Anonymous

Payson, AZ

#22 Apr 12, 2013
Feds say we need 150K new jobs a month to keep up
with population growth. Then we welcome up to 100K
legal immigrants a month! Insanity. We are saddled
with a system incapable of dealing with huge
issues like immigration. They pander and pander
America is fracturing demographically. No wonder
prudent folks are buying firearms.
The Point

United States

#23 Apr 15, 2013
northern wind wrote:
The Point, while your defeatist, wishy-washy attitude is nauseating...
Sorry busy weekend, but to address some of your points. You may have seen the reports this weekend that it is actually the large Republican donors who are pushing immigration reform (amnesty); so saying this is a Dem thing for votes is a little disingenuous to put it kindly. All you have to do to stop illegal immigration is to punish employers who hire illegals...no work, no reason to leave your family back home. Not gonna happen. In fact, Mexican immigration has slowed significantly in recent years, so labor costs are rising. So we have to get the current illegals on the grid to pay taxes, then bring in a fresh batch of illegals to work for nothing.

Also, thanks for the Schoolhouse Rock version of the Civil War about the evil industrialists in the North holding those poor Southerners down with their tariffs and cotton price controls. The reality is that 99% of Southerners were family farmers and share croppers who didn't give a rat's ass what the North was doing. They didn't want to secede and they sure didn't want to spill their children's blood to protect the profits of the plantation owners. Yes, the war, reconstruction, and carpet baggers made them bitter towards the North after the fact, but most didn't have a dog in the fight leading up to the war. The Southern politicians (aka plantation owners) were the ones who led them to the destruction of their way of life, but that gets lost in all the Antebellum glory revisionist BS.
Piki

Campbellsville, KY

#24 May 5, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
"A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien". No crime, no filth, no anchor babies. Toxins loose in America.
The are the scum of south and central America. Deport them all including Asians and Europeans.
I assume you are Native American.
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#25 May 6, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry busy weekend, but to address some of your points. You may have seen the reports this weekend that it is actually the large Republican donors who are pushing immigration reform (amnesty); so saying this is a Dem thing for votes is a little disingenuous to put it kindly. All you have to do to stop illegal immigration is to punish employers who hire illegals...no work, no reason to leave your family back home. Not gonna happen. In fact, Mexican immigration has slowed significantly in recent years, so labor costs are rising. So we have to get the current illegals on the grid to pay taxes, then bring in a fresh batch of illegals to work for nothing.
Also, thanks for the Schoolhouse Rock version of the Civil War about the evil industrialists in the North holding those poor Southerners down with their tariffs and cotton price controls. The reality is that 99% of Southerners were family farmers and share croppers who didn't give a rat's ass what the North was doing. They didn't want to secede and they sure didn't want to spill their children's blood to protect the profits of the plantation owners. Yes, the war, reconstruction, and carpet baggers made them bitter towards the North after the fact, but most didn't have a dog in the fight leading up to the war. The Southern politicians (aka plantation owners) were the ones who led them to the destruction of their way of life, but that gets lost in all the Antebellum glory revisionist BS.
so they were influenced by democrat propaganda , to the point of going to war? im trying to understand your pov. I agree most people of the south were not plantation owners, and were simple farmers....and btw, didn't own slaves. why would they die , and what would they die for?
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#26 May 6, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Labor costs. Business doesn't care if workers are whites, Mexicans, Indians, or Asians (most new immigrants are actually Asian these days). Bring them all in and let them compete to see who will work the cheapest. The market doesn't care about who is on Government assistance because, through tax loopholes and low tax lobbyists, businesses generally let the workers pay for their non-working neighbors anyway. Not a conspiracy at all. Corporations own this country, and they just let you live in it. Like I always tell you, Cracker, if you don't like that then don't elect politicians who are in the pocket of corporations. But, of course, you'll just call me a freedom-hating Socialist or OWS member for stating the obvious. You'll end up telling me that immigration restrictions are just unnecessary business regulation, and you'll be waiving the Mexican flag about 10 paragraphs from now.
im going to say something ive never said on here, and I want you to think about it ,and respond. you think corporations control this country ( I agree with a lot of what you say), I think big government controls this country in tandem with corporation. keeping all that in mind.....why would WE think either would trust us to elect people to public office? im not talking about super pacts, or any other monetary nonsense. just simply talking about rigged elections.
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#27 May 6, 2013
I guess "northern wind" lost the youthful "fire in his belly"...hahahah! its ok, this old man has enough!
The Point

