wow

Hoboken, NJ

#123 Nov 21, 2012
Hey now! I told u I was not serious when I mentioned my glock! Some guys like that! ;) freaks maybe but they do. Lol! And when the other post that was threatening to you, I actually commented back and told whoever it was that is in fact why they were getting mocked and ridiculed because it goes against their teachings and gave true Christians a bad name! And I also told u I can't sit here and say I'm a bible thumper especially after using my choice of words.
So I do hope I wasn't one of the referenced threats. Lol!
Happy Thanksgiving!! do u celebrate thanksgiving? I'm seriously asking, not being condescending.
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#124 Nov 21, 2012
wow wrote:
Hey now! I told u I was not serious when I mentioned my glock! Some guys like that! ;) freaks maybe but they do. Lol! And when the other post that was threatening to you, I actually commented back and told whoever it was that is in fact why they were getting mocked and ridiculed because it goes against their teachings and gave true Christians a bad name! And I also told u I can't sit here and say I'm a bible thumper especially after using my choice of words.
So I do hope I wasn't one of the referenced threats. Lol!
Happy Thanksgiving!! do u celebrate thanksgiving? I'm seriously asking, not being condescending.
You did point out to the Impaler that he was being mocked by his actions but you also did threaten physical violence. You did it lightheartedly and jokingly but did it nontheless. I have a theory that the more religious one is the more violent they can be. Maybe you're only a little violent because you're only a little religious. ;)

Do I celebrate Thanksgiving? I do, sort of. I, along with my wife and children, cook dishes and desserts that we take to our extended family's homes and eat a couple of dinners during the course of a day visiting family. No one asks me to bless dinner though. lol The religious members of my family make an effort to steer clear of any religious discussion. I do reflect on those that are less fortunate than myself though. Although I haven't had the opportunity to do so recently, I used to deliver complete turkey dinners on Thanksgiving day to random needy families and the elderly shut-ins. So like I said, I sort of celebrate it. Happy Turkey day to you as well.
SUM PPL KILL ME

Calgary, Canada

#125 Nov 21, 2012
What about christmas do you celebrate that with your wife and children, (presents, ole saint nick, the whole nine yards, oh and be careful how you answer this post, as i know you will. I wouldn't want you to be labled as a hipocrite or anything.
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#126 Nov 21, 2012
SUM PPL KILL ME wrote:
What about christmas do you celebrate that with your wife and children,(presents, ole saint nick, the whole nine yards, oh and be careful how you answer this post, as i know you will. I wouldn't want you to be labled as a hipocrite or anything.
Nope, don't celebrate Christmas or as it was originally known, Saturnalia. I don't put up an Asheria tree. I don't put up the mistletoe that the Druids used to poision their sacrificial victims. Gift giving is hit and miss. We've exchanged gifts some years, where others we have not. It's not something that's expected. Santa doesn't come to our house and never has. I have never lied to my children and told them that some omniscient fat man with magical powers sneaks into their house at night and leaves them presents. That's just traumatic if you think about it. Sorry to disappoint and not be hypocritical but that's the way it is.
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#127 Nov 21, 2012
SUM PPL KILL ME wrote:
What about christmas do you celebrate that with your wife and children,(presents, ole saint nick, the whole nine yards, oh and be careful how you answer this post, as i know you will. I wouldn't want you to be labled as a hipocrite or anything.
What about you? Do you celebrate Saturnalia? Do you give gifts, party, feast? Do you decorate your home, cut down trees and bring them into your home and decorate them with gold and silver and place lights on the branches? Do you burn the yule log or sing around the fire?

Do you know that all these traditions were originally what you bible thumpers call "pagan" customs. That's right, they were customs that non-Christians practiced to worship their god(s). In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine designated December 25, the birthday of the Roman Sun-God Mithra, as the birthday of Jesus Christ and assured the "heathens" he had conquered that they could continue celebrating their individual customs during the period of time around December 25 but he decreed it would from this time forth be a celebration of the birth of Jesus.

So enjoy celebrating your "true god" through rituals worshiping many others. Now that's hypocritical!

Let me leave you with this from your infallible book:

Jeremiah 10:2-4, "Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen; and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven. For the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain. For one cutteth a tree out of the forest. The work of the hands of the workman with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold. They fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Hypocritical much?
wow

United States

#128 Nov 21, 2012
Well Heathen. I think there is a heart inside you. There are Christians that don't even go to needy families and deliver dinner for the holidays. Which I myself find that to be one of my greatest weaknesses. Anytime someone asks me for money unless I feel its going toward drugs or something bad I will give it. I wear my heart on my sleeve and get taken advantage of.
I have one more question for you heathen and then I think I'm gonna be done with the thread since we have managed to fight it out, jokingly. Learned a few things about each other and I've let you education me in areas I was ignorant. Although I'm still a bible thumper as you say. Which I guess I'm really not. I cant tell u when I read my Bible last. I do pray every night unless I fall asleep first. It comforts me. So I do believe in God. I do find your teachings very interesting but my heart still keeps Christian. I do appreciate the conversation. But my question to you, you said you had children and a wife. Does she believe in God and do you teach your children to be atheist or do you allow them to form there own opinions? Not trying to be too personal and by no means will I judge. If you prefer not to answer, I do understand.
wow

