Ocean Springs owes Tim Taranto -- and...

Ocean Springs owes Tim Taranto -- and the city's residents -- an apology

There are 45 comments on the The Mississippi Press story from Mar 3, 2014, titled Ocean Springs owes Tim Taranto -- and the city's residents -- an apology. In it, The Mississippi Press reports that:

First, it's important to understand that the Ocean Springs Board of Aldermen's recent botched school board appointment has everything - and nothing -- to do with Tim Taranto.

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To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#21 Mar 29, 2014
Gulf, I did read the articles you posted and must say they really have nothing to do with the subject of this post. As in every industry, the smart people dedicated to their trade/field float to the top like high quality cream. Those at the top of their game always find opportunities. Then their are those that go unemployed and blame others like the "good old boys". The "sorority girl" lawyer you speak of must be like the cream and your articles are further proof of this. What does your long term unemployment in a market that was just designated as the top one in the USA for construction employment/jobs created? Did you read that article?You did say you have been unable to find employment in the construction industry did you not? I think it says a lot. I know it must be those damned illegal aliens again.
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#22 Mar 29, 2014
Gulf,I did read what you posted. This reinforces the fact that just like rich cream,qualified individuals who know their trade/profession never have a problem with employment because they rise to the top.The long term unemployed are usually those that blame it on something else like the good old boys or the illegal aliens. I feel certain you read just last week that Pascagoula,Ms. was the number 1 location in the USA for the creation of construction jobs. If the "sorority girl" lawyer can find success in a very difficult market why can't Gulf find a job in a very good construction market? That is the real question you should answer for us here on this blog.
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#23 Mar 29, 2014
Sorry for the repeat. I could not find my first reply for some odd reason,#21, so I pecked out another. Double the fun.
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#24 Apr 5, 2014
To tell the truth wrote:
Gulf, I did read the articles you posted and must say they really have nothing to do with the subject of this post. As in every industry, the smart people dedicated to their trade/field float to the top like high quality cream. Those at the top of their game always find opportunities. Then their are those that go unemployed and blame others like the "good old boys". The "sorority girl" lawyer you speak of must be like the cream and your articles are further proof of this. What does your long term unemployment in a market that was just designated as the top one in the USA for construction employment/jobs created? Did you read that article?You did say you have been unable to find employment in the construction industry did you not? I think it says a lot. I know it must be those damned illegal aliens again.
Had you read the "End of Men" article(which I doubt you did) you would realize the economy is changing & women/female "trades" are going to survive while male dominated trades like construction & manufacturing are on their way out. I'm not pulling this out of my ass. Many trades are permanently gone. Many economists called it "the Mancession" because many men who worked as contractors literally will have to retrain for new trades or careers because there's no work for them & never will be again where as traditional female dominated jobs like nursing/health care/education/etc have done quite well in the ensuing downturn, or at least held steady. Women also now outnumber men 60 to 40 in college. You people will be the permanent managerial class going forward.

As for what you said about "the best floating to the top" -- well yes, if your mommy & daddy paid for your stress-free college years you probably did ok. You sound white so that right there is a huge boon for you just being white. That's on top of having money:

http://www.businessinsider.com/report-rich-ki...

Being born poor or even working class is a huge disadvantage.

And actually yes -- it is the illegal aliens taking what little construction work or manufacturing or trade work there is. I know a plumber who has been underbid by Mexicans since 2010 on every contract he pursued. Underbid by at least 50-75%. They work for nothing, and can because they don't have to carry insurance or bonding & don't have a mortgage to pay for.

Again, your lawyer friend was voted 2nd for a job and yet she has no experience in education & no academic background in education. How can you explain that? Why is a lawyer a better applicant for a school board position than somebody with 20 to 30 years in education WHO HAS WORKED IN THE TRADE for decades?

What does the lawyer know? Again all you said was she "interviewed better" -- which was my point the whole time...

