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When is your name written in the Book of Life?

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Nicholasville, KY

#1 Jul 5, 2009
When do you think your name is written in the Book of LIfe?
I like to calmly and prayerfully discuss things.
moon pie

Brownsburg, VA

#2 Jul 5, 2009
Hello!I dont think your name is written until your passing.I'm probably wrong,just my thoughts.I feel that you have to prove your self to the bitter end.Too many people backslide.I know alot of people who go to church on Sunday,then drink and swarp on Monday.I think you have to put forth the effort of being the best Christian you can be,and not just say I'm a Christian and I'm going to Heaven.I don't think it works like that.You have to live the best you can each and EVERY day.Too many people STRADDLE THE FENCE.I am not a christian,I was raised by GOD fearing Christians,and was in Church almost everytime the doors were open for Aprrox. 17 years.My mom talks to me about God on a daily basis,and I ask questions that I'm concerned about.She is pretty knowledgeable about the Bible.I am so lucky to have a mom like her and friends like you.Pray for me!I have been thinking of church for the last few days,and it's tugging at my heart.
PRAYERS

Nicholasville, KY

#3 Jul 5, 2009
moon pie wrote:
Hello!I dont think your name is written until your passing.I'm probably wrong,just my thoughts.I feel that you have to prove your self to the bitter end.Too many people backslide.I know alot of people who go to church on Sunday,then drink and swarp on Monday.I think you have to put forth the effort of being the best Christian you can be,and not just say I'm a Christian and I'm going to Heaven.I don't think it works like that.You have to live the best you can each and EVERY day.Too many people STRADDLE THE FENCE.I am not a christian,I was raised by GOD fearing Christians,and was in Church almost everytime the doors were open for Aprrox. 17 years.My mom talks to me about God on a daily basis,and I ask questions that I'm concerned about.She is pretty knowledgeable about the Bible.I am so lucky to have a mom like her and friends like you.Pray for me!I have been thinking of church for the last few days,and it's tugging at my heart.
Moon Pie so glad you are thinking about going to Church. I have been a Christian for over 30 years and I can tell you it is the best way to live your life. I want to make a difference before I die and leave this world. As for me I don't care which Church you go to just find one that preaches the BIBLE not what they interpret. I think there are good people in ALL Churches.
I understand from what I have read about when your name is written in the Book of Life is when you are borned your name is written in and if you live contrary to the WORD then sin covers your name. If you die in sin then your name is blotted out.
I don't know everything about the BIBLE I'm still learning and will until the day I die.
I will remember you in my prayers and please remember me.
oh boy

Nicholasville, KY

#4 Jul 5, 2009
There are two books of life one has the names of everyone ever in existence while the other (Lamb's book of life) has the names of everyone who has trusted that Jesus, as the son of God, is the only one who can forgive you of yours sins; written in it.

My name has been in the Lamb's book of life since April 19th 2007.
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#5 Jul 5, 2009
Romans 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

According to this verse there were some names NOT written in the book of life and these names were excluded at the same time the other names were included......FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

This would indicate that the names were written before you and I existed, proving once again the divine sovereignty of almighty God.
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#6 Jul 5, 2009
Psalms 139:16

"Thine eyes did see mine unformed substance;
And in thy book they were all written,
Even the days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was none of them."

In this verse David says that the names were written "when as yet there was none of them."
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#7 Jul 5, 2009
he fact that the Scripture refers to such a book means that some people have been marked out for the enjoyment of everlasting life. This deserves further and careful thought.

First of all, we observe from Scripture that God, from all eternity, compiled a list of those who were to be saved. This 'choice' of sinners, included in his eternal decree, had its origin in his 'good pleasure' or 'heart's desire'(Ephesians 1:4,5,9). The objects of it are called the 'elect', as in 'And shall not God avenge his own elect...?'(Luke 18:7), or as in 'Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect?'(Romans 8:33).

The very term implies, of course, that some names were omitted from the list. As our Lord once said to the disciples,'I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen'(John 13:18 cf. Romans 11:5,7). These persons were not included but were left to perish, their own sin being the procuring cause of their final ruin. Among them were the 'certain men' to whom Jude refers,'before of old, ordained to this condemnation'(Jude 4 cf. Romans 9:22; 1 Peter 2:8). It is usual to designate these the 'reprobate'. This is the word used in a number of places: for example,'reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them'(Jeremiah 6:30); 'Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?'(2 Corinthians 13:5).

