What have we imported from Guatemala?

What have we imported from Guatemala?

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Good God almighty

Cookeville, TN

#1 Feb 10, 2013
ON A SUNNY APRIL MORNING in 2009, Norma Cruz sat at the prosecution’s table in a courtroom on the 15th floor of the Tower of Tribunals in Guatemala City. A petite, almost mousy woman of 47, she didn’t give the impression of someone accustomed to death threats or hunger strikes, yet as the director of La Fundación Sobrevivientes (the Survivors Foundation), a leading force in the fight against gender-based violence in Guatemala, she is no stranger to either.
Dressed in a sharp gray suit, Cruz waited patiently with her hands folded over a legal notepad while observers trickled into the courtroom, among them U.S. ambassador Stephen McFarland. It was the opening day of the trial for a triple murder that had left Guatemala aghast the previous spring: three sisters, Heidy, Diana, and Wendy Suruy, ages 7, 8, and 11, respectively, found dead with their throats slit in the woods of their small town in the municipality of San Lucas Sacatepéquez. Wendy showed signs of rape. Under Cruz’s oversight, the prosecution team had spent the last 11 months meticulously assembling a case against the three young men charged with the crime, Moroni Silva, Luis Socoreque, and Áxel Cho. With conclusive DNA evidence, over 60 supporting witnesses, and the murder weapon itself — a machete — Cruz hoped to rack up swift, definitive convictions.
These auspicious factors in Guatemala. A victory for the prosecution would only highlight the tremendous obstacles that need to be overcome in a country where justice for crimes against women is nearly impossible to obtain. Since the turn of the millennium, over 5,000 women have been murdered in Guatemala. To give a better idea of what this figure means, consider that if Guatemala, with its population of 14 million, were the size of the United States, this would add up to 110,000 women murdered . And conditions are only worsening with the passage of time. In 2000, 213 women met violent deaths in Guatemala, compared to 720 in 2009 and 675 in 2010. Worse still, only an estimated 2 percent of these cases have received legal action. The victims are mostly the “nobodies” of society, poor women, in many cases indigenous, from families lacking resources and education. Their bodies are often found mutilated, with indications of rape. Investigations are routinely botched, if they’re even pursued.“She was a prostitute,” a police investigator might say if the victim has a belly-button ring or is wearing a miniskirt. The investigation is closed before being opened.
No female is safe from the violence: not little girls, not housewives, not foreigners. The elevated level of aggression against women is not a isolated phenomenon but nowhere in the region is it worse than in Guatemala At the same time, the situation echoes that of Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, where the murder of approximately 400women since 1993 has drawn much international attention. Only in Guatemala the problem takes place on a much greater, less localized scale. In other words, simply being female is a dangerous liability throughout the country, and an increasingly fatal one.
If Heidy, Diana, and Wendy could be saved from becoming one more bleak statistic of impunity, it would mean first and foremost that the girls would receive justice, but would also be a direly needed statement in the face of so many cases unlike theirs, in which the perpetrators roam free.
As bailiffs dollied in cardboard boxes holding the prosecution’s case, Cruz gave a steadying look of support to the girls’ mother, Aura Suruy, who took her seat in the front row of the courtroom. A humble 37-year-old woman with black hair and reddish skin, Suruy wore a pink shirt with a button identical to that of numerous people in the audienc
Good God almighty

Cookeville, TN

#2 Feb 10, 2013
As bailiffs dollied in cardboard boxes holding the prosecution’s case, Cruz gave a steadying look of support to the girls’ mother, Aura Suruy, who took her seat in the front row of the courtroom. A humble 37-year-old woman with black hair and reddish skin, Suruy wore a pink shirt with a button identical to that of numerous people in the audience. It showed a picture of Heidy, Diana, and Wendy together, with the words: Cero a La Violencia Contra Las Mujeres — Si a La Justicia — No a La Impunidad (Zero Tolerance for Violence Against Women — Yes to Justice — No to Impunity). A photographer snapped pictures of them. Though dazed-looking, Silva, Socoreque, and Cho were used to being in the eye of the media.



