tractors farmers use in order to make more efficient use of their land.

Government researched ways to increase crop yields.
The same land can yield 3 times what it did in the 1950's.

Government researched ways to keep the crops less prone to insect and disease infestation.

Government researched ways to make the same seed yield more volume.

If not for government the US wouldn't produce more with less... but you would pay more for less if left solely to private industry.

Government put a man on the moon because if left to private industry, the US would still be waiting for someone to take the enormous risk of capital because there is no clear source profit to be made to pay back the investment required.

In other words, what government does do is take risks that private industry would *never* assume.
That's why sometimes government fails.
But that's far better than never exploring at all.

But this goes all the way back to the founding of the country.
Lewis and Clark were paid by *government* to find a noth-west passage to the US.
No private individual or company paid for that either.

So folks, don't be completely fooled by this rugged individual non-sense... they'll rob you blind, then blame you for having something to rob.

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#15 Mar 3, 2011
Terry wrote:
Go make a sandwich...
enjoy the bread?
Government put the satellites in orbit to help guide the large tractors farmers use in order to make more efficient use of their land.
Every satellite and every rocket was made by a private corporation. Not one government employee turned a wrench or soldered a joint in any of the satellites.
Every ship in the US Navy was built by a private corporation.
Terry wrote:
Government researched ways to increase crop yields.
The same land can yield 3 times what it did in the 1950's.
Government researched ways to keep the crops less prone to insect and disease infestation.
Since when is MONSANTO a government agency? It is private corporations who make ALL the advances in crop yields, not the government! They do it so they can sell their products.
Terry wrote:
Government researched ways to make the same seed yield more volume.
Again, not true. It is private corporations who do all that. There's not one government employee doing the reasearch somewhere in a government laboratory to increase crop yields.
Terry wrote:
If not for government the US wouldn't produce more with less... but you would pay more for less if left solely to private industry.
I Again you have it backwards. It is private industry who has made every great advancement in technology. From the assembly line to the miracle drugs we have today. Every single thing you have is from private industry.
Terry wrote:
Government put a man on the moon because if left to private industry, the US would still be waiting for someone to take the enormous risk of capital because there is no clear source profit to be made to pay back the investment required.
In other words, what government does do is take risks that private industry would *never* assume.
That's why sometimes government fails.
But that's far better than never exploring at all.
But this goes all the way back to the founding of the country.
Lewis and Clark were paid by *government* to find a noth-west passage to the US.
No private individual or company paid for that either.
So folks, don't be completely fooled by this rugged individual non-sense... they'll rob you blind, then blame you for having something to rob.
Christopher Columbus was FINANCED by Spain, but wasn't an employee. He did his thing on his own. He approached the Queen, not the other way around.

If everything were left up to the Government, we would still be in a horse and buggy.

Private industry has given us the greatest standard of living on the planet. We are still the envy of the world. That's why people are trying to get in, not get out.

I just did the Connectitut Flower Show. There was an exhibitor next to me who grew up in East Germany. Her goal was to "be an American." She grew up with the government having control over her life. Even the automobiles were made by government workers. It was called the Trabat. She had to wait in line for bread. Because the government made the bread. EVERYBODY was a government employee.

When the wall came down she saw for the first time a Mercedes. She went into a grocery store and cried at all the selections. When she came to America she wanted to shout about how great America is. And she teared up again.
Terry

Hackettstown, NJ

#16 Mar 7, 2011
Jeff Phillips wrote:
<quoted text>
Every satellite and every rocket was made by a private corporation. Not one government employee turned a wrench or soldered a joint in any of the satellites.
Every ship in the US Navy was built by a private corporation.
Jeff Jeff Jeff, the government contracted private companies to make those things with taxpayer money.

I suppose you think they just made them out of the goodness of their corporate hearts though.

The fact is the standards and goals are set by government in order to achieve such things.

i.e. "We will set a man on the moon by the end of the decade" - JFK

No, I don't have any recollections whatever of Monsanto or any other private company creating any such goals.

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