Hence, we conclude that, before time began, God chose a people and included them in his saving purpose, while the 'names' of others 'were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world'(Revelation 17:8 cf. 13:8).

No matter how difficult it is for our feeble minds to comprehend, the truth plainly revealed is that God eternally predestined a certain and definite number to eternal life. In the Apostle's words,'He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world ... having predestinated us ... to the praise of the glory of His grace'(Ephesians 1:4-6). Elsewhere Paul wrote,'God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation'(2 Thessalonians 2:13).

It is this divine choice that has made the difference. Without it, all would have remained alike in a state of sin and misery. But, by free and undeserved love, some have been highly favoured and everlastingly privileged. They are looking forward to the glory of the heavenly kingdom. This is due to nothing in them, but only to the rich, distinguishing grace of God.
whitetrash24614

Kissimmee, FL

#8 Jul 5, 2009
read the "knowledge" comment.
moon pie

Brownsburg, VA

#9 Jul 5, 2009
Thank you all for the Bible lesson,I enjoyed reading your post.I will be Praying for my friends on this topic.GOD BLESS
PRAYERS

Nicholasville, KY

#10 Jul 5, 2009
Elder M wrote:
Romans 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."
According to this verse there were some names NOT written in the book of life and these names were excluded at the same time the other names were included......FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
This would indicate that the names were written before you and I existed, proving once again the divine sovereignty of almighty God.
There is no Romans 17:8
Romans only goes to Chapter 16
New Friend

United States

#11 Jul 5, 2009
Good topic.
One's name is written in the "Book of Life" when they become his servant. However, The writing of a person’s name in the "Book of Life” does not predestine that one to eternal life. A person's name can be wiped out from the "Book of Life" as proven in such scriptures as Exodus 32:32,33.
Having one's name remain there depends on his obedience. Proving loyal to God through all trials and tests either until our death or his day arrives.
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#12 Jul 6, 2009
It should have read Revelations 17:8.

Ones name is written in the book of life, for every name is recorded therein. The Lambs book of life includes those names elected or chosen by God before the foundation of the world.

There is no erasing and re-writing in the Lambs book of life.

"..according as he hath chosen US from the foundation of the world, to be holy and without blame before him in love...."
moon pie

Brownsburg, VA

#13 Jul 6, 2009
Are you trying to say that some people are born perfect and without sin?They don't have to repent their sins,and be washed in the blood to be saved.I'm not a preacher or a know it all ,but If thats what your saying then your bad wrong.
Former sinner

Nicholasville, KY

#14 Jul 6, 2009
moon pie wrote:
Are you trying to say that some people are born perfect and without sin?They don't have to repent their sins,and be washed in the blood to be saved.I'm not a preacher or a know it all ,but If thats what your saying then your bad wrong.
The Bible states that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"!

By one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
by one man's obedience many were made righeous!

The Bible plainly states that once you are in his hand no man can pluck you out, however it doesn't say anything about you not being able to jump out of his hand on your own!

When you are born again is when your name is written in the Lamb's book of life and should you turn your back on God it will be removed!
moon pie

Oakvale, WV

#15 Jul 6, 2009
The way I read it,It sounds as if he's saying some were chosen at birth to be perfect,and without worry of sin.You read it and tell me what you tink.
moon pie

Oakvale, WV

#16 Jul 6, 2009
Elder M wrote:
It should have read Revelations 17:8.
Ones name is written in the book of life, for every name is recorded therein. The Lambs book of life includes those names elected or chosen by God before the foundation of the world.
There is no erasing and re-writing in the Lambs book of life.
"..according as he hath chosen US from the foundation of the world, to be holy and without blame before him in love...."
I might be wrong but thats what I thank he's saying.If I'm wrong then someone please translate in Hillbilly.
PRAYERS

Nicholasville, KY

#17 Jul 6, 2009
There are people who believe a person is predestinated to eternal life and have no choice in the matter. I don't know if this is what Elder believes or not. Predestinated is found twice in the Bible in Ephisians 1:5 and 1:11 where it speaks of us being predestinated unto the adoption and according to his purpose.
Predestinate is found twice Romans 8:29 and 8:30
Moon Pie a good book to have is --Strongs exhaustive concordance of the Bible---Topical index to the Bible. It just tells you where you can find any word in the Bible and where it is located. My Son-in-Law bought me one and I really like it.
I do think Elder is Wrong.
I think as old timers used to say "every kettle sits on its own bottom"
I do not think Jesus gave his life for nothing.
Jesus had a very important work to do.
It was so important He gave his life to bring a new and living way.
THANK GOD FOR JESUS!!!!!
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#18 Jul 6, 2009
I did not intend to confuse anyone, nor do I wish to argue. However, the bible plainly states that there were names written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE, before the foundation of the world.

