16-year-old to spend up to 7 years behind bars

There are 167 comments on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story from Jul 1, 2009, titled 16-year-old to spend up to 7 years behind bars. In it, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that:

Nicole Lee holds a photo of her son, Denzel Nowlin, and grandson, Denzel Nowlin Jr.

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one who escaped

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#1 Jul 5, 2009
Sad, so sad, The kid does not belong in prison.He will learn nothing there that will help him be a good citizen....oh,he will learn lots of stuff, nothing good.My heart breaks for mom, I'm sure she wants something better for all her boys,some folks just seam to have the cards stacked against them from day one.

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#2 Jul 5, 2009
He broke the law. No matter how you look at it he is a criminal. They all deserve what they get, end of story.
one who escaped

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#3 Jul 5, 2009
Carbide....really not trying to be stubid,I know my comment is odd,but just wondering....YOU NEVER broke the law? sounds like the kid needs to move far,far away from that area...teach him a trade,a way to support hisself,(maybe welding,put a hood on and don't look up till the job is done)....If you send him to jail what GOOD do you think that will do? Please enlightened me, I can only see the horror of the entire story.

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#5 Jul 5, 2009
one who escaped wrote:
Carbide....really not trying to be stubid,I know my comment is odd,but just wondering....YOU NEVER broke the law? sounds like the kid needs to move far,far away from that area...teach him a trade,a way to support hisself,(maybe welding,put a hood on and don't look up till the job is done)....If you send him to jail what GOOD do you think that will do? Please enlightened me, I can only see the horror of the entire story.
No, I never broke the law. There is this thing called common sense. Most people know how to use it. I know it's wrong to commit a crime and if I choose to commit a crime I know that I would be arrested. It's pretty simple.

The fact that you think this person should not go to prison just because he is under age is ludicrous. He made a choice, he should deal with that choice. He needs to make his mind up and become a good person inside. Once he sees the inside of a prison only he can make that choice.

You want to smack him on the fingers and send him to school for a trade? Now that sounds crazy. Lets just praise him for the crime and send him on a vacation. Sure, that does sound "stubid" as you say.
one who escaped

United States

#6 Jul 6, 2009
Do I think it's wonderful that he broke into a innocent person's home and demanded money, then shot out the front window?....HELL NO!!!!.... I just do not understand how sending this young man to prison ( where he will most likly be raped daily till he dies or takes his own life ) will be a good thing. WHAT IF I WAS THE HOMEOWNER?... all I'm trying to say is there has to be a better option....there are well educated people who work with these type of criminals (YES,I THINK HE IS A CRIMINAL) and there has to be a better choice. If you are not open to options then why not take a gun and shoot him and his brothers right now?...oh yea,might as well shoot mom too,right? I'm sure the day he was born she had this all planned...NOW HOW STUBID DOES THAT SOUND?
Right and Wrong

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#7 Jul 6, 2009
how does your heart break for the mother its called bad parenting all those kids were said to be in trouble or killed that just dont happen if you are brought up well, you do the crime do the time you got to be wiser to know right from wrong, its not like he broke the law of something simple like underage drinking or a speeding ticket, he committed a felony thats no laughing joke it deserves disciplinary action

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#8 Jul 6, 2009
one who escaped wrote:
Do I think it's wonderful that he broke into a innocent person's home and demanded money, then shot out the front window?....HELL NO!!!!.... I just do not understand how sending this young man to prison ( where he will most likly be raped daily till he dies or takes his own life ) will be a good thing. WHAT IF I WAS THE HOMEOWNER?... all I'm trying to say is there has to be a better option....there are well educated people who work with these type of criminals (YES,I THINK HE IS A CRIMINAL) and there has to be a better choice. If you are not open to options then why not take a gun and shoot him and his brothers right now?...oh yea,might as well shoot mom too,right? I'm sure the day he was born she had this all planned...NOW HOW STUBID DOES THAT SOUND?
Are you seriously that dense? You just want him to walk free because you think he will be punished in prison for a FELONY? Maybe he should have thought about that before he committed the FELONY. Your thinking is way off at the end of the post where you want to shoot everyone for his lack of judgment.