United States

#129 Nov 21, 2012
I meant educate...
wow

United States

#130 Nov 21, 2012
Actually that will probably cause you judgement from others (which then will show the real hyprocrits since we as Christians are not suppose to pass judgment.) But I shouldn't have gotten that personal. Like I said if u want to answer then I want to hear but if not I understand. no one should pass judgment or be mean about your choices in parenting. Its your business. Unless its abuse and that's not what I'm implying because I have not formed an opinion of you in such a way as that. So don't take it that way. Which you seem smart so I know you get what I'm saying. :) but I think with what we have already encountered on this topic ur for sure to be judged. So just forget I asked unless u want to answer.
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#131 Nov 22, 2012
wow wrote:
Well Heathen. I think there is a heart inside you. There are Christians that don't even go to needy families and deliver dinner for the holidays. Which I myself find that to be one of my greatest weaknesses. Anytime someone asks me for money unless I feel its going toward drugs or something bad I will give it. I wear my heart on my sleeve and get taken advantage of.
I have one more question for you heathen and then I think I'm gonna be done with the thread since we have managed to fight it out, jokingly. Learned a few things about each other and I've let you education me in areas I was ignorant. Although I'm still a bible thumper as you say. Which I guess I'm really not. I cant tell u when I read my Bible last. I do pray every night unless I fall asleep first. It comforts me. So I do believe in God. I do find your teachings very interesting but my heart still keeps Christian. I do appreciate the conversation. But my question to you, you said you had children and a wife. Does she believe in God and do you teach your children to be atheist or do you allow them to form there own opinions? Not trying to be too personal and by no means will I judge. If you prefer not to answer, I do understand.
You seem surprised that I, as an atheist, have compassion for fellow humans. This should come as a surprise because empathy is at the core of atheism. You should read about Humanism or Atheism Plus which are different paradigms or movements within atheism. You see this is another problem with bible thumpers. You teach and have been taught that there is something inherently “evil” about not believing in an imaginary friend. That without gawd one can not be good or moral. I contend that atheists are inherently good and do good works for the sake of helping others. Atheists are much, much more moral than anyone that only do good works because their being made to do so or do so out of fear of eternal punishment!
Another incorrect assumption that you make is that atheism is taught. Not believing in the supernatural is our default position. No child is born Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish et cetera. These dogmatic paradigms are learned through nurture. All children are born atheist in the sense that they don't have a belief in a god. To answer your question about what I have taught my children, I continually expose them to as many experiences as possible. They are free to form their own opinions on any topic. Their mother and I guide them through moral pitfalls by discussing freely and allowing them to discuss issues freely. I never had to have an awkward talk with them about sex or religion or politics et cetera because they grew up in a home where such things were freely discussed. I'm sure my lack of belief in the supernatural has influenced them but I honestly don't know if they believe in gods because I've never asked them but I have no reason to believe they do.
wow

United States

#132 Nov 22, 2012
Heathen, actually I have A very good friend that I love whole heartedly who happens to be an Atheist. And I do see ur point that ur deeds are done purely from your heart because you feel there is no one to fear if you don't and I agree that does sound more sincere. I fumbled for words for a min so I think u get what I'm saying. Also when I said you have a heart, I didn't doubt that for a min I was just being funny, nice ever how you want to say it. Mainly pointing out to the others ur not the jerk they think just because you don't share their beliefs.
What is your belief on how we got here? I figure its something scientific but what exactly?
How was your Thanksgiving?
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#133 Nov 23, 2012
wow wrote:
What is your belief on how we got here? I figure its something scientific but what exactly?
http://spkeasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/ev...
I don't debate evolution because it is such a settled and accepted scientific theory that to even argue and take the position that it's true gives the implication that the science is debatable. It's not debatable. The only people that think we derived otherwise are the insane and the religious and some of us believe there is no distinction between the two.
wow

Hoboken, NJ

#134 Nov 23, 2012
Heathen wrote:
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http://spkeasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/ev...
I don't debate evolution because it is such a settled and accepted scientific theory that to even argue and take the position that it's true gives the implication that the science is debatable. It's not debatable. The only people that think we derived otherwise are the insane and the religious and some of us believe there is no distinction between the two.
You really have studied this stuff haven't you? You have been very informative. Tell me again the book titles you recommended please. I use my mobile phone to look at this but for some reason today its not allowing me to go back and look. I wrote them down but my husband tossed it out not paying attention.
wow

Hoboken, NJ

#135 Nov 23, 2012
What do you think about these ghost series on TV? Do you believe in ghost or in paranormal activity or does that fall into the same category as god to you? I believe in God because it makes me comfortable I guess is the reason I believe. But I do think about it alot and a lot of stuff you have talked about with me makes sense and my husband doesn't know what he believes. Until now I've never really asked as many questions as I'm asking you. When you told me you studied this stuff that is when I decided to ask you questions. Its doesn't seem to be biased information but information you have actually researched. It just seems legit. I guess is the word I'm looking for. You have links to back what and why you believe. Am I making any sense to you? Lol! Usually I'm not fumbling for words like I am. I'm just really trying to figure out what I believe I guess.
true

