Women s groups protest Debicella rema...

Women s groups protest Debicella remarks on rape

There are 58 comments on the Connecticut Post story from Oct 29, 2008, titled Women s groups protest Debicella remarks on rape. In it, Connecticut Post reports that:

Women's rights groups staged a rally Wednesday to protest state Sen. Dan Debicella's remarks about rape victims at a debate a day earlier, blasting the GOP lawmaker as insensitive.

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Michael Brown

Bayonne, NJ

#48 Oct 31, 2008
HowProudWeShouldBe wrote:
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Care to be more specific, or provide a link at least?
Joel seems to be sleeping so I will reply. The charges he are true. Off topic, but true. It was revealed that a Democratic State Rep paid off a family after it was discovered he had been molesting their daughter. This happen many year ago. Someone brought it to the attention Jim Amann, the Speaker of the House four years ago. The Rep denied the charges, pointing to the fact that there were no criminal charges filed in the case.

An extremely sorted affair indeed.

Both the Rep in question and the Speaker are not running for re-election.
Michael Brown

Bayonne, NJ

#49 Oct 31, 2008
Just a thought. It is not equivalent but, it would be great if Sen. Dan Debicella stepped down as well.
Otto Bismark

Germany

#50 Oct 31, 2008
Why is anyone surprised that Doc Gunther's hand picked protegee is a right wing sexist bigot who is deeming to women?

Duh.
Otto Bismark

Germany

#51 Oct 31, 2008
Maybe we all shoudl stage a boycott of his employers products....he is a Pepsi executive.
Michael Brown

Bayonne, NJ

#52 Oct 31, 2008
Reader wrote:
Everyone's so quick to say that if the Catholic hospitals don't want to provide the pill then they shouldn't get public funding -- then the Catholic hospitals should stop treating everyone who comes through their doors regardless of whether they have insurance -- then those without it can go to a non-Catholic hospital and those tax dollars will pay for them.
The Catholic Church is the largest private provider of social services yet constantly has to put up with threats of pulling public funds. If the Church suddenly withdrew those services, the government would have to pick up it and its massive pricetag.
If there's a seperation of church and state, then the state shouldn't be able to force a Catholic hospital to provide treatment that goes again its fundamental beliefs.
Simple solution: if you get raped, don't go to a Catholic hospital if you want that treatment. You have a choice!
You've got a point. The Roman Catholic Church should get out of the hospital business and stick to what they do best - praying for gay people to be straight, exorcisms, and of course, miracles. We need more miracles nowadays Get to it Pope Benedict.

That, said, the Catholic Church does so much real good work around the world. Most of the work comes without demagoguery. The Connecticut Archdioceses has has full time lobbyists up at the Capital - and I can assure you that most of their work is pushing church doctrine into State Law.
ST V employee

Compton, CA

#53 Oct 31, 2008
Lets be Real wrote:
Debicella as actually protecting the seperation of church and state. This country has become socialist in terms of passing laws to force private corporation to abide by the wishes of special interest. Whether you want to believe it or not, a hospital is a privately run enterprise, not a public agency. There are hospitals other than Catholic hospitals, and if the Catholic church doctrine opposes contraception, then don't go there. It is the same as supporting a business that uses child labor...don't buy from them.
Debicellas vote has nothing to do with his compassion for a rape victim, it has to do with what is right or wrong. I am happy that he can seperate his emotions and do his job without making knee-jerk emotionally charged decisions. He is obviously his own man and not controlled by the special interest, no matter who they are.
I work for St Vincent's in finance and, yes they do use public money to help run the hospital.

Since: Mar 08

Stratford, CT

#55 Nov 4, 2008
MAG in NM wrote:
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No, he doesn't keep a separation. He's trying to impose Catholicism on everyone. And it's that separation that will protect this country from having sharia law imposed on it if, as some paranoid fools insist on shrieking, "the Muslims" ever take over.
If you're taken to a hospital in an ambulance, you don't get to tell them which hospital to take you to. You end up at whichever one is closest or whichever one that ambulance is contracted with. Therefore, EC has to be available at all hospitals that rape victims may be taken to, including Catholic ones. If the Catholics don't want to provide care to all patients, not just Catholic ones, they should get out of the hospital business.
FYI the man is NOT a Catholic but a fundamentalist CHRISTIAN...As for the rest of your comment the Catholic hospitals have all faiths on staff Muslims,Jews,Agnostic,Atheist and also administers health care to ANY RACE COLOR OR CREED...Don't know where you got your info but you are WRONG!
MAG in NM

Newington, CT

#56 Nov 4, 2008
THE GENUINEPHYLLIS wrote:
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FYI the man is NOT a Catholic but a fundamentalist CHRISTIAN...As for the rest of your comment the Catholic hospitals have all faiths on staff Muslims,Jews,Agnostic,Atheist and also administers health care to ANY RACE COLOR OR CREED...Don't know where you got your info but you are WRONG!
Read what I wrote again, dear. I have no idea what faith the man is, and it's irrelevant. He was voting to allow the Catholic hospitals to impose their Catholic doctrine on everyone who walks into the Catholic hospital, whether they're Catholic or not. It doesn't matter what faiths work there. If the hospital goes by Catholic doctrine and refuses to stock Plan B, no one who goes there has that option, period, regardless of the faith of the patient or the faith of the care provider.