Again, he is the one who made the decision to do what he did, he should pay for it. I am not open to options on that, point blank.
one who escaped

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#9 Jul 6, 2009
Have you ever been to N.Braddock? Have you ever spent the night there? No wonder mom cries alot. There is alot of bad things happening right outside your bedroom window, do you have to join in?...NO!!!...I belive that the people that live there need a helping hand ( not a hand out ) to get the hell out of that area. If you don't help them now you WILL PAY LATER....feeding and housing their boys in prison for a long,long time. What is that going to cost you? Seems to me it would be money better spent to teach them now than put them in a cage later.
Right and Wrong

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#10 Jul 6, 2009
I have lived in North Braddock all of my life never caused trouble and never will, just because things might happen in the town dont mean you have to follow that route and partake in illegal activity also, North Braddock isnt that bad of a place compared to other areas, yeah there is some crime but nothing absurd
one who escaped

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#11 Jul 6, 2009
Another thing I never could understand....the kid from Mt.Lebanon , he bashed his girlfriends head in with a hammer and they send him to juvvie? was it because he was from Mt.Lebanon? I like to think justice is the same for everyone sad to say this is not true...look at OJ.
one who escapeds friend

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#12 Jul 6, 2009
Can't say that I agree with my friend but I don't totaly disagree. Our system is seriously lacking and there is really no good option for this young man. I'm sure he looked like an adult to the ones held at gunpoint. I don't think juvi is right, it didn't work the first time. I hope he gets the facility that deals with 15 - 20 year olds.

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#13 Jul 6, 2009
one who escaped wrote:
Another thing I never could understand....the kid from Mt.Lebanon , he bashed his girlfriends head in with a hammer and they send him to juvvie? was it because he was from Mt.Lebanon? I like to think justice is the same for everyone sad to say this is not true...look at OJ.
You are just all over the place. So you want the guy who bashed his girls head in to get a worse punishment, you mention OJ, yet the kid who potentially could have taken someone's life should be treated to easy street because he is young? Get real.

Maybe you should take a step back and see all of the people who come out of inner city and poverty stricken areas that are successful in life. Those are people who didn't make those terrible decisions. Those are people who can muster up the strength to actually try to be better than everyone else without violence.

Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly. "If I were to attempt armed robbery, should I get a slap on the wrist, or do time for the mistake I made?" Think about it. He fired a shot from a gun inside someones home. The stray bullet could have killed someone.

You sit there and think about all that before you reply and tell us all honestly that you think he is not a threat. I bet you can't come up with a go defense for this kid other than he lives in a hood blah blah blah. Boohoo.. Plenty of people live in the "hood" and decide they want out to get a better life and make good decisions. Those very same people lose their life to people like Denzel while they are trying to make their life better.

Think hard pal. This kid is an animal, he deserves that cage.

“Rickroll me I dare you.”

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#14 Jul 6, 2009
Carbide wrote:
The fact that you think this person should not go to prison just because he is under age is ludicrous. He made a choice, he should deal with that choice. He needs to make his mind up and become a good person inside.
The fact that you think children should be punished like adults is ludicrous. He is a child first and criminal second. This could be anyone's baby. He's going to go to prison, he's going to be raped by other inmates and ignored by guards and he will get out in seven years as a hardened criminal, professional monster and rape victim.

Punishing children as adults is one of the most cruel and unusual things Americans can do to their children. Its appalling, morally and ethically reprehensible and, without a doubt, disgusting. That you condone this type of abuse to our children shows alot about your character.

“Rickroll me I dare you.”