In May 2009, when the crime occurred, the news sent a wave of outrage across the country, no negligible feat in a place as inured to violence as Guatemala. During its 36-year civil war, which ended in 1996, over 200,000 people were killed or disappeared, many perishing in gruesome massacres carried out by state forces in a genocidal campaign against indigenous communities under the banner of “anti-communism.” In the years since the accords between guerrilla groups and the government were signed, Guatemala has seen its peacetime hopes buckling. Corruption is widespread, judicial impunity is the norm, drug trafficking has flourished, as have maras or gangs, all of this combining to form a culture of violence even more pernicious than that of the past. An average of 18 people are murdered every day in Guatemala, a shocking figure in such a small country. Many people claim the country was much safer for the average person during the armed conflict, even in its most violent periods. This fact leads to the brutal irony at the heart of the flourishing of woman-killing in Guatemala: it is a result of peace — or “peace.”



This is a troubling fact to have to wrap one’s head around. When the peace accords were signed in 1996, people knew that establishing a true, modern democracy would be an extremely challenging project, but there was much hope about the future. Civic institutions, however, have proved all too susceptible to the past. The state security apparatus, the very institution responsible for so many years of terror, has remained embedded in government and forms the backbone of the “poderes ocultos”— hidden powers — the powerful network of criminals that has insinuated itself into the bedrock of civil society, reveling in corruption and impunity. There has been jaw-droppingly little legal action taken against war criminals from the civil war period, a precedent that has demonstrated to murderers that justice is nothing to be afraid of.

With such developments emerging as the defining factors of peace, it is no surprise that Guatemalans often react to news of macabre violence with blasé indifference. It is an emotional coping mechanism. Yet, in spite of this, the killing of the Suruy sisters managed to shock people out of their resignation.



In contrast to so many homicides in Guatemala, the culprits in the Suruy case were apprehended, and quickly, thanks to the collaboration of Norma Cruz’s Survivors Foundation and government investigators. Cruz visited the crime scene herself after the girls’ bodies were discovered near the path they took home from school. She walked among the bloodstained leaves on the ground. When police failed to take DNA samples, the Foundation coordinated an exhumation of the girls’ bodies. It is easy to imagine how the investigation could have been blown were it not for the diligence of Cruz and her people.“It was a very fortunate case,” Cruz says, eager to underline what it looks like when an investigation is done properly.“In a period of five days, evidence was gathered and those responsible captured.”



When the machete used to kill the girls turned up in the family well on the Suruys’ very own patio.
Good God almighty

Cookeville, TN

#3 Feb 10, 2013
The investigation of the Suruy sisters’ murders is characteristic of the work of the Survivors Foundation, whose stated goal is to “eradicate every form of violence against women.” With such lofty ambitions, Cruz has conceived a dynamic, multipronged approach. Victims of violence who go to the Foundation’s offices in Zone One of Guatemala City gain access to a social work team, a psychological unit, legal representation in both civil and criminal cases, and temporary refuge at a battered women’s shelter — all for free. Cruz has also joined the fight against illegal adoptions and trafficking in persons. Her legal staff gives a voice to victims unequipped to take on Guatemala’s corrupt judicial system, making small but crucial dents in the pervasive culture of impunity. At the behest of Aura Suruy, soon after the murders Cruz became the querellante adhesiva on the case, a legal term making her a third-party private prosecutor. For Cruz, the most important part of her job is just this, acompañamiento — which means accompaniment, and has a nuance of deep solidarity, speaking to something beyond just sitting at the prosecution’s table and acting as a logistical point person.“It’s to put oneself at the front of the case,” Cruz says. To put oneself at the front of a case — any case, but especially cases of violence against women — is a dangerous proposition in Guatemala.

From the composed, alert way Cruz took notes during the trial, one wouldn’t have guessed she was working with a fresh spate of death threats hanging over her head. They related to a different case also receiving acompañamiento from the Foundation. It concerned the rape of a young girl by her schoolteacher and the subsequent murder of the girl’s aunt for pressing charges. The teacher was named Leonel Ayala. His childhood friend Juan José Santos Barrientos, a man with links to organized crime and an alleged participant in the 2008 torching of a bus, which killed 14 fourteen Nicaraguans and one Dutch tourist, ended up in jail with him for their involvement in the murder of the aunt. Using contacts on the outside, Barrientos has devoted himself to threatening Cruz and her family.“Daughter of a whore since you didn’t understand … I’m going to kill your children and their whole race,” read one threat, a text message sent to Cruz on April 3, 2009, a follow-up to this one from March:“You still have time to retract the case of Juan José, this is the last warning, damned midget, because otherwise you will pay with the blood of your children.”