United States

#28 May 6, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text> so they were influenced by democrat propaganda , to the point of going to war? im trying to understand your pov. I agree most people of the south were not plantation owners, and were simple farmers....and btw, didn't own slaves. why would they die , and what would they die for?
And they were drafted...you'd go to jail for refusing to fight (on both sides). So, as usual, the poor peasants were forced to fight what was essentially a trade war between the Southern industrial agrarians and the Northern manufacturers. But at least the North was on the right side of human history (mainly because they were getting international pressure from trading partners in Europe who saw slavery as both a human atrocity as well as an unfair labor cost advantage). The Confederacy had nothing to be proud of in any case, so it's disturbing that kids these days with their rebel flags think they represent anything other than human bondage and profiteering. The Stars and Bars flag represents the Confederate War flag, not anything to do with the wonderful culture of the South...Southerners should display the American flag and be proud that good ultimately triumphed over evil.
The Point

United States

#29 May 6, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>im going to say something ive never said on here, and I want you to think about it ,and respond. you think corporations control this country ( I agree with a lot of what you say), I think big government controls this country in tandem with corporation. keeping all that in mind.....why would WE think either would trust us to elect people to public office? im not talking about super pacts, or any other monetary nonsense. just simply talking about rigged elections.
I tend to think that the integrity of the election process is still pretty in tact. Why would you spend a Billion to win a race if you could pay someone a lot less to rig it? And most of government is unelected employees, so they really don't care which of the two parties are in power at any given time...they're just trying to keep their jobs and benefits. So, really, the only "corrupting" influence would be the money that flows to Congress to get them to legislate for one interest or another. But, hey, we're a Capitalist society with a representative government founded by rich white guys who hung out in Europe and read John Locke all day. You can't exactly say the system isn't working like it is supposed to, as it's likely working exactly as intended. So get over it, as the capitalists need their cheap labor :)
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#30 May 9, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
And they were drafted...you'd go to jail for refusing to fight (on both sides). So, as usual, the poor peasants were forced to fight what was essentially a trade war between the Southern industrial agrarians and the Northern manufacturers. But at least the North was on the right side of human history (mainly because they were getting international pressure from trading partners in Europe who saw slavery as both a human atrocity as well as an unfair labor cost advantage). The Confederacy had nothing to be proud of in any case, so it's disturbing that kids these days with their rebel flags think they represent anything other than human bondage and profiteering. The Stars and Bars flag represents the Confederate War flag, not anything to do with the wonderful culture of the South...Southerners should display the American flag and be proud that good ultimately triumphed over evil.
how could anyone be on the "right side" of human atrocity when you openly admit the war was over monetary reasons , and had jack $hit to do with humanitarian issues? I agree with what you are saying the war was over, but how do you pick a side by your own definition? the union poor rioted because of the northern draft , and most of the poor(non slave holders) in the confederacy opposed the draft because they viewed it as federalism.( I often wonder if morgans raiders thought it was a bible apocalypse ,and said "what the hell" )
this is my problem with your thoughts.....you know most of the kids today DO NOT know the real history of the cival war. could they be wearing rebel flag "regalia" in an act of open rebellion to the pandering to minorities? I think this is more toward the truth , and to be honest I don't have a problem with it.
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#31 May 9, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
I tend to think that the integrity of the election process is still pretty in tact. Why would you spend a Billion to win a race if you could pay someone a lot less to rig it? And most of government is unelected employees, so they really don't care which of the two parties are in power at any given time...they're just trying to keep their jobs and benefits. So, really, the only "corrupting" influence would be the money that flows to Congress to get them to legislate for one interest or another. But, hey, we're a Capitalist society with a representative government founded by rich white guys who hung out in Europe and read John Locke all day. You can't exactly say the system isn't working like it is supposed to, as it's likely working exactly as intended. So get over it, as the capitalists need their cheap labor :)
so if voting is still in tact , and we are in a representative society whats the problem? do you think these goofy paid for champagne ads would influence an educated public? always its your goal to rid America of a free market (capitalism) and replace it with what? you never answer me on what you would replace it with! socialism? explain to me how your revised America would work. its funny to me how we are discussing immigration problems in a country that is so awful and corrupt? why in the hell would we have such a problem with people risking their life and freedom to come here? the media(fox news) will tell you its because of welfare hand outs ,but that's simply not true. its because of capitalism ,and illegal immigrants believe in it more than we do! they understand that if you apply yourself, you can succeed. if you don't understand that...lol you are a over feed spoiled piece of $hit. this is the greatest country on earth pal.
The Point