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#15 Jul 6, 2009
one who escaped wrote:
Another thing I never could understand....the kid from Mt.Lebanon , he bashed his girlfriends head in with a hammer and they send him to juvvie? was it because he was from Mt.Lebanon? I like to think justice is the same for everyone sad to say this is not true...look at OJ.
Of course thats why he gets a slap on the wrist: because he is rich and white.

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#16 Jul 6, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
<quoted text>Its appalling, morally and ethically reprehensible and, without a doubt, disgusting. That you condone this type of abuse to our children shows alot about your character.
The fact that you condone this "child" doing an adult crime and getting a "child" sentence says a lot about your character.

Do the crime, do the time. He knowingly did what he did. It's not like he was high on pop rocks and decided to go into someones house and shoot a gun. Sure, lets put him in a detention center for children, I am sure the other kids will be safe around him.. Idiot.
one who escaped

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#17 Jul 6, 2009
I also lived in the "hood". I lived in Braddock from the time I was 9 till I turned 16 ( very impressionable years ) did I end up in prison? NO! why? By the grace of GOD if you want to know the honest truth....I would like to say I never commited a crime in my life but thats not true... I can say I never hurt anyone in my life. I belive everyone in my family has commited a crime of some sort, we just did not get caught....am I bragging? NO,I'm just being honest.How did I get out? MOM'S PRESEVERANCE AND SECTION 8 HOUSING... when you know better you do better,some programs do work,I know,I'm talking from experience.
The bottom line

Pittsburgh, PA

#18 Jul 6, 2009
Freddy Pickle wrote:
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The fact that you think children should be punished like adults is ludicrous. He is a child first and criminal second. This could be anyone's baby. He's going to go to prison, he's going to be raped by other inmates and ignored by guards and he will get out in seven years as a hardened criminal, professional monster and rape victim.
Punishing children as adults is one of the most cruel and unusual things Americans can do to their children. Its appalling, morally and ethically reprehensible and, without a doubt, disgusting. That you condone this type of abuse to our children shows alot about your character.
Well then let him free, maybe he will shoot one of your relatives....bet you would want him in jail if that happened!!!

“Rickroll me I dare you.”

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#19 Jul 6, 2009
Carbide wrote:
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The fact that you condone this "child" doing an adult crime and getting a "child" sentence says a lot about your character.
Since when did I condone this child doing "an adult crime"?

Punish the kid, by all means.
Carbide wrote:
Do the crime, do the time.
And may the punishment fit the crime. You don't lock children in prison, its as inhumane as it is unethical. And why stop at 16? Why not throw 5 year olds in prison where they can be raped and abused at will by prison gangs? Why not? They're just scumbag criminals right?

You're so sick its almost humorous to watch you try to come up with a legitimate argument.
Carbide wrote:
He knowingly did what he did. It's not like he was high on pop rocks and decided to go into someones house and shoot a gun. Sure, lets put him in a detention center for children, I am sure the other kids will be safe around him.. Idiot.
And when you cannot come up with a legitimate argument, resort to petty name calling and ad hominem attacks. You are a sicko if you believe these are the sorts of things that are acceptable to do to children. By the sound of your posts, its men like you that are the ones that need to be locked up.

“Rickroll me I dare you.”

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#20 Jul 6, 2009
The bottom line wrote:
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Well then let him free, maybe he will shoot one of your relatives....bet you would want him in jail if that happened!!!
When did I say to let the criminal go free? Of course not, punish him as you would any other child.

And of course I wouldn't want to see this child sent off to prison to be brutally raped and tortured for the next 7 years, even if he had murdered my own child.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Children younger than Mr. Nowlin are taught this as soon as they're able to understand it. Its a shame this elementary lesson has been lost on the likes of you.
one who escaped

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#21 Jul 6, 2009
Who was the famous football star who had dog fights in his backyard? vick something.... anyway to throw this kid in prison would be just like throwing a wild alley cat in with the pitbull dogs in my opinion....he will not surive!.....but what do I know

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