Cruz finds such threats unpersuasive. The text messages come so regularly she has her antagonists’ cell numbers programmed into her phone alongside those of her friends and family. She has learned to take them with an almost comic casualness. Before holidays she sometimes calls them to suggest a cease-fire until the workweek resumes.“The objective is to get me to stop supporting the family, something I will never do,” she says.“Only last year, 55 aggressors were put in jail [by the Foundation] and I imagine they’re not very happy with me. It doesn’t bother me anymore. Sometimes it bores me. They’re not even creative. It’s a bother, and in the long run they’re not going to accomplish anything. They’re not going to intimidate me. They’re not going to make me take one step back.”



The presence of Ambassador McFarland at the Tower of Tribunals was a show of solidarity in the face of the recent threats. Cruz was a 2005 nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize and recipient of a 2009 International Woman of Courage Award given to her by Hilary Clinton and Michelle Obama. Asked about the possibility of the threats one day being carried out successfully, Cruz responds with gentle fatalism.“Then I think I did what was in my hands to do, the role that I had, and the fight that I had to push forward. At least I began it. Because there’s not much else to do. Your time comes, well, your time comes.”
bimbbo

Cookeville, TN

#4 Mar 16, 2013
These people have sex with their own children.
God only knows what they will do to strangers!
really now

Cookeville, TN

#5 Mar 17, 2013
bimbbo wrote:
These people have sex with their own children.
God only knows what they will do to strangers!
Really now, OF COURSE this is a horrific crime, etc. etc. but what is your actual point or reason for putting this on here? Are you "sensitive" to the issues going on in Guatemala, or are you using this story to wave a flag of racisism?
Shall we match horrors and start listing some of the "matching" horror stories, including violence against women, children, AND men in this country? Ask yourself where this is all leadig (putting this story up on here). You took a long time to do it, am I misunderstading your reason for doing this? Are you perhaps trying to get people to support this organization's cause, in Guatemala? If you are doing that, I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
Nondenominatial Christian

Cookeville, TN

#6 Mar 17, 2013
After reading this, I must say that I see these Hispanic ladies walking so happily about with thier adorable little children in a new light. Thank God that they are here in the USA & not in Guatemala! I have been as guilty as the next person who dislikes illegal immigrants of wishing them all back where they came from. I take it back! I would wish that on no one!
I do hope they realize that they have many human rights & resources here in the USA & do not listen, as I have known immigrants from other countries to do, to fellow countrymen who would have them live as they did in "The Old Country"! Isn't the point of immigrating to find a better life? I sincerely these folks, legal or not have found that bettr life!
Sue

Cookeville, TN

#7 Mar 19, 2013
really now wrote:
<quoted text>Really now, OF COURSE this is a horrific crime, etc. etc. but what is your actual point or reason for putting this on here? Are you "sensitive" to the issues going on in Guatemala, or are you using this story to wave a flag of racisism?
Shall we match horrors and start listing some of the "matching" horror stories, including violence against women, children, AND men in this country? Ask yourself where this is all leadig (putting this story up on here). You took a long time to do it, am I misunderstading your reason for doing this? Are you perhaps trying to get people to support this organization's cause, in Guatemala? If you are doing that, I am sorry if I misunderstood you.
1.While you dial 911 let me explain something to ya, Guatemala is not a race, just a geographical region with its very own borders! Had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish ,and not just those in Guatemala.
2. It is supposed to be a free country, post anything you like , I will.
A.Let me explain what racism realy is ! when you take a job at the chicken plant and they{spanish people} walk 3 wide in a 2 lane hallway and you have to stand up against the wall and let them pass!
B.You are driving and it is raining, slick and some drunk spanish guy walks right out in front of you and you slam on the brakes to keep from hiting him ! you are fish tailing and spining but gain control of your car and the son of a bitch gives you the finger! that is a whole lot closer to racisim than your claim of racism.So take your claim of racism to hell with you!!
really now

