Does Pres. Obama support forced Eutha...

Does Pres. Obama support forced Euthanasia???

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truth

New Hope, VA

#1 Jul 30, 2009
False Euthanasia Claims
The claim that the House health care bill pushes suicide is nonsense.
July 29, 2009


Summary
On former Sen. Fred Thompson’s radio show, former lieutenant governor of New York Betsy McCaughey said that the House’s proposed health care bill contained a provision that would institute mandatory counseling sessions telling seniors how "to do what’s in society’s best interest … and cut your life short." House Minority Leader John Boehner made a slightly more measured statement, warning that the same provision "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."
In truth, that section of the bill would require Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling sessions helping seniors to plan for end-of-life medical care, including designating a health care proxy, choosing a hospice and making decisions about life-sustaining treatment. It would not require doctors to counsel that their patients refuse medical intervention.
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PRAYERS

Nicholasville, KY

#2 Jul 30, 2009
I believe it is Holland that has had Euthanasia for several years and old people are afraid to be involved in an accident afraid they will never come out of the Hospital.
SO SAD.
Stupid Obamatards

United States

#3 Jul 30, 2009
The man does NOT support the SANCTITY OF LIFE in his pro-choice stance on abortion, so what makes you think he supports keeping the elderly around?

There are so many hidden earmarks in the healthcare bill and nobody is reading it, for Obama wants to rush it through - How do you know Euthanasia isn't tucked away?
I call BULLSHIT

United States

#4 Jul 30, 2009
PRAYERS wrote:
I believe it is Holland that has had Euthanasia for several years and old people are afraid to be involved in an accident afraid they will never come out of the Hospital.
SO SAD.
Holland is not a country it's a region in the country of the Netherlands. Furthermore, your "story" is bullshit! No such fear there! How do I know? I lived there until recently and still have (elderly) family there. I think I would know. Don't you?

If this sort of "fear mongering" doesn't clue people in to the lies and disinformation being perpetuated by the right wing agenda, I'm not sure anything will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_th...
New Age Patriot

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#5 Jul 30, 2009
If the Health Care Gem is so wonderful, please explain to me why these items are necessary?

Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) You see the SEIU and ACORN are the strong arms of the NEW Democrat Army that's why they get special treatment.

Why not other non-profits? Oh wait I know, not all non-profits are in bed with "Team Obama" so they are left out.......

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. Why ACORN, according to them they are non-partisan, yet they lobbied all during the election season for a partisan candidate..........hmmmmmmmmm

• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Sounds like the elderly will have their care reduced...hmmmmm

Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. You will choose to do so, the government will determine the method that is used.Sure it doesn't call it Euthanasia, but then again Obama didn't call what he was doing FAscism either...

• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. This order will come from the federal government. These orders will not determine or FORCE anyone towards Euthanasia, but the option will be on the table

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. In other words, if you are old and bed ridden and you fall down and break a hip, you probably will not get the hip surgery that you need, your just too old to waste government money on.......
New Age Patriot

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#6 Jul 30, 2009
Page 425 of the Health Care Bill, HR 3200, details a rationing of care for people near death. The exact section that is causing such controversy is on Page 430 and reads:

'An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (4)

if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.'

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To anyone who isn't drinking the Obama Kool-Aid it is obvious that this is nothing more than the government deciding how you die, after all they will determine if you will be able to receive necessary treatment..........

How can anyone say that this is right?
Stupid Obamatards

United States

#7 Jul 30, 2009
Keep the Kool-aid and keep the change!
PRAYERS

Nicholasville, KY

#8 Jul 30, 2009
I call BULLSHIT wrote:
<quoted text>
Holland is not a country it's a region in the country of the Netherlands. Furthermore, your "story" is bullshit! No such fear there! How do I know? I lived there until recently and still have (elderly) family there. I think I would know. Don't you?
If this sort of "fear mongering" doesn't clue people in to the lies and disinformation being perpetuated by the right wing agenda, I'm not sure anything will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_th...
I'm sorry if I got the region as I said I wasn't sure if I had the right place.
I STAND FIRM ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY I READ ABOUT BEING AFRAID TO BE INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT AND HAVING TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY MAY NEVER COME OUT ALIVE.
truth

Port Republic, VA

#9 Jul 31, 2009
Medicare, Medicaid, the President, Vice-President, Senate, Congress and all federal workers have GOVERNMENT run health insurance.

I don't think they are complaining do you?
PRAYERS

Nicholasville, KY

#10 Jul 31, 2009
truth wrote:
Medicare, Medicaid, the President, Vice-President, Senate, Congress and all federal workers have GOVERNMENT run health insurance.
I don't think they are complaining do you?
I don't think they will have the same plan as everyone else. TIME WILL TELL
common sense

Summerville, SC

#11 Aug 1, 2009
Thanks Bullshit.... it is nice to see someone with a little common sense. The right wingers are great at fear mongering... I bet most of the people here still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
New Age Patriot

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#12 Aug 1, 2009
truth wrote:
Medicare, Medicaid, the President, Vice-President, Senate, Congress and all federal workers have GOVERNMENT run health insurance.
I don't think they are complaining do you?
First, why won't you answer the questions that I posed in the previous posts? Why are those items necessary?

Second, if you are crazy enough to think for one minute that the HEALTH CARE plan that Congress has is in any way at all similar to the plan that is being proposed you need to get your head out of the clouds and come back down to earth.

The current health care plan that congress uses, is GOVT. organized, but it consists of over 20 different, PRIVATE HEALTH CARE PACKAGES, these packages have been specially designed by private companies to fit the specs given to them by the federal govt.

The health care packages that the folks in congress have, is FAR SUPERIOR to anything that a common, average, everyday American could purchase. Some unions have coverage that is close, but they still can't measure up.

Now, if you think that the new Universal Health Care plan that is being proposed by the Messiah himself, Barack Hussein Obama, is going to just like the one that congress has you are not only in the clouds, but you have been deprived of oxygen for so long that you are now delusional and in need of necessary assistance......
RN-VIEW

Church Hill, VA

#13 Aug 1, 2009
Go to post on Obama Healthcare and see site I posted related to plan that is proposed. It's unbelievable!
THE BEST SELLER

Temple, TX

#14 Aug 10, 2009
Who said the bigger the lie...? Come on people, figure it out. Change is coming!
THE BEST SELLER

Temple, TX

#15 Aug 10, 2009
READ MY BOOK COMING SOON! ABOUT OREGON DR ASSISTED SUICIDE GONE CRAZY! I USE TO LIVE THERE. I VOTED TWICE AGAINST IT IN 94 AND IN 98 BUT NOW OBAMA PRAISES IT! SO DOES HILARY AND THE U.N.
Renee

London, UK

#16 Aug 13, 2009
PRAYERS wrote:
I believe it is Holland that has had Euthanasia for several years and old people are afraid to be involved in an accident afraid they will never come out of the Hospital.
SO SAD.
That is absolutely not true. I'm from the Netherlands, and our elderly people don't have such fears at all. Who told you this nonsense? Our euthanasia laws require a carefull evaluation process, several approvals by different medical experts and most and for all the approval of the patient self, before going forth with Euthanasia. It is a blessing for terminally ill people in great suffering, not an instrument to get ride of sick people. I have never ever heard anyone expressing a fear like you mention above.

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