United States

#32 May 9, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text> this is my problem with your thoughts.....you know most of the kids today DO NOT know the real history of the cival war. could they be wearing rebel flag "regalia" in an act of open rebellion to the pandering to minorities? I think this is more toward the truth , and to be honest I don't have a problem with it.
Hey, it's a free country, so if someone wants to wear Stars and Bars just to offend blacks, they can do that. They can wear a swastika to offend Jews, a Satanist shirt to offend Christians...whatever statement they want to make. But they need to know that it is a deliberate offense, not a "heritage" thing. In fact, the Stars and Bars was pretty much dormant as a symbol of the South up until the Civil Rights movement...when segregationists brought it back out to protest civil rights for blacks (standing up for states rights you'd likely say). So people really need to understand the statement they're making when they wear those symbols...it's not just an innocent logo of the home team.
The Point

United States

#33 May 9, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>so if voting is still in tact , and we are in a representative society whats the problem?
Uh, I didn't say there was a problem. I said we're a capitalist society, politics is a competition of moneyed interests, and the best funded interests will most always win. You're the one who seems to think there is a nefarious NWO plot around every corner. Immigration reform is needed by moneyed interests, so it will pass...doesn't matter what the impact to the working class will be. The only question is, once this begins to have an even bigger detrimental impact on that working class, will you join me in insisting that those moneyed interests help pay for some of that burden? Or will you continue to breath lobbyists' farts and insist that those who create poverty have no responsibility to help with the impacts of what it creates?
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#34 May 9, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, it's a free country, so if someone wants to wear Stars and Bars just to offend blacks, they can do that. They can wear a swastika to offend Jews, a Satanist shirt to offend Christians...whatever statement they want to make. But they need to know that it is a deliberate offense, not a "heritage" thing. In fact, the Stars and Bars was pretty much dormant as a symbol of the South up until the Civil Rights movement...when segregationists brought it back out to protest civil rights for blacks (standing up for states rights you'd likely say). So people really need to understand the statement they're making when they wear those symbols...it's not just an innocent logo of the home team.
why do I think you are not a guy who would of been offended by the "black bart" tee shirts in the 90's lol, or even the malcom x tee shirts. what kind of symbol were those about? where was the protest to examine that statement? was that ok as a "heritage" thing ? why are you such an apologist....its because you are a self loathing white person. im not , im comfortable with differences. I guess its more about being around people ,and excepting people, hanging out with people...ect, than excepting something you read on the cold page of your last pseudo educated venture via the internet. I will even go a step further...you and northern wind are the same person .....:)
The Point

United States

#35 May 9, 2013
believe a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>why do I think you are not a guy who would of been offended by the "black bart" tee shirts in the 90's lol, or even the malcom x tee shirts. what kind of symbol were those about? where was the protest to examine that statement? was that ok as a "heritage" thing ? why are you such an apologist....its because you are a self loathing white person. im not , im comfortable with differences. I guess its more about being around people ,and excepting people, hanging out with people...ect, than excepting something you read on the cold page of your last pseudo educated venture via the internet. I will even go a step further...you and northern wind are the same person .....:)
Nah, my own heritage has nothing to do with the fact that I purposely wouldn't try to offend somebody. I'm not Jewish, but I wouldn't wear Nazi stuff. In general, good people don't go around trying to offend someone else. Most of these Rebel Flag wearing kids wouldn't do it either if they understood what it stood for (biker types might, as they obviously are going for the shock effect with the whole lifestyle...a little stunted in maturity, if you ask me). No offense to Northern Wind, but, no, I'm not down with his ethnocentricity any more than I am with yours.
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#36 May 10, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah, my own heritage has nothing to do with the fact that I purposely wouldn't try to offend somebody. I'm not Jewish, but I wouldn't wear Nazi stuff. In general, good people don't go around trying to offend someone else. Most of these Rebel Flag wearing kids wouldn't do it either if they understood what it stood for (biker types might, as they obviously are going for the shock effect with the whole lifestyle...a little stunted in maturity, if you ask me). No offense to Northern Wind, but, no, I'm not down with his ethnocentricity any more than I am with yours.
neither would I.i wouldn't wear the confederate flag on a shirt ,simply because I wouldn't want someone like you to get the wrong impression of me. I have mixed races in my immediate family, and the main thing I try to project to them is to not be offended so easily. that's kind off how I got my name.....they call me their cracker uncle. its all in fun. if you call ethnocentricity, so be it. I simply think people are offended way too easy.
Gordon

