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The Point

Elizabethtown, KY

#44 Apr 5, 2013
beleive a cracker wrote:
<quoted text>read the correct translation! it states "if two men injured a pregnant woman during fighting". your incorrect translation is a political statement for God sakes.
look, as far as i am concerned, politically the abortion ship has sailed. i dont agree with it,and i think it is a sin,but i will not force my beliefs on others. my problem is that the bible doesnt advocate abortion in any shape or form. as a matter of fact,child sacrifice in any form caused civilizations alot of harm in the old testement.
as far as you "all forms of birth control statement".....its the union of a man and a woman that makes life, if something stops that process life wasnt created. most progressives like yourself find that very confusing because you confuse gender roles.
Uh, I think you're the progressive here trying to create a sin that never existed until the 1980s. If you want to now call an egg a chicken, knock yourself out. Just don't expect the courts to suddenly give eggs Constitutional rights, and don't bitch when PETA uses your arguments to try to give cats Constitutional protection too. You must be twisting yourself in a philosophical pretzel trying to argue for gubmit control of birth control.
consideration

Vine Grove, KY

#45 Apr 6, 2013
the truth wrote:
All religions have translated their gods laws incorrectly since the beginning. And wars have been fought over these disputes and still are and will continue. Abortion right or wrong only god knows all we can do is believe in Jesus and pray we do right. Anyway control is an tool of the devil let mankind make their own choice if they are wrong then so be it. Basically as humans we need to worry about our souls and our choices not others
There is ONE WAY to the Father.'gods' is not our authority. There is NO guess work on what the Bible states. If WE believe in Jesus, how in the world could we go along with abortion? IF MANKIND IS WRONG??? I don't want to be counted among those on many of our current issues. Finished.
The Point

Elizabethtown, KY

#46 Apr 6, 2013
consideration wrote:
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There is ONE WAY to the Father.'gods' is not our authority. There is NO guess work on what the Bible states. If WE believe in Jesus, how in the world could we go along with abortion? IF MANKIND IS WRONG??? I don't want to be counted among those on many of our current issues. Finished.
I think what he is saying is that our government can't just legislate your morality unless you make the case that a fetus is a life and abortion is murder. But I assure you that your own church doesn't even hold that position. My church has the "except in cases of rape and incest" exemption which explicitly means that it doesn't consider it murder. So it is simply a policy of not liking it, and the government can't just prohibit things I don't like.
whichisworse

Elizabethtown, KY

#48 Apr 6, 2013
which is worse? Abortion or people who steal from children to make themselves look good in the eyes of their church? Their the same. Damned to Hell.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#49 Apr 6, 2013
bottom line wrote:
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We have become a self-centered people. Spartan, someone had better continue to speak out. Realize that many still do. There is ONE law that trumps it all: God's. I am more concerned about His. However, I have heard those who are supposedly Christians argue differently. I would be scared to argue that point with our Creator, the Sovereign One.
I don't really see how any self-proclaimed Christians could possibly argue it any differently.After all,God did give a command to "populate the earth".Not populate the earth until the resources got scarce,,,and not populate the earth until it was too inconvenient to raise your child.The standing orders are as it stands,,,to populate the earth.And it's actually because of the value that God places on human life,,,that makes me question how any woman could ever even consider an abortion.That,,,and the fact that the thought of a mother allowing her child to be killed,,,numbs me quite a bit.Thing is though,,,no one believes in the Lord anymore.And worse than that,there are several that do,,,but just don't have a strong enough respect for Him to make any kind of sacrifice.In short,,,I agree with you "bottom line".Sad thing is though,,,our opinions are among a very small percentage of a very select few.God bless you for the point you made as well as the way you made it though.The fact that you put it out here with such a strong structured and humble presentation,could possibly have someone at a later time,,,finding blessing in your point as well."Sometimes",all "some" people need to do the right thing,,,is to have the right perspective presented to them in a way that they understand and appreciate.Thanks for your message partner.
So sad

Elizabethtown, KY

#50 Apr 6, 2013
spartan wrote:
<quoted text>I don't really see how any self-proclaimed Christians could possibly argue it any differently.After all,God did give a command to "populate the earth".Not populate the earth until the resources got scarce,,,and not populate the earth until it was too inconvenient to raise your child.The standing orders are as it stands,,,to populate the earth.And it's actually because of the value that God places on human life,,,that makes me question how any woman could ever even consider an abortion.That,,,and the fact that the thought of a mother allowing her child to be killed,,,numbs me quite a bit.Thing is though,,,no one believes in the Lord anymore.And worse than that,there are several that do,,,but just don't have a strong enough respect for Him to make any kind of sacrifice.In short,,,I agree with you "bottom line".Sad thing is though,,,our opinions are among a very small percentage of a very select few.God bless you for the point you made as well as the way you made it though.The fact that you put it out here with such a strong structured and humble presentation,could possibly have someone at a later time,,,finding blessing in your point as well."Sometimes",all "some" people need to do the right thing,,,is to have the right perspective presented to them in a way that they understand and appreciate.Thanks for your message partner.
i completly agree. Maybe i started this post wording things in the wrong way. But i feel the exact same way. Noone will convince me that killing a fetus is not murder. It is a growing human. Just because it is yet to be born does not mean that it does not have the right to grown and have a chance at life. Abortion is allowing people to cuz peoples lives short just the same as murdering anyone else that is already born. People stick up for animals and won't for abortion? It blows my mind. And if it is not murder then why is it when a pregnant woman is killed the murderer is charged with two counts of murder and not one?