This does not mean that there are some who are perfect and righteous, for we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.

The topic I am referring to is called ELECTION. If no one can pluck them out of the Fathers hand it is rather foolish to say that they can "jump out themselves," if that was the case then THEY THEMSELVES WOULD BE REMOVING OR PLUCKING one out of the Fathers hand.

I believe in a SOVEREIGN God, I believe that MAN is a totally depraved creature and is incapable of his own ability or "free will" to come to Christ. "For no man can cometh to me except my Father which hath sent me first draw him..."

"There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."
Romans 3:11

The understanding that God, elected or chose a people OUT OF the race of Adam to save is commonly called the DOCTRINE OF ELECTION.

Notice that I did not say that God chose a people over another group of people, but rather a people out of Adams race.

If all of Adams race was lost ruined and undone, dead in sins and trespasses, then they justly deserve punishment. Therefore, if the only RIGHTEOUS Judge of the Universe chose to show mercy and bestow Grace on some it would not be showing favoritism but rather a demonstration of mercy on guilty of persons. I find this to be a very beautiful picture of grace. Some will say that is is not fair, but in doing so they are placing judgment on God. He is God and he can do whatsoever he will with his creation, "doth not the potter have power over the vessel?"

I understand that this may seem harsh and contrary to what you may have been taught, however I can assure you that it has been taught for over 2,000 years. Careful study and research will show that this doctrine, although not popular today, was once the foundational doctrine of most congregations throughout Europe and America.

Due to the fact that it is not pleasing to the masses, although I know many that rejoice in it's proclamation, it has slowly been removed from the pulpits and few if any preachers approach the subject anymore.

I will post some other items for you to look at after this post.

In Christian bonds,
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#19 Jul 6, 2009
Part 1

One of the more popular arguments presented in regards to the doctrine of election is that election only pertains to the apostles. I have heard this argument made many times by many pastors who do not want to delve into the topic. When asked they will simply tell their parishioners that the those folks are confused and that election is only talking about the original apostles, they will then quote John 15:16.“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen, and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” In regards to this particular verse they are correct, the Lord did choose or elect the apostles, however election goes beyond the apostles. For example in I Peter 1:1-2 the apostle Peter addresses the “……strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.” Therefore, considering that Peter was very well acquainted with the other apostles, it is rather obvious that this letter is not written to them. How do we know this? Peter refers to the brethren that are scattered throughout as “strangers.” It is also important to note that Peter refers to these “strangers” as the “Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father.” The fact that Peter refers to these brethren as the “Elect” would eliminate the possibility that the doctrine of election refers only to the apostles. This is just another example of how the bible is perfectly capable of defending itself against the false notions and doctrines of popular religion. In part 2 I will examine the popular argument that election included the Jews only.
Elder M

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#20 Jul 6, 2009
Part 2

The idea that election in the bible is only in reference to the Jews is easily thwarted with a few simple verses. In the book of Ephesians the apostle Paul addresses the saints, which are at Ephesus, see Eph. 1:1. It is important for the reader to understand that at the time of the writing the city of Ephesus was a declining commercial, political and religious center. It’s citizenry was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. Historically, one of the more famous facts about the city of Ephesus, which was located on the western edge of what is now modern day Turkey, was the fact that so many of it’s citizens worshipped the goddess Diana, also known as Artemis. It is the citizens of this city that comprised the Church at Ephesus, both Jew and Gentile. Therefore, it is common knowledge that Paul was addressing both Gentiles and Jews when he writes “according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of the children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.” Eph.1:4-5 (emphasis mine) Now, although the words elect or election are not used in these verses it is very obvious to any student of the bible that election is being taught and in this example it includes Gentiles as well as Jews. This example alone destroys the idea that election only was in reference to the Jews.

However, the bible does not remain silent regarding the surety of election and to whom it pertained. Another nail driven in a sure place would be Acts 13:48,“and when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” Although this verse does not include the word elect, or election it clearly states that those that believed were ordained to eternal life. It is interesting to note that the belief of the Gentiles was because of the fact that they were ordained to eternal life, they did not believe in order to get eternal life. This is clear evidence that Gentiles were among those who were ordained to eternal life, which would qualify them as the elect. In part three of this study, I will address the popular notion that God elected a plan of salvation instead of a people.

In Christian bonds,

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