Common Core in OS School District

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Concerned About the Futur

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Jul 11, 2013
 
I understand the OSSD is going with Common Core. This is a program that many other school district's parents have discovered contains dangerously distorted history lessons and statist belief system direction.
Gulf

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Jul 12, 2013
 
The hell do you mean by 'statist belief system'? And what distorted history?
Concerned About the Futur

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Jul 12, 2013
 
News reports from Texas indicate reading assignments that remove classic literature and replace it with government manuals from the EPA and lesson plans that change terrorist attacks to freedom fighter actions, and a lesson plan that includes students designing a flag for a socialist nation they invent. That's a start. Google it. Many states are resisting a federal standard.
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Jul 12, 2013
 
All states should resist this. It scares the hell out of me.
Gulf

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Jul 13, 2013
 

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Concerned About the Futur wrote:
News reports from Texas indicate reading assignments that remove classic literature and replace it with government manuals from the EPA and lesson plans that change terrorist attacks to freedom fighter actions, and a lesson plan that includes students designing a flag for a socialist nation they invent. That's a start. Google it. Many states are resisting a federal standard.
As somebody who got more of a humanities type education going back I wish I would have read/been taught to read more tech manuals back then. Including EPA manuals over drivel like "Catcher in the Rye" or "20 Thousand Leagues" & that other drivel I learned in English class that had no real world relevance to work.

As for terror attacks as "freedom fighter attacks" - what attacks? And in what context? And how is that "statist?"

And "socialist nation" -- lol we already are. What the hell do you call state & federal pension systems, unemployment insurance, TANF, food stamps, Section 8, WIC, etc etc etc?

You know I'll be the 1st to tell you the same thing Clint Eastwood said in that Dirty Harry sequel back in the 70s -- sometimes I hate the govt too & they can do some of the stupidest sh*t imaginable but I've always found libertarian nuts even stupider than "party men" who blindly follow one party or the other. If they think anarchy capitalism is so great they should go fly to Somalia, they have a nice little experiment in libertarianism going on right now.

For all its faults I prefer the fed. govt to the hillbilly good old boy corrupt clowns who run this state.
Orville

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Jul 13, 2013
 
Gulf wrote:
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As somebody who got more of a humanities type education going back I wish I would have read/been taught to read more tech manuals back then. Including EPA manuals over drivel like "Catcher in the Rye" or "20 Thousand Leagues" & that other drivel I learned in English class that had no real world relevance to work.
As for terror attacks as "freedom fighter attacks" - what attacks? And in what context? And how is that "statist?"
And "socialist nation" -- lol we already are. What the hell do you call state & federal pension systems, unemployment insurance, TANF, food stamps, Section 8, WIC, etc etc etc?
You know I'll be the 1st to tell you the same thing Clint Eastwood said in that Dirty Harry sequel back in the 70s -- sometimes I hate the govt too & they can do some of the stupidest sh*t imaginable but I've always found libertarian nuts even stupider than "party men" who blindly follow one party or the other. If they think anarchy capitalism is so great they should go fly to Somalia, they have a nice little experiment in libertarianism going on right now.
For all its faults I prefer the fed. govt to the hillbilly good old boy corrupt clowns who run this state.
Do they get to wear their Jackboots and Brown Shirts too? This Jimmy Carter abomination called the Department of Education could be as detrimental to this nation as ObamaCare is certainly going to be. It is my strongly held belief that education is a state function. A feral federal government should have no say in how Mississippians educate their children. I think it worked pretty well prior to the Ivy-League 'enlightenment' we have received since Carter foisted this monstrosity off on the American people.
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Jul 13, 2013
 
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Do they get to wear their Jackboots and Brown Shirts too? This Jimmy Carter abomination called the Department of Education could be as detrimental to this nation as ObamaCare is certainly going to be. It is my strongly held belief that education is a state function. A feral federal government should have no say in how Mississippians educate their children. I think it worked pretty well prior to the Ivy-League 'enlightenment' we have received since Carter foisted this monstrosity off on the American people.
Yes because educating kids is bad?/sarcasm lol

I never understood the hatred of the Dept of Education. Why is it bad? For all its faults -- and for all the failing schools it could be so much worse. People are spoiled in this country. They should spend time in a f**khole like Honduras or Mexico if they wanna see what badly-funded schools are like.
Orville

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Jul 15, 2013
 
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Yes because educating kids is bad?/sarcasm lol
I never understood the hatred of the Dept of Education. Why is it bad? For all its faults -- and for all the failing schools it could be so much worse. People are spoiled in this country. They should spend time in a f**khole like Honduras or Mexico if they wanna see what badly-funded schools are like.
Seriously, are you saying our schools are underfunded?