Since: May 11

Shepherdsville, KY

#51 Apr 6, 2013
So sad wrote:
<quoted text> i completly agree. Maybe i started this post wording things in the wrong way. But i feel the exact same way. Noone will convince me that killing a fetus is not murder. It is a growing human. Just because it is yet to be born does not mean that it does not have the right to grown and have a chance at life. Abortion is allowing people to cuz peoples lives short just the same as murdering anyone else that is already born. People stick up for animals and won't for abortion? It blows my mind. And if it is not murder then why is it when a pregnant woman is killed the murderer is charged with two counts of murder and not one?
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Pregnant women are often the victims of violent crime. Those laws are designed to help protect the mother. But, I personally oppose such laws, and think killing a fetus should definitely be a lesser offence (but violence against a pregnant women is a violation of her right to choose, so it should definitely be punished).
Chef

Elizabethtown, KY

#52 Apr 7, 2013
In a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 70% of Americans said that they DO NOT want to see Roe vs. Wade overturned -- regardless of their own personal feelings about having an abortion themselves.
Thirty-five percent say the practice should be illegal except in the cases of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. Thirty-one percent, meanwhile, said it should always be legal and 23% said it should be legal most of the time.
It's a small minority–nine percent– who oppose abortion fully, meaning they think it should be illegal without any exceptions. Two percent say they are unsure.
Just wanted to let you know where the public stands on this issue. You're welcome to whatever opinions you have. Until these numbers change, Roe vs. Wade will stand. Majority rules.
I personally believe in a woman's right to choose, but respect other opinions.
Butterfly

Elizabethtown, KY

#53 Apr 7, 2013
If you hate abortions, don't have one. What other women do with their own body is their own damm business. I would never choose to have one, but that gives me ZERO right to judge someone else on their decisions.
rottenapples

United States

#54 Apr 7, 2013
So sad wrote:
I dont c how our nation is so pathetic to allow abortion. Ppl try and come up with every excuse in the book as to y abortion is okay and none of them make any since at all. I have heard them all. If u r old enough to have sex u need to deal with the consequences. Just bc u might not be able to take care of the child inside you does not mean your family or someone else wont be able to. It makes me sick how selfish ppl can be. You would rather take a life away just bc u do not feel like carrying the child full term or do not want to deal with the pain of handing it over to someone else. How selfish is that? I actually had a friend that had kids already and she said she did not want to have another child bc it would be painful to hand them over to a couple that would love it. Just bc u r a dumbass and selfish the baby does not get to live! Ppl do not stop and think about how blessed they are to b in the world. What if u were aborted? I have wanted a baby with my fiance for years now and can not get pregnant. And when i did i lost it. It pisses me off enough to c these young moms out here partying instead of providing for their children. But to top it all off they r killing their children and too just so they can keep partying. Who agrees with me?
if someone nasTy raped you then filled your pie hole up with theyre devilsh spawn would you still feel the sameway? think about it everyday the child would be your constant reminder of that day a nasty pervert had his way with you

Since: May 11

Shepherdsville, KY

#55 Apr 7, 2013
rottenapples wrote:
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if someone nasTy raped you then filled your pie hole up with theyre devilsh spawn would you still feel the sameway? think about it everyday the child would be your constant reminder of that day a nasty pervert had his way with you
And, since the anti-choicers pretend to care about children (until they're actually born of course), is it fair for a child to be raised by someone who was raped, and who see's their attacker every time they look on their child? It would be very easy for anyone, even someone who would make a great parent under other circumstances, to take out those frustrations on the innocent child (whether they intend to or not).
The Point

Elizabethtown, KY

#56 Apr 7, 2013
Kansas just passed a law that makes an egg a human. I guess menstruation is murder in Kansas now (unless the egg is fertilized by a rapist first). Its silly season with politicians these days.
rottenapples

United States

#57 Apr 7, 2013
that goth in LJ wrote:
<quoted text>And, since the anti-choicers pretend to care about children (until they're actually born of course), is it fair for a child to be raised by someone who was raped, and who see's their attacker every time they look on their child? It would be very easy for anyone, even someone who would make a great parent under other circumstances, to take out those frustrations on the innocent child (whether they intend to or not).
so youd conceive a baby from a child molesting/rapist who smells with no teeth just to avoid an abortion, that nicee