Would you hire a welder to do your dental work?
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#25 Apr 5, 2014
To tell the truth wrote:
Gulf,I did read what you posted. This reinforces the fact that just like rich cream,qualified individuals who know their trade/profession never have a problem with employment because they rise to the top.The long term unemployed are usually those that blame it on something else like the good old boys or the illegal aliens. I feel certain you read just last week that Pascagoula,Ms. was the number 1 location in the USA for the creation of construction jobs. If the "sorority girl" lawyer can find success in a very difficult market why can't Gulf find a job in a very good construction market? That is the real question you should answer for us here on this blog.
Almost all of those construction jobs are at Chevron & they hire thru KBR, their subcontractor. Of which I have applied, more than once. It's a media pushed figure, the benefit isn't to locals. Call the WIN job center in Pascagoula(unemployment people) and ask them if the local contractors are hiring thru them because there's such demand.

There hasn't been demand for that kind of work since the oil spill happened.

I called WIN the other week, they have NO WORK. There had a truck driving job in Moss Point a few months back & a driver's position but you need a CDL & several yrs experience as a commercial driver or they won't hire you.

Call up some of the local staffing firms, no one has any work besides for skilled craftsmen & they won't them to work with no union protection in a part time position and you have to have bare min. 5 yrs experience and most want 10 plus years experience & they want to pay wages that were paid 20 years ago.

You're not "the best" at whatever it is that you do friend, you just know people with connections who can protect you from the ravages of the recession.

It'll get you too though, just give it a few more yrs.As i said, the govt is broke, & they're gonna be cutting back on military spending. And when they do, Ingalls goes. Then tax revenues fall & unemployment explodes. Then they come for your job....
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#26 Apr 5, 2014
Gulf, A lawyer with no experience in education? That would really be difficult to accomplish. What about Ms.Smith, who is currently on the school board who just happens to be a lawyer and CPA. She was never a teacher and is relatively young. Who did she know? And yes things change. Just like the pony express rider who lost his job to the telegraph you must constantly retrain. The construction manager no longer carries a note book on a clipboard. He now has an Ipad. Women, mexicans, good old boys, the best, end of men articles, you have plenty of excuses. I could pick you out of a crowd anywhere .You are the guy wearing the pager on his belt waiting for some employer to page him about a job. Time for my coffee which I brewed differently than my parents.
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#27 Apr 5, 2014
To tell the truth wrote:
Gulf, A lawyer with no experience in education? That would really be difficult to accomplish. What about Ms.Smith, who is currently on the school board who just happens to be a lawyer and CPA. She was never a teacher and is relatively young. Who did she know? And yes things change. Just like the pony express rider who lost his job to the telegraph you must constantly retrain. The construction manager no longer carries a note book on a clipboard. He now has an Ipad. Women, mexicans, good old boys, the best, end of men articles, you have plenty of excuses. I could pick you out of a crowd anywhere .You are the guy wearing the pager on his belt waiting for some employer to page him about a job. Time for my coffee which I brewed differently than my parents.
"Retrain?" Retrain for what? I actually inquired about police academy. They pay rookie cops a little above min. wage. You gonna get your head blown off by some crackhead for 10 or 11 dollars an hour? That's what they pay in Gautier. Moss Point pays less. Moss Point is the only one even hiring & they make their cops sign contracts to work for a set period because Slob Pt. is the only city willing to pony up the money to put prospective officers thru police academy. Otherwise I gotta cough up 10 grand or more to pay for the relevant trade schools. You got 10k laying around lol? Just for a job that pays min. wage? OS, Goula, D'Iberville -- none of them even hire unless you have 5 plus yrs experience in law enforcement & you better put up with 4 or 5 yrs of min. wage dangerous work in the hood.

"Retrain what else?" Nursing, radiology tech, lab techs, all those programs take 2-3 yrs @the MGCCC, or longer, to get thru. And even then you usually take 2 to 3 yrs to pay off your student debt. You don't really see any real profits til you're in your 40s or 50s. Its almost time to retire by the time you make your $.

What else? Firemen make about 10 bucks an hour & have to go thru a physical regimen that's worse than bootcamp. You may as well go in the military.(something I may do but even then I'll start off making 17k a year, below poverty wages)

I'll be middle aged in a decade. The f*** am I supposed to do about my retirement?