Elizabethtown, KY

#37 May 10, 2013
If I.C.E. came into E'town, and removed the illegals, all the Mexican and Oriental restaurants would close down and lock the doors. I've seen vans with blacked out windows pick up the Oriental waitresses from one restaurant only to go to the next. Where they go, who knows. I can also say you rarely see the same waitresses in the restaurant in Roses Plaza. One told me once that she worked for room and board. Even the tips went to the boss.
believe a cracker

Greenbrier, AR

#38 May 10, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah, my own heritage has nothing to do with the fact that I purposely wouldn't try to offend somebody. I'm not Jewish, but I wouldn't wear Nazi stuff. In general, good people don't go around trying to offend someone else. Most of these Rebel Flag wearing kids wouldn't do it either if they understood what it stood for (biker types might, as they obviously are going for the shock effect with the whole lifestyle...a little stunted in maturity, if you ask me). No offense to Northern Wind, but, no, I'm not down with his ethnocentricity any more than I am with yours.
you are nothing more than a radical socialist , and an agitator. im not even sure you are old enough to have these opinions?
The Point

United States

#39 May 10, 2013
Gordon wrote:
If I.C.E. came into E'town, and removed the illegals, all the Mexican and Oriental restaurants would close down and lock the doors. I've seen vans with blacked out windows pick up the Oriental waitresses from one restaurant only to go to the next. Where they go, who knows. I can also say you rarely see the same waitresses in the restaurant in Roses Plaza. One told me once that she worked for room and board. Even the tips went to the boss.
They aren't illegals. They are here on temp work visas. The employer pays for the visa, the workers work for the time of the visa, and they (supposedly) go back home. Why do you think there are so many ethnic restaurants? It's the legal path into the country, so they're willing to work low wages for the opportunity. You can't exactly say that these workers are taking American jobs, because these companies exist solely as an immigration pipeline...there isn't market demand for a Mexican or Asian restaurant on every corner of every town, so those eateries wouldn't exist without the worker pipeline. So that's economic activity and tax revenue we get that we wouldn't have otherwise.

“Faith. Folk. Family.”

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#40 May 11, 2013
The Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah, my own heritage has nothing to do with the fact that I purposely wouldn't try to offend somebody. I'm not Jewish, but I wouldn't wear Nazi stuff. In general, good people don't go around trying to offend someone else. Most of these Rebel Flag wearing kids wouldn't do it either if they understood what it stood for (biker types might, as they obviously are going for the shock effect with the whole lifestyle...a little stunted in maturity, if you ask me). No offense to Northern Wind, but, no, I'm not down with his ethnocentricity any more than I am with yours.
If you think I am ethnocentric, you are an idiot. Either that or pitifully sheltered. Yes, I am young, so maybe a bit sensationalist and a bit worked up... but I do not judge ethnicities based on aspects of my own ethnicity. In fact, I have no judgement for any ethnicities but my own, and it is mainly behaviors within my own race that I am critical to.

Do I beleive in such a thing as racial purity or even eugenic superiority? No. I do not. I beleive in the preservation and the continued life of my race. I see hypocrisies and I see backwards ideas that are feeding into the destruction of my people, and I am against them. My people are minorities in their own capital cities, such as London. They are continuously hurt by imperialism and I see a sad future where all unique cultures are negated and population become chattel.

I do not commonly call myself white. I am a proud Germanic. But if it is white people that are targeted for this flood and negation, then all white people are victims to it. If it is muslims raping swedish women, then white south africans murdered by the thousand, then continued forced integration of our people...then no matter where it is all white people are victim to it.

You can tell me all day about how it happened to this race, or that we did this in the past to somebody else. You can talk until you are blue in the face about your grand ideas for racial union and this utopian colorblind world. No matter how many times Obama says "We are all immigrants." it will not erase the fact that this immigration will destroy us as a people. It will only be white people that will be "blended". It will only be white children robbed of their cultural heritage, it will only be white communities to become extinct.

We all, as races, keep the world together. We all are unique and contribute to a part of this world, we all exist as a peice of it. When one race dies, along with all the cultures that flowed from it, part of humanity dies as well. And I am against it. I stand in constant opposition.
ohhhcheewhawah

Louisville, KY

#41 May 11, 2013
info wrote:
I heard they are in e-town picking up mexicans that have been deported and came back has anyone else heard about this?
oh crap where will i get my mexican food at now.......TACO'BELL

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