You don't understand the animus toward the Department of Education?

You no doubt have heard the phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". This is another one of those 'feel good' programs that has come off the tracks. It has become a huge bureaucratic morass that now extends to how we feed our children, what politically correct views we allow in the classroom, title IX, sex education, condom and birth control distribution, HPV inoculations for pre-pubescent girls etc., etc.

What has happened in more than a few school districts is that public education is turning out functionally illiterate children. On the coast we have some decent public schools but nationally, the federal government is a colossal failure at educating our children.

Eliminate the Department of Education in it's entirety. Make block grants to the states for education and let the states coordinate and learn from each other.
Gulf

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Jul 19, 2013
 
Orville wrote:
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Seriously, are you saying our schools are underfunded?
You don't understand the animus toward the Department of Education?
You no doubt have heard the phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". This is another one of those 'feel good' programs that has come off the tracks. It has become a huge bureaucratic morass that now extends to how we feed our children, what politically correct views we allow in the classroom, title IX, sex education, condom and birth control distribution, HPV inoculations for pre-pubescent girls etc., etc.
What has happened in more than a few school districts is that public education is turning out functionally illiterate children. On the coast we have some decent public schools but nationally, the federal government is a colossal failure at educating our children.
Eliminate the Department of Education in it's entirety. Make block grants to the states for education and let the states coordinate and learn from each other.
Don't get me wrong, I know govts can have insane graft, corruption & "over-hiring." Especially black-run school districts like Moss Point where the staff is top heavy & yet the kids keep flunking out & acting like hoodlums & the schools are basically glorified day care programs for drunks & drughead parents so they don't have to deal with their kids. I know all about that brother.

But generally speaking the DOE is a good thing. I trust them far more than I do state DOE's. Especially the hicks, crooked good old boys & morons who run this state's DOE. For all its faults if we cut the Pentagon's budget & the CIA's budget & the rest of the bloated military industrial budget we'd have plenty of cash for the DOE....to better improve instruction.

Bloc grants are the worst idea we can think of, no offense. It may work in states that have higher test scores like Vermont with very how shall we put it to stay politically correct, homogeneous student populations. But in places like California or Michigan or Mississippi or Illinois - if we did bloc grants the state DOEs in those states would just pilfer the money into crackpot pet programs that throw more money after bad & that enrich political allies.

As for the federal govt -- dissolving entire federal depts doesn't make a lotta sense, considering the Feds tend to be more sophisticated in their programs & allocation of money in comparison to the morons & incompetents & crooks who run this state.
Orville

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Jul 22, 2013
 

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This should help clear up for you and others my fears pertaining to anything the Obama administration attempts. Common Core isn't about education, it is about politics.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Gulf

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Jul 22, 2013
 
Eh not reading a Republican hit piece. I'm not going to get nasty as I like to keep things civil when it comes to right vs left crap. So let's just say "we agree to disagree" & part on good terms.
Orville

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Hit piece? Although it is posted on a center right blog, it is quite even handed in it's approach. Me thinks you are inclined more to the Arne Duncan/Barack Obama mindset that they know better than the parents and the American people when it comes to educating their children. Both are Harvard educated, out of Chicago, Ivy League elitist, extreme left wing career politicians neither having ever had a job or position outside of government. Hit pieces are what MSNBC, the MSM, the Huffington Post and other Obama sycophantic sites publish on a daily basis. Breitbart and other center and center right blogs are the alternative to this rubbish. Let me state again, the federal government should have no say at all in determining what or how any state educates their children.
Orville

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Further questions by lawmakers.

http://www.wlox.com/story/22913732/miss-lawma...
Orville

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Here are more examples of Arne Duncan's Education Department 'educating the public'.

"The senators cited a recent interview in which Secretary of Education Arne Duncan described DoED's role. The senators noted that "[g]iven that the Administration spent the last several months warning of alleged catastrophe from cutting approximately $85.3 billion out of a $3 trillion budget as part of sequestration, it is particularly surprising that unrelated resources, which previously could not be reduced, are now being used to implement or promote the health care law."

"During a recent interview, Secretary Duncan stated that the Department of Education will assist with the dissemination of health care information and that there is a team at the Department of Education currently helping with implementation".