Even if I could get into med school it takes basically 12 yrs of school before you get out & about 20 before you even turn a profit & pay off your loans. And that's assuming your ex wife doesn't get you with the alimony & child support.

Seeing where I"m going with this? I already posted the link saying a huge swath, think a third or more, of lawyers aren't even finding ANY WORK. Many are flipping burgers or doing paralegal work for 20k a year. Law schools are actually under a huge scandal now because when they tell about their percentage of employees who are employed after graduation they don't specify what kinda job the worker is in. lol

What's left? You any good at math? I never was. And even then I know an engineer. It took him 6 years with a co-op to get out of Miss. State & then had to take a sh*t sandwich job in some oddball small town in Tennessee because no company in Texas or Georgia were hiring.

Your friend, Ms. Smith or w/ever her name is, is extremely lucky. Most lawyers find either NO WORK period & move in with mommy or they end up in a field where they don't need their degrees.

My point to all this? Its about WHO YOU KNOW. Not WHAT YOU KNOW.

Which would be fine, only then if people knew that they'd stop coming to this country or even trying to get ahead because they know the game is rigged by the bankers & people like you who inherited money & your Grand Old Party.

I don't think most people care that you ppl are rich, they just care that you sell that bulls**t scam message that this is still "the land of opportunity" or "the richest nation on earth" -- when it most certainly isn't. Its just a few well off or lucky ppl, like you, who are too greedy to pay a tax rate lower than Europes. Grow up.
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#28 Apr 7, 2014
If you think you can or you think you can't, you are right either way. I am neither Republican or Democrat. I am not rich nor have I ever inherited a penny. Work is plentiful for those who are willing to do so. I think we still live in the land of opportunity and am very happy we have not followed the broken European model. Of course I think I can and you Gulf think you can't.That sir is the difference. But what happened to Tim Taranto? I bet he had a real bad hangover on Saturday.
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#29 Apr 7, 2014
To tell the truth wrote:
If you think you can or you think you can't, you are right either way. I am neither Republican or Democrat. I am not rich nor have I ever inherited a penny. Work is plentiful for those who are willing to do so. I think we still live in the land of opportunity and am very happy we have not followed the broken European model. Of course I think I can and you Gulf think you can't.That sir is the difference. But what happened to Tim Taranto? I bet he had a real bad hangover on Saturday.
If you're criticizing "the European model" & unions then you're a f**king Republican. Maybe a libertarian, which are a little even to the further right crazy, but a Republican none the less.

I have over 100 standing applications at numerous places INCLUDING fast food restaurants. I've "lowered" myself to working at those dumps. NO CALLS BACK. Lowes won't even let you APPLY for a job unless there's an opening at the store you wanna work at. There are openings at the Gulfport store but its not worth driving way the hell out there. If I do that may as well drive to Mobile.

Its not "willpower" or "willingness to work."

Its about capital & access to social networks with people who can hire you. Something you obviously have a lot of.

As for Mr. Taranto -- his private life is his private business. So long as he's not racking up millions on the public dime like the Walker crooks, I could care less what he does with his spare time....if he likes philandering w/women, that's his business, not mine....
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#30 Apr 7, 2014
The European model has created stagnation that is spread out over an entire continent. If you have over 100 standing applications for employment spread around and you are not getting any job offers you need to change your deodorant or toothpaste or your clothes. I mentioned Taranto's name because that is the subject of this blog. His personal life is being lived out in public on most Friday nights under the influence. Poor guy, if he only knew what was coming down.
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#31 Apr 8, 2014
To tell the truth wrote:
The European model has created stagnation that is spread out over an entire continent. If you have over 100 standing applications for employment spread around and you are not getting any job offers you need to change your deodorant or toothpaste or your clothes. I mentioned Taranto's name because that is the subject of this blog. His personal life is being lived out in public on most Friday nights under the influence. Poor guy, if he only knew what was coming down.
LOL change my toothpaste -- you apply on the internet....yo'u don't apply in person.