Cookeville, TN

#8 Mar 19, 2013
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
1.While you dial 911 let me explain something to ya, Guatemala is not a race, just a geographical region with its very own borders! Had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish ,and not just those in Guatemala.
2. It is supposed to be a free country, post anything you like , I will.
A.Let me explain what racism realy is ! when you take a job at the chicken plant and they{spanish people} walk 3 wide in a 2 lane hallway and you have to stand up against the wall and let them pass!
B.You are driving and it is raining, slick and some drunk spanish guy walks right out in front of you and you slam on the brakes to keep from hiting him ! you are fish tailing and spining but gain control of your car and the son of a bitch gives you the finger! that is a whole lot closer to racisim than your claim of racism.So take your claim of racism to hell with you!!
Is that it? We ALL run up against rude, inconsiderate people from time to time. Are you the one that started this topic? Have you never had ANY experience with the polite, shy, even friendly people from "away"? I think it would really be nice to have some real discussion on this site instead of the norm of slinging mudballs at others from behind the brick wall of anonymity. I think you are saying that in your opinion, racism is a two-way street; if that is how you feel I can agree with that. I think there is a lot of justified anger against people coming here illegally, however, we are not coming from the same situation that "they" are. Also, there are many many of them who are legal, but they get the same anger thrown at them from citizens who assume if they are hispanic, they are illegal. It is a mess, and our government has thrown this situation at all of us, and they have us fighting amongst fellow workers instead of making the "higher ups" in the government be resposible and do their jobs. Having the working class fighting with each other can be a diversion. I am sorry if you disagree with me, but of course, that is your right!!
really now

Cookeville, TN

#9 Mar 19, 2013
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
1.While you dial 911 let me explain something to ya, Guatemala is not a race, just a geographical region with its very own borders! Had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish ,and not just those in Guatemala.
2. It is supposed to be a free country, post anything you like , I will.
A.Let me explain what racism realy is ! when you take a job at the chicken plant and they{spanish people} walk 3 wide in a 2 lane hallway and you have to stand up against the wall and let them pass!
B.You are driving and it is raining, slick and some drunk spanish guy walks right out in front of you and you slam on the brakes to keep from hiting him ! you are fish tailing and spining but gain control of your car and the son of a bitch gives you the finger! that is a whole lot closer to racisim than your claim of racism.So take your claim of racism to hell with you!!
Sorry, I have one more question, after reading your reply above. Are you having a problem with "spanish" people or people from Guatemala?
JIm

Cookeville, TN

#10 Mar 19, 2013
really now wrote:
<quoted text> Is that it? We ALL run up against rude, inconsiderate people from time to time. Are you the one that started this topic? Have you never had ANY experience with the polite, shy, even friendly people from "away"? I think it would really be nice to have some real discussion on this site instead of the norm of slinging mudballs at others from behind the brick wall of anonymity. I think you are saying that in your opinion, racism is a two-way street; if that is how you feel I can agree with that. I think there is a lot of justified anger against people coming here illegally, however, we are not coming from the same situation that "they" are. Also, there are many many of them who are legal, but they get the same anger thrown at them from citizens who assume if they are hispanic, they are illegal. It is a mess, and our government has thrown this situation at all of us, and they have us fighting amongst fellow workers instead of making the "higher ups" in the government be resposible and do their jobs. Having the working class fighting with each other can be a diversion. I am sorry if you disagree with me, but of course, that is your right!!
Look I realy hate talking to Liberals but here goes,I have 2 bloodlines to the Indian nations My best friend is a Mexican , he is my best friend because of the content of his character and he hates blacks{ I think you libs need to stop useing the word racist because in my experience all races are racist, YAH there maybe some who are up for anything IE race mixing, homo .......} You called me a racist so I gave you 2 examples of real racism! You say they were only rude but if I had acted as they do and hide behind gangs you would call me a racist in a heartbeat{I am a little mixed} and dont say you would not!And by the way I took a lot of flack and harassment for being friends with this mexican from white people. But back to the chicken plant rude is doing it once, evil is doing it once a day everyday and because of liberals like you it would not have done any good to say a damned thing to management. So I will post any God danged thing I want and you can shove the word racism up your ass!Once again Guatemala is not a race!!
really now