Since: May 11

Shepherdsville, KY

#58 Apr 7, 2013
rottenapples wrote:
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so youd conceive a baby from a child molesting/rapist who smells with no teeth just to avoid an abortion, that nicee
Um, reread my post.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#59 Apr 8, 2013
So sad wrote:
<quoted text> i completly agree. Maybe i started this post wording things in the wrong way. But i feel the exact same way. Noone will convince me that killing a fetus is not murder. It is a growing human. Just because it is yet to be born does not mean that it does not have the right to grown and have a chance at life. Abortion is allowing people to cuz peoples lives short just the same as murdering anyone else that is already born. People stick up for animals and won't for abortion? It blows my mind. And if it is not murder then why is it when a pregnant woman is killed the murderer is charged with two counts of murder and not one?
I firmly agree with your position.Abortion ends life where life once existed,,,and is something that I see as murder regardless of the semantics that politicians try to use as evidence to the contrary.Honestly,I myself was really scared when my wife presented me with the little "plus" sign,,,but never once even considered the alternative.Anymore,it just seems as if the women with the least amount of moral and maternal instinct,,,happen to also be the most fertile women on the planet.Sad indeed.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#60 Apr 8, 2013
Butterfly wrote:
If you hate abortions, don't have one. What other women do with their own body is their own damm business. I would never choose to have one, but that gives me ZERO right to judge someone else on their decisions.
Nobody really cares what you do with your own body kiddo,(though I personally dislike neck tatoos).However,when you go killing the defenseless life within you,,,it's gonna bother a good number of us.Whether it's really any of our business or not.
The Point

Elizabethtown, KY

#61 Apr 8, 2013
spartan wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody really cares what you do with your own body kiddo,(though I personally dislike neck tatoos).However,when you go killing the defenseless life within you,,,it's gonna bother a good number of us.Whether it's really any of our business or not.
First you have to establish that it is a life, IMO. I can buy a second trimester fetus maybe (after the "quickening" they used to call it). But to call an egg a life, like Kansas just did, would be a lot like giving a neck tattoo Constitutional rights. I don't think pro-lifers help their cause by taking the argument into the absurd.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#62 Apr 8, 2013
The Point wrote:
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First you have to establish that it is a life, IMO. I can buy a second trimester fetus maybe (after the "quickening" they used to call it). But to call an egg a life, like Kansas just did, would be a lot like giving a neck tattoo Constitutional rights. I don't think pro-lifers help their cause by taking the argument into the absurd.
Understandably,an egg alone can't be considered a life,,,without doubt.The way I myself would define it as life when talking about a human being,would begin the very instant that egg is fertilized.To tell you the truth,it would make me more comfortable to think that women don't see it as a life when they take it I guess,,,rather than to think that they simply don't respect and appreciate life any more than that.In other words,I believe that ignorance is forgivable,,,where thoughtless slaughter probably wouldn't be.Will give credit and say that I can see how women have more at stake with their own bodies than men with a big mouth and an opinion,,,but still can't get on board with the pro-choice argument.In essence,it seems to put women's comfort at a higher value than a human life.And that's really hard for me to grasp.
The Point

Elizabethtown, KY

#63 Apr 8, 2013
spartan wrote:
<quoted text>Understandably,an egg alone can't be considered a life,,,without doubt.The way I myself would define it as life when talking about a human being,would begin the very instant that egg is fertilized.To tell you the truth,it would make me more comfortable to think that women don't see it as a life when they take it I guess,,,rather than to think that they simply don't respect and appreciate life any more than that.In other words,I believe that ignorance is forgivable,,,where thoughtless slaughter probably wouldn't be.Will give credit and say that I can see how women have more at stake with their own bodies than men with a big mouth and an opinion,,,but still can't get on board with the pro-choice argument.In essence,it seems to put women's comfort at a higher value than a human life.And that's really hard for me to grasp.
Oh, it's an egg until you add the cheese, then it's a Constitutionally protected McMuffin. Have some common sense here. Most women don't even know they're pregnant until 20-30 days in, so having a few drinks (or working out in the gym) could cause her to miscarry her "fertilized egg" and she could be charged with murder. What about tubal pregnancies, which are quite common? The woman has to suffer through that without any medical attention because the egg is fertilized? Can we at least wait until some cells start dividing or some blood is flowing before we prosecute? Like I said, back in the old days, religious leaders said that there had to be a quickening...there needed to be bloodflow, or limbs, or respiration before the soul entered the baby. Now we have people saying that the soul is formed when chocolate meets peanut butter. I call BS on this change in attitude being anything other than moral backlash (a reaction to the sexual freedoms and gender equalization of the 60's); has nothing to do with sanctity of life, and everything to do with politicians manipulating the faithful for votes.
Athoritah

Mississauga, Canada

#67 May 6, 2013
Giggitty wrote:
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Looks like they missed an idiot... I can tell that the best part of you ran down your mama's leg!
That comment made something run down my leg as well

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