The problem is that they're awash in applications because there are so many unemployed people from Bush's recession & from all these f**king Mexicans who came here after Katrina & never left....
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#32 Apr 8, 2014
Obviously you need to change your attitude first and foremost. Always going to blame somebody else for your falling short. This time it is Bush. Of course the Mexicans would not be here if the demand for their services was not strong and the work ethic the have even stronger. I do not personally know anyone who wants to work that is not employed. Maybe it is the well educated, socially connected, can do people I choose to surround myself with. Time for a change Gulf. Plenty of opportunities out there for people who have something to offer.
gulf

Perkinston, MS

#33 Apr 8, 2014
To tell the truth wrote:
Obviously you need to change your attitude first and foremost. Always going to blame somebody else for your falling short. This time it is Bush. Of course the Mexicans would not be here if the demand for their services was not strong and the work ethic the have even stronger. I do not personally know anyone who wants to work that is not employed. Maybe it is the well educated, socially connected, can do people I choose to surround myself with. Time for a change Gulf. Plenty of opportunities out there for people who have something to offer.
lol work ethic.

We could bring in starving peasants from India & Africa & put them out in the fields & I guarantee you they'd work the Mexicans under the table. The question isn't whether they will work. The question is -- do you want all the sh*t that comes with them? Higher jail/police costs, higher welfare costs, gotta put their kids thru school(about 10k dollars a year PER KID, isn't cheap)-- taxpayer picks up the cost while business owners get the cheapo labor.

"Plenty of opportunities" -- you know even if that were true -- the only region really hiring now is in North Dakota. It was 20 degrees there yesterday...

It gets colder there than in northern Alaska. Its tundra half the year. And from what I've been reading the homeless shelters up there are putting people on Greyhounds -- as in one way tickets back home because employers won't just hire you "off the street."

NOBODY is hiring except the parasite banks. And they only hire people who are connected & who can help them steal from your 401k....

If you can't see the brutally obvious then you need to either see a shrink or go stick your head back in your martini. Because there's really nothing else that can be said.

"Can do" -- lol -- heard that phrase before, from Ronnie Ray-gun. Can do what exactly? You ever worked fast food or labor work? If you're lucky you make 200 bucks a week. You gonna get out of debt & get a mortgage & a car note & full insurance(which is required for a car note) with that pay? Dafuq outa here....

Go see a shrink. Or sniff around & find out what they're paying laborers nowadays, it ain't much. Even trades that pay a lousy 15 bucks an hr, nursing, welding, stuff like that takes 2 or more yrs of schooling & usually they won't hire you without at least 3 years of work experience. I know most shipyards won't hire you w/o having at least 5 yrs experience and being 1st class trade status. That's for any craft. Painting, electrician, sheetmetal, union or no union...

"Can do?" With what? Wages have to rise, substantially....
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#34 Apr 9, 2014
Hey Gulf the printed Ms. Press has a headline this morning that they will hire 25,000 people over the next year. I know you will not apply because you predict they will close down in the future. You excuses are pretty damn sad. You need to just admit to yourself that you will do anything not to work. The readers of Topix already know this. I guess when McDonalds pays 30 dollars an hour you would consider this. I need no help because I am exactly where I planned to be after years of hard work and diligence. Time for you to seal the access to your cave and allow the world to pass you by while you continue to come up with new excuses about why you can't. I would recommend professional help but we know that would be a waste. Enjoy your pitty party.
gulf

Perkinston, MS

#35 Apr 10, 2014
Contrary to your Republican narrative trying to smear me as a lazy "never do well" -- I work for my money & I realize I can't reason with an idiot like you who's mind is made up & who's fat, happy & comfortable sitting in the money I'm sure a GOP president got for you. But let me put it this way: I work for my d8mn money -- every nickel of it.

I don't work for it -- I don't get it, comprende?

I"m honest & I played by the rules & I got screwed.

Up until a few yrs ago I could find work by applying. I've been doing that for a while now. Yesterday I filled out a half-hr long application for a job that pays 7.25 an hour(before taxes are taken out) for 15 hrs a week.

Half an hour just for a shot at a lousy 90 bucks a week.