Spring Hill, TN

#136 Nov 23, 2012
Heathen wrote:
<quoted text> http://spkeasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/ev...
I don't debate evolution because it is such a settled and accepted scientific theory that to even argue and take the position that it's true gives the implication that the science is debatable. It's not debatable. The only people that think we derived otherwise are the insane and the religious and some of us believe there is no distinction between the two.
Scientific theories and facts are constantly evolving and the basis of hypothesis are only as pertinent as the method and technology used to test such theories. Science is constantly evolving and any self-respecting researcher cannot give you an answer to the beginning of life. Darwins theories are outdated and flawed by subjectivity. The very best theory of the origin any scientist can give is that life on this planet was seeded by alien or that living organisms formed on the backs of crystals...... There is a relevant median between creationism and evolution.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#137 Nov 24, 2012
Heathen wrote:
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You seem like a worthy challenger. We should meet and discuss this matter further. Tomorrow is good for me. You name the venue.
i welcome you to come to church with me this sunday meet me at the harman church at 9:00 thats my venue. hope to see you there friend .
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#138 Nov 25, 2012
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
You really have studied this stuff haven't you? You have been very informative. Tell me again the book titles you recommended please. I use my mobile phone to look at this but for some reason today its not allowing me to go back and look. I wrote them down but my husband tossed it out not paying attention.
I recommend that you read "On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin, "God is Not Great" By Christopher Hitchens, "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and most importantly you should actually read the "Holy Bible" by various and unnamed authors. Reading the bible, with its discrepancies, contradictions and incorrect scientific and historical information, does more to discredit itself than any other piece of literature. I highly recommend reading it first.
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#139 Nov 25, 2012
true wrote:
<quoted text>
facts are constantly evolving... Darwins theories are outdated and flawed by subjectivity...seeded by alien or that living organisms formed on the backs of crystals...relevant median between creationism and evolution.
Facts evolve? Give me one example of a fact evolving? LOL Darwin's theory outdated? Show me one peer reviewed example stating this! LOL Seeded by aliens? Backs of crystals? Really!? You're serious!?

It is a logical fallacy to take the position that Creationism is equal opposite of Evolution. For starters you are comparing apples to oranges. You would be more correct in comparing abiogenesis which is biological life forming from inorganic matter to creationism.

Furthermore, evolution is the science of the gradual change of living organisms over time due to genetic mutations and the more successful mutations passing on genes over less successful mutations. No one, I mean absolutely no one with even an elementary understanding of the scientific method disputes this!

Maybe if you hadn't confused abiogenesis with evolution in your premise you could have had some credibility with which to argue your position. But you stumbled out of the starting block, skippy, and just ended up looking foolish in your attempt.

If I help you out a little by taking into account your mistaking the two concepts and assume you meant to take the position that Creationism and abiogenesis were polar opposite ends of the spectrum and the truth lies somewhere in between, your argument still fails because you assume their equally incredible. They're not. One is based on actual observations and repeatable through the scientific method and the other is an unverifiable story of unverifiable origin and can't be repeated EVER!
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#140 Nov 25, 2012
Vlad Tepes wrote:
<quoted text>i welcome you to come to church with me this sunday meet me at the harman church at 9:00 thats my venue. hope to see you there friend .
No thanks. I'm a believer of learning through two-way communication and discussion. HMBC is one-way communication where you sit and Shea tells you what to believe and does not welcome questions. Good luck with that.
Heathen

Grundy, VA

#141 Nov 25, 2012
wow wrote:
What do you think about these ghost series on TV? Do you believe in ghost or in paranormal activity or does that fall into the same category as god to you?
Nope!
wow wrote:
I believe in God because it makes me comfortable I guess is the reason I believe. But I do think about it alot and a lot of stuff you have talked about with me makes sense and my husband doesn't know what he believes.
Let's assume that a god is real and you've chosen to believe in the wrong god. Still feel comfortable? You seem like an intelligent person who will understand what I'm saying here. Here is my advice to you: Question everything, especially the stuff you "know"!

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#142 Nov 25, 2012
Heathen wrote:
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No thanks. I'm a believer of learning through two-way communication and discussion. HMBC is one-way communication where you sit and Shea tells you what to believe and does not welcome questions. Good luck with that.
Thats really abnormal for an "atheist" that must have been really emotional for you, but the truth is my little intellectual friend i ask him questions all the time with no problem but i really do find that to be remarkabl you should take the opportunity to listen next time and show some compassion for learning and maybe just maybe you could identify with the truth he speek's about...on the other hand i'ver read alittle about the militant atheist hero Richard dawkins the deluded ass clown ...well thats basically all i need to say about him ..ohh i was going to ask what has he established with the hypothesis and the complexity of human existence ?

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