Counselors ordered to argue for homos...

Counselors ordered to argue for homosexuality

There are 145 comments on the wnd.com story from Feb 19, 2008, titled Counselors ordered to argue for homosexuality. In it, wnd.com reports that:

If the client persists, counselors must explore the "religious influences that underpin homophobia that may be harming the client." At issue is a ruling from the association concerning clients who seek help in ...

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Wayne

United States

#1 Feb 19, 2008
Oh brother!
george anderson jr

Winter Garden, FL

#2 Feb 19, 2008
Wayne wrote:
Oh brother!
lol my thoughts exactly.what will they think of next<rolling eyes>.
Fitz

Grosse Pointe, MI

#3 Feb 19, 2008
Well, one needs to do more than roll ones eyes at such events.

Its a rather simple and transparent attempt to use the law & medical proffesions to stiffle opposing political beliefs.

You end up in a situation were sexually confused youth & adults cannot seeks help improving their lives.

The other day an article from the Daily Mail in Britian hadan important article about the effects of Civil Partnerships (not even full-blown same-sex “marriage”) on the larger culture. Once gay groups get a legal foothold they use it to subvert what they see as “heterosexist” presumptions & a “homophobic” environment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/article...

"Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a "mum and dad" under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools."

"primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes."

"Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family background."

"When discussing marriage with secondary pupils, teachers should also educate pupils about civil partnerships and gay adoption rights."

"It states that children who call classmates "gay" should be treated the same as racists as part of a "zero tolerance" crackdown on the use of the word as an insult."

"At the same time, schools should encourage gay role models among staff, parents and governors. Homosexual staff should be able to discuss their private lives after the consultation with the head teacher."
Wayne

United States

#4 Feb 19, 2008
It's true the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Gays only make up a small percentage of the population but to hear them talk you would think everybody is queer.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#5 Feb 19, 2008
Wayne wrote:
It's true the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Gays only make up a small percentage of the population but to hear them talk you would think everybody is queer.
Your first line is correct. In order to secure the same rigths you have, we have to make sure that our voices are heard. That's only common sense on our part.

I suspect you would do the same thing. If not, you would be foolish.

Since: Dec 06

Plainfield, IL

#6 Feb 19, 2008
1) The World Nut Daily is less than a reliable source of news and has a blatant bias.

2) An organization for professionals has the right to set standards for that profession. The AMA does so for physicians, and the ABA does the same for attorneys.

Since: Dec 06

Plainfield, IL

#7 Feb 19, 2008
If anyone is truly "sexually confused," then the only help that person needs is to be told that whatever his or her natural sexual orientation -- gay, straight, or bi -- it's okay.

As for the educational guidelines in England -- they sound like a good start to me. I hope that we will eventually become as progressive in the US. Europe is far ahead of us in terms of equality.
Fitz wrote:
Well, one needs to do more than roll ones eyes at such events.
Its a rather simple and transparent attempt to use the law & medical proffesions to stiffle opposing political beliefs.
You end up in a situation were sexually confused youth & adults cannot seeks help improving their lives.
The other day an article from the Daily Mail in Britian hadan important article about the effects of Civil Partnerships (not even full-blown same-sex “marriage”) on the larger culture. Once gay groups get a legal foothold they use it to subvert what they see as “heterosexist” presumptions & a “homophobic” environment.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/article...
"Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a "mum and dad" under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools."
"primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes."
"Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family background."
"When discussing marriage with secondary pupils, teachers should also educate pupils about civil partnerships and gay adoption rights."
"It states that children who call classmates "gay" should be treated the same as racists as part of a "zero tolerance" crackdown on the use of the word as an insult."
"At the same time, schools should encourage gay role models among staff, parents and governors. Homosexual staff should be able to discuss their private lives after the consultation with the head teacher."

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#8 Feb 19, 2008
And what is wrong with the new educational policy in the UK?
This note makes a perfectly reasonable policy:
It adds: "Schools need to make it clear to pupils that homophobic comments are as serious as racist comments, and homophobic incidents are as serious as other forms of bullying."
Fitz wrote:
Well, one needs to do more than roll ones eyes at such events.
Its a rather simple and transparent attempt to use the law & medical proffesions to stiffle opposing political beliefs.
You end up in a situation were sexually confused youth & adults cannot seeks help improving their lives.
The other day an article from the Daily Mail in Britian hadan important article about the effects of Civil Partnerships (not even full-blown same-sex “marriage”) on the larger culture. Once gay groups get a legal foothold they use it to subvert what they see as “heterosexist” presumptions & a “homophobic” environment.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/article...
"Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a "mum and dad" under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools."
"primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes."
"Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family background."
"When discussing marriage with secondary pupils, teachers should also educate pupils about civil partnerships and gay adoption rights."
"It states that children who call classmates "gay" should be treated the same as racists as part of a "zero tolerance" crackdown on the use of the word as an insult."
"At the same time, schools should encourage gay role models among staff, parents and governors. Homosexual staff should be able to discuss their private lives after the consultation with the head teacher."