Something is wrong, desperately wrong with this economy. If you're happy & comfortable and have a fat f**king face full of food chances are there isn't much that can be said but when your connections run out or they get hosed by the deflationary sh*tstorm we're entering right now -- don't come whining to me for a handout....cuz there won't be one.
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#36 Apr 11, 2014
Gulf you failed to make an excuse for why you will not apply for employment at the shipyard even after they announced jobs for he taking. I would also like to remind you again I am not a Republican. You must stop using politics as your reason for a very meager life. And why would anyone come wining to you looking for a handout when you have made it perfectly clear you have nothing because you played by the rules and lost? Your doomsday predictions are another reason to work hard and save up whatever you can. But first this would require a job which you can't seem to motivate yourself towards. Does not look like you have worked for your money in recent years based on your own comments. I know is the Mexicans fault.
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#37 Apr 11, 2014
LOL sure you're not a Republican. As for the shipyard -- how do you know I haven't applied there? Again if you knew what you were talking about you'd know the "hiring 2500 people" is a press release to make the situation look better than it really is.

They've been LAYING OFF THE LAST FEW YRS. They forced my neighbor who's been there since the 70s to retire last year. He was only 62, he's not old at all. And he had a desk computer job there.

They're getting rid of the career guys who make 30 bucks an hr and they're hiring 25 yr olds they can work for 16 an hr. They're also only hiring 1st class tradesman. You don't have 2 to 3 yrs of trade skills -- good luck getting a job dude.

And the apprentice program? Yea -- been interviewed for that 4 times. Passed all the tests when I was younger. But it was always "150 guys going for 20 slots" kinda thing. The guys "who knew people" got on, the ones who didn't - didn't.

My former coworker went up there 7 times & did the interview process and passed all the tests -- they only hire a few people and lay off 2k-4k. They still have a net layoff. Examine the longer trend -- not the short term trend. When the coast guard cutter work dries up in 2 or 3 years they're gonna have another round of layoffs.
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#38 Apr 11, 2014
OK Gulf . You have your reasons for not going there. Let us not loose sight of the purpose of this particular blog. This was established to discuss the failings of a guy named Tim Taranto not the failings of Gulf. So lets agree to move on. I guess we need a new subject. You have exposed your self with thousands of words and I have been accused of being an illegal alien loving, Republican thinking, fat f'ing king faced, shrink needing, can do kind of damn fool. So be it. Hey, you know Taranto is a Republican. That should get you going.
Gulf

Show Low, AZ

#39 Apr 11, 2014
You were the idiot who started all this by attacking this redneck & his personal life. Who gives a sh*t what he does in his private life. Can't be much seedier than what that racist DINO Connie Moron & her tampon-infused artsy fartsy friends do in their private time or what the other redneck good old boys on the BOA do in their free time. But like I said -- at least with the good old boys -- you can reason with them most of the time. At least they keep budgets & can keep up basic maintenance.....

Get a few southern women with a penchant for borrowing millions of dollars to blow on flower gardens & cutesy wutesy signs & now you understand why the school district is screwed, why the city is screwed. Why the city is close to maxing out its millage(though not yet) like the school district.

Its why Baggett left. Its why Hirsch retired & took his pension early.

Its why most of the quality people are leaving and why Ms. Coleman Potter will leave eventually too -- because they know what's coming and they're getting out of dodge before the shtf.

I don't care what Mr. Taranto does nor is it my business.

But what I do know is all the cities & school districts in this country are in trouble besides Pascagoula but that's because Chevron is propping them up. When the shtf & Chevron looks into relocating back to Texas...oh boy the funw ill start.
To tell the truth

Ocean Springs, MS

#40 Apr 12, 2014
I am glad to see your back on track. I was starting to feel sorry for you and looking in the help wanted ads. Now you don't really think Chevron would move their largest refinery to Texas do you? With several billion in expansions over the last decade this would not seem likely. Plus no new refinery constructed in the last 20 years and they run at capacity 24/7 out their at this money machine. No reason to go anywhere. The problems the OSSD has are much bigger than just flowers are will not be resolved easily. The city needs to cut all the waste but part of the appeal is landscape which helps draw people to the area who in turn spend money. Moran is your kind of politician, she is a Democrat. How can you not love that?

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