What in the world is the Secretary of Education doing expending resources appropriated for basic education being used for thumping the tub for Obamacare?

This just further indicates that the Education Department is simply an arm of the DNC and is readily available for propagandizing our children.

Further proof of just how far we have come down that slippery slope called Socialism.
Orville

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Aug 18, 2013
 
Common Core principles being discussed by a teachers association. Eye opening indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Anderson

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Aug 18, 2013
 
Orville wrote:
Common Core principles being discussed by a teachers association. Eye opening indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I'm going to propose something that is controversial, offensive to some, & what I think a lot of people are thinking in private but not saying: the kids nowadays are just too stupid to learn these crazy ever-growing standards. I think we've reached the limits of what these kids can PHYSICALLY learn. Meaning their brains just aren't wired for whatever reason to pick up this stuff. Or if they are, they can't do so in the time constraints we're trying to push.

This is like 'worker productivity'-- student productivity has peaked & its downhill from here.

Why is this? I've heard plenty of different explanations over the years. For one thing, it could be racial demographics. And this is the most controversial theory out there to explain away this data. There are those who say that for whatever reason -- blacks & hispanics -- and since over half of all births now are to minorities, this will only get worse -- just cannot function & have genetic determinants to their IQ & levels of analytic ability. I don't personally think that's the entire explanation but I do strongly feel that that is a "portion" of the explanation. Graduation rates & test score rates are falling because the racial makeup of the student body statistically simply put dictates those with less genetic ability to achieve academically. These people are better suited for trade work & blue collar service work. This concept that "every child can succeed" is very emotional to some but I think its factually incorrect. And I was skeptical at 1st but as I've read more into this, there seems to be solid evidence to back this up. Not every black child is going to be WEB Dubois or Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Not every minority child is going to be a college professor a dentist or an engineer, they just genetically do not have the aptitude to put out at levels sufficient to keep the current professional economy moving.

Another issue that could have something to do with it is diet. Kids nowadays survive on hot pockets & bags of store-brand Doritos & hormone-laced low-grade meat & GMO vegetables -- when they do eat fruits/vegetables, which is rare. Their diets are full of enriched garbage that doesn't "feed" their brains & bodies the nutrients their bodies need to function @ 110% like the public policy wonk idiots like these "Mississippi Education First" groups tend to push. The old "law of diminishing returns" thing. You can raise standards but results will flatline or even decline, even if you double or triple the money you spend on education.

Other disparate reasons could include a culture where "learning isn't fun" & its easier/more "cool" for kids to be functionally retarded where they eat junk food, do dope, play video games 8 hrs a day, don't get enough sleep, etc etc....other reasons include the fact that minorities' family structure is collapsing(latinos, 53% out of wedlock birth rate, 73% for blacks)-- there's no father around & the mother is an incompetent on welfare who won't enforce discipline or studying for her kids that she may not even really want but that may just be a means to an end so the welfare keeps pumping. 50% or more of kids being born are to minorities so with no father around for d*mn near half of these kids naturally their grades fall. More minorities with genetic & dietary & family "limits" on their ability -- the lower your results.

There's also correlation between your class & your economic/academic success. The richer you are, the better you do.

Another reason could be ppl see the economy out there & realize what's the pt. in going to college to get a job a basketweaving field if you'll just end up with a mountain of student debt & no job out the other end besides Burger King -- something you didn't need college to get in the 1st place....

There are plenty of reasons but those are a few.
Orville

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Sep 4, 2013
 
More of the same coming to schools near you.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/04/critics-...
Anderson

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Sep 4, 2013
 
There's give & take. Common Core seems to dumb down the math a little but I understand what they're trying to do with getting across methodology over rote memorization.

That being said I strongly agree with the Common Core's emphasis of "less literature." In high school I would have loved to do more tech manuals & textbooks.

Many people are meant to go to trade school or in the military. They're not meant to go to college to get their PhD in gender studies or some useless slop like that.

And that kind of trade learning would have been excellent for me. Literature is largely useless but English majors realize that they won't be able to 'have fun' any more debating useless theories about Shakespeare's or James Joyce's intent over book A or play B.

Its better to learn how to read blueprints or a tech manual or how to write a research paper or resume or other tech writing -- than it is to read books you can read any time by checking them out from the library.
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Sep 11, 2013
 
Read and weep. Your federal Department of Education at work.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/04/critics-...
Orville

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Sep 13, 2013
 
All high school tenth graders need to read this? More Arne Duncan madness.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

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