So what he wants is for a rape victim who gets taken to a Catholic hospital in an ambulance after a brutal attack to get up off her stretcher and drag her broken body to a different hospital or pharmacy so she doesn't have to bear the child of her attacker. Or she can suffer another trauma later when she has that rape seed aborted because some priest running a hospital decided she shouldn't have access to a pill that would prevent the pregnancy in the first place.

The bill was not asking the Catholic church to hand out Plan B in the churches. It was asking them to hand it out at hospitals, where proper medical treatment is expected. Plan B is proper medical treatment to prevent pregnancy after rape, not to abort a pregnancy once it's started (Plan B doesn't work once the fertilized egg is actually attached to the uterine wall; the hormone changes that event triggers negate its effects). Therefore, Mr. Debicella's attempt to allow the Catholic hospitals to not offer it to their patients was an attempt to let those hospitals dictate patient treatment based on their religion with no regard for their patients' religions.
mikereynolds

West Hartford, CT

#57 Nov 5, 2008
So I was doing some number checking and discovered that Dan Debicella lost Stratford. If it wasn’t for Shelton he would have lost his seat.

I guess that’s Stratford’s way of saying,“Hey Dan, even though you helped pass legislation to help stop the EPA from dumping hazardous waste in our neighborhoods, we’re going to vote against you as our way of saying thanks.”

Way to go Stratford. Stick it to the guy who helps you. Fabulous. Maybe the Mayor shouldn’t be the only one labeled moron.
RU NUTZ

Paterson, NJ

#59 Dec 7, 2008
Michael Brown wrote:
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Of course we are talking about rape and emergency contraception here.
I'm afraid you are the one who doesn't understand the word choice when used in the context "pro-choice." (from Wikipedia) Pro-choice describes the political and ethical view that a woman should have complete control over her fertility and the choice to continue or terminate a pregnancy.
So remember rape is not choice.
Right so choose another hospital,it is just that simple. Rape victim can go to BPT, or any other hospital we are not talking a stroke here where the first 1/2 of treatment imperative! End of discussion & your bullshiaat comments you moron!
RU NUTZ

Paterson, NJ

#60 Dec 7, 2008
MAG in NM wrote:
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Read what I wrote again, dear. I have no idea what faith the man is, and it's irrelevant. He was voting to allow the Catholic hospitals to impose their Catholic ..... no one who goes there has that option, period, regardless of the faith of the patient or the faith of the care provider.
So what he wants is for a rape victim who gets taken to a Catholic hospital in an ambulance after a brutal attack to get up off her stretcher .......
The bill was not asking the Catholic church to hand out Plan B in the churches. It was asking them to hand it out at hospitals, where proper medical treatment is expected. Plan B is proper medical treatment to prevent pregnancy after ... Therefore, Mr. Debicella's attempt to allow the Catholic hospitals to not offer it to their patients was an attempt to let those hospitals dictate patient treatment based on their religion with no regard for their patients' religions.
Get over it & yourself. You and your lame candidate did NOT win. Your point and case is asinine at best...This issue was twisted and turned. Most here fully understood your earlier comments. You are way off base. Again in rape time is NOT of the essence for plan B...don't like St V's Doctrines go elsewhere. You are beating a lame issue to death,perhaps Plan B was late in coming. Had it been available we would not have to contend with your preposterous comments.
Get Real

Berlin, CT

#61 Dec 7, 2008
ST V employee wrote:
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I work for St Vincent's in finance and, yes they do use public money to help run the hospital.
Yes, they sure do, and they don't pay a dime in taxes to Bridgeport. As far as Debicella, he'd change his tune quick if a female family member/friend/neighbor was a rape victim.

Since: Nov 08

Wayne, NJ

#62 Dec 8, 2008
RU NUTZ wrote:
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Right so choose another hospital,it is just that simple. Rape victim can go to BPT, or any other hospital we are not talking a stroke here where the first 1/2 of treatment imperative! End of discussion & your bullshiaat comments you moron!
One of the women that gave testimony for this law explained how she had been thrown into the truck of a car by four men, driven to a wooded area and raped by all four men. The rapists then smashed her in the head with a stone and left her for dead. when regained consciousness, she dragged herself to a nearby house. An ambulance was called and took her to the nearest hospital. She didn't have a choice - you moron.
resident

Hamden, CT

#63 Dec 8, 2008
Get Real wrote:
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Yes, they sure do, and they don't pay a dime in taxes to Bridgeport. As far as Debicella, he'd change his tune quick if a female family member/friend/neighbor was a rape victim.
The Catholic Church is the largest provider of social services in the nation. Try going to a secular hospital if you don't have insurance and see how far you get. A Catholic hospital will treat you and won't go after your house and/or paycheck to get paid. They give back far more than they get in state funding.