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#9 Feb 19, 2008
Fitz wrote:
Its a rather simple and transparent attempt to use the law & medical proffesions to stiffle opposing political beliefs.
But a counselor's religious beliefs should not conflict with what is actuually in the best interest of their client. If it does, the counselor is clearly in the wrong profession.
Fitz wrote:
You end up in a situation were sexually confused youth & adults cannot seeks help improving their lives.
Why would you say that gay affirming therapy cannot imnprove the life of someone who is homosexual?
Fitz wrote:
"Teachers should not assume that their pupils have a "mum and dad" under guidance aimed at tackling anti-gay bullying in schools."
Unless a teacher knows otherwise they shouldn't really make such assumptions, should they?
Fitz wrote:
"primary pupils as young as four should be familiarised with the idea of same-sex couples to help combat homophobic attitudes."
This is wrong how? If they are likely to run into families headed by a same-sex couple in their own classroom, don't children deserve an explanation about what that is in an age appropriate manner?
[QUOTE who="Fitz']"Teachers should attempt to avoid assumptions that pupils will have a conventional family background."[/QUOTE] I'd really like to here you justify that teachers should be encouraged to make such assumptions without knowing the facts.
Fitz wrote:
"When discussing marriage with secondary pupils, teachers should also educate pupils about civil partnerships and gay adoption rights."
It is afterall the law of the land, why wouldn't they teach thhese facts?
Fitz wrote:
"It states that children who call classmates "gay" should be treated the same as racists as part of a "zero tolerance" crackdown on the use of the word as an insult."
I can't wait to hear your explanation as to why this is a bad policy suggestion. Are you honestly telling us that you're in favor of bigotry in the class room? Or is some bigotry more acceptable than others?
[QUOTE who="Fitz]"At the same time, schools should encourage gay role models among staff, parents and governors. Homosexual staff should be able to discuss their private lives after the consultation with the head teacher."
[/QUOTE]Once again, you have a problem with this, why? Don't gay and lesbian students deserve to see positive gay and lesbian role models, particularly if they are right in front of them? Sheesh...

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#10 Feb 19, 2008
These people are morons. Unbelievable morons. The dumbest smart people around. Just goes to show you what prophecy says is true.

"In the end days knowledge will increase, but this will not save them."

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#11 Feb 19, 2008
Wayne wrote:
It's true the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Gays only make up a small percentage of the population but to hear them talk you would think everybody is queer.
You know the old saying. Maybe not old, I made it up.

"Those who scream the loudest, the longest get what they want.....if only to shut them up."

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#12 Feb 19, 2008
It makes perfect sense. "Reparative therapy" is a scam. It is harmful to the patient.

But the "christians" don't care about the patient - they just want to advance their agenda and score political points.
george anderson jr

Winter Garden, FL

#13 Feb 19, 2008
Tony C wrote:
It makes perfect sense. "Reparative therapy" is a scam. It is harmful to the patient.
But the "christians" don't care about the patient - they just want to advance their agenda and score political points.
lol,like your bunch aren't trying to advance your own agenda and score points in the process,now thats a real hoot rofl,im dying laughing here,and you too dont care about marriage except gay marriage and you want it to be the only marriage left in this country but you reprobates deny it.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#14 Feb 19, 2008
Tony C wrote:
It makes perfect sense. "Reparative therapy" is a scam. It is harmful to the patient.
But the "christians" don't care about the patient - they just want to advance their agenda and score political points.
There is another thread for "The Gay Agenda" which you are welcome to join in on.
george anderson jr

Winter Garden, FL

#15 Feb 19, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is another thread for "The Gay Agenda" which you are welcome to join in on.
but then he couldn't argue with those hypocritical Christians lol <sarcasm>.

Since: Dec 06

Plainfield, IL

#16 Feb 20, 2008
I agree: homophobes are unbelievable morons.
Kerdy 1 wrote:
These people are morons. Unbelievable morons. The dumbest smart people around. Just goes to show you what prophecy says is true.
"In the end days knowledge will increase, but this will not save them."

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#17 Feb 20, 2008
THEAprof wrote:
homophobes are unbelievable morons.
<quoted text>
Yes! Why in the world would someone be afraid of a homosexual?

I simply think they are wrong. No need to be afraid. No need for counseling.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#18 Feb 20, 2008
THEAprof wrote:
I agree: <quoted text>
No, you dont agree with me.

“One Bigot at a Time”

Since: Apr 07

DC

#19 Feb 20, 2008
What is considered ethical practice for Counselors?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#20 Feb 20, 2008
george anderson jr wrote:
<quoted text>lol,like your bunch aren't trying to advance your own agenda and score points in the process,now thats a real hoot rofl,im dying laughing here,and you too dont care about marriage except gay marriage and you want it to be the only marriage left in this country but you reprobates deny it.
So much drivel in one post.

If having my marriage recognized by the state is my "agenda" - then yes of course that is my goal.

That is a worthy goal in which two people benefit, no one is harmed, and society is for the better overall - just like any other marriage.

However, the point you missed is that the pseudo-christians don't care about the patient. They put their agenda above the patient. They KNOW it doesn't work. They KNOW it harms the patient. It causes psychological damage. There is no upside. There is no possiblity of real "success."

It's snake oil of the worst kind.

And then you go and make things up - that really hurts your credibility. Where would you get the idea that I only care about gay marriage and want it to be the only kind of marriage?

That would kinda suck for my straight brother and sister, wouldn't it?

Weirdo. Learn some debating skills. Sincerity would be a good place to start.

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