It's convenient that you all cry "seperation of church and state" when it suits you but ignore it when it doesn't.

No one is preventing anyone from getting the treatment. Everywhere there is a Catholic hospital there's a secular hospital right next to it so there's always that choice. If I or someone in my family wanted it, that is what we would do -- not bitch and moan about the Catholic hospital.
Get Real

Hartford, CT

#64 Dec 8, 2008
resident - I was referring to St. Vincent's, and sorry to say, it used to be a great hospital, but now its dirty and understaffed. My cousin worked there and recently left. It went down the tubes when both Yale and Columbia Presbyterian dumped them. You could die waiting for treatment in Emergency. A doctor who couldn't even speak english sent my neighbor's kid home with what he called a stomach virus, and the next day his appendix burst. This is the sad truth, I know, I drove her and the kid to Bridgeport Hospital. Its a wonder he didn't die.

Since: Mar 08

Stratford, CT

#65 Dec 9, 2008
Get Real wrote:
resident - I was referring to St. Vincent's, and sorry to say, it used to be a great hospital, but now its dirty and understaffed. My cousin worked there and recently left. It went down the tubes when both Yale and Columbia Presbyterian dumped them. You could die waiting for treatment in Emergency. A doctor who couldn't even speak english sent my neighbor's kid home with what he called a stomach virus, and the next day his appendix burst. This is the sad truth, I know, I drove her and the kid to Bridgeport Hospital. Its a wonder he didn't die.
Same stuff goes on at BPT hosp and Milford both failed my kid...misdiagnosed with pneumonia when she actually had myocardosis,pericarditis(enlar gement of heart and surrounding fluid) and @ age 24 was going into heart failure due to medication Milford Hospital prescribed for the pneumonia she DID NOT HAVE.. the "dirty and and understaffed" St. Vincents saved my daughter's life this time last year. Most everyone has had bad experience at any of the hospitals including the infamous Yale notorious for misdiagnosis for many years for those with advanced Lyme disease. Best bet is to try to stay the hey out of these places and advocate for your family member/friends should they become patients in any hospital. Most hospitals (as with any other field today) are grossly understaffed. Too much "outsourcing" importing less than adequate health providers. I certainly understand and share your disgust and frustration!
An Idle Observer

Malden, MA

#66 Dec 9, 2008
MAG in NM wrote:
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Read what I wrote again, dear. I have no idea what faith the man is, and it's irrelevant. He was voting to allow the Catholic hospitals to impose their Catholic doctrine on everyone who walks into the Catholic hospital, whether they're Catholic or not. It doesn't matter what faiths work there. If the hospital goes by Catholic doctrine and refuses to stock Plan B, no one who goes there has that option, period, regardless of the faith of the patient or the faith of the care provider.
So what he wants is for a rape victim who gets taken to a Catholic hospital in an ambulance after a brutal attack to get up off her stretcher and drag her broken body to a different hospital or pharmacy so she doesn't have to bear the child of her attacker. Or she can suffer another trauma later when she has that rape seed aborted because some priest running a hospital decided she shouldn't have access to a pill that would prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
The bill was not asking the Catholic church to hand out Plan B in the churches. It was asking them to hand it out at hospitals, where proper medical treatment is expected. Plan B is proper medical treatment to prevent pregnancy after rape, not to abort a pregnancy once it's started (Plan B doesn't work once the fertilized egg is actually attached to the uterine wall; the hormone changes that event triggers negate its effects). Therefore, Mr. Debicella's attempt to allow the Catholic hospitals to not offer it to their patients was an attempt to let those hospitals dictate patient treatment based on their religion with no regard for their patients' religions.
If you remove the word "Catholic" from your posts and replace it with "Black" , "Jew", or "Latvian Dwarf" you would be correctly accused of racist behavior. However, Catholics seem to be an acceptable minority to subject to your verbal pogrom. I pity you.

Since: Mar 08

Stratford, CT

#67 Dec 9, 2008
An Idle Observer wrote:
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If you remove the word "Catholic" from your posts and replace it with "Black" , "Jew", or "Latvian Dwarf" you would be correctly accused of racist behavior. However, Catholics seem to be an acceptable minority to subject to your verbal pogrom. I pity you.
You know you are 100% correct!

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