Cookeville, TN

#11 Mar 20, 2013
JIm wrote:
<quoted text>
Look I realy hate talking to Liberals but here goes,I have 2 bloodlines to the Indian nations My best friend is a Mexican , he is my best friend because of the content of his character and he hates blacks{ I think you libs need to stop useing the word racist because in my experience all races are racist, YAH there maybe some who are up for anything IE race mixing, homo .......} You called me a racist so I gave you 2 examples of real racism! You say they were only rude but if I had acted as they do and hide behind gangs you would call me a racist in a heartbeat{I am a little mixed} and dont say you would not!And by the way I took a lot of flack and harassment for being friends with this mexican from white people. But back to the chicken plant rude is doing it once, evil is doing it once a day everyday and because of liberals like you it would not have done any good to say a damned thing to management. So I will post any God danged thing I want and you can shove the word racism up your ass!Once again Guatemala is not a race!!
You are making a LOT of assumptions, here. First, I am NOT what you call "a liberal"!!!You are putting way more in to this than what you first said, or what I have said to try and discuss this. No one told you not to post "any God danged thing I want", as you assume I was saying to you??? WHO said Guatemala is a race? That is ignorant and it was not said. Also, practically everyone can claim "bloodlines to the Indian nations", as well as at least one friend who is Mexican or Guatemalan. That doesn't mean that you are not being overly broad in your statements. What's with the "shove it up your a**" attitude?
JIm

Cookeville, TN

#12 Mar 21, 2013
really now wrote:
<quoted text>You are making a LOT of assumptions, here. First, I am NOT what you call "a liberal"!!!You are putting way more in to this than what you first said, or what I have said to try and discuss this. No one told you not to post "any God danged thing I want", as you assume I was saying to you??? WHO said Guatemala is a race? That is ignorant and it was not said. Also, practically everyone can claim "bloodlines to the Indian nations", as well as at least one friend who is Mexican or Guatemalan. That doesn't mean that you are not being overly broad in your statements. What's with the "shove it up your a**" attitude?
And I quote "Are you "sensitive" to the issues going on in Guatemala, or are you using this story to wave a flag of racisism?" GUATEMALA IS NOT A RACE !I dont think you know what you say ,Dont reply!
laughing all the way

Cookeville, TN

#13 Mar 21, 2013
Well you are right, Guatemala isn't a "race". But how in the world do you see that proves some point? Some people are prejiduce against "Americans, Canadians, Texans or even Tennessee. You most definitely can be judged because of where you live. I mean look what everyone says about people from twin! lol We are no better or no worse than guatemalans. However I do NOT support illegal aliens. That really has put us in a hard spot. Jobs are scarce enough for the legal citizens that has a family to support. Do I blame them from sneaking in here? I'd probley do the same thing if it were me and my kids.
really now

Cookeville, TN

#14 Mar 21, 2013
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
1.While you dial 911 let me explain something to ya, Guatemala is not a race, just a geographical region with its very own borders! Had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish ,and not just those in Guatemala.
2. It is supposed to be a free country, post anything you like , I will.
A.Let me explain what racism realy is ! when you take a job at the chicken plant and they{spanish people} walk 3 wide in a 2 lane hallway and you have to stand up against the wall and let them pass!
B.You are driving and it is raining, slick and some drunk spanish guy walks right out in front of you and you slam on the brakes to keep from hiting him ! you are fish tailing and spining but gain control of your car and the son of a bitch gives you the finger! that is a whole lot closer to racisim than your claim of racism.So take your claim of racism to hell with you!!
Latin and Spanish are languages, not races. When you complain about "spanish people" walking three abreast it sounds like you are complaining about anyone who speaks Spanish.
really now

Cookeville, TN

#15 Mar 21, 2013
laughing all the way wrote:
Well you are right, Guatemala isn't a "race". But how in the world do you see that proves some point? Some people are prejiduce against "Americans, Canadians, Texans or even Tennessee. You most definitely can be judged because of where you live. I mean look what everyone says about people from twin! lol We are no better or no worse than guatemalans. However I do NOT support illegal aliens. That really has put us in a hard spot. Jobs are scarce enough for the legal citizens that has a family to support. Do I blame them from sneaking in here? I'd probley do the same thing if it were me and my kids.
The question I had was in reference to the first three posts on this discussion; I asked about the intent of the topic. Is it for sympathy for the anti-woman issues there or it the purpose to alarm people about the influx of the people from Guatemala? I agree about the job situation and the unfairness of the support of illegals!
really now

Cookeville, TN

#16 Mar 21, 2013
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
1.While you dial 911 let me explain something to ya, Guatemala is not a race, just a geographical region with its very own borders! Had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish ,and not just those in Guatemala.
2. It is supposed to be a free country, post anything you like , I will.
A.Let me explain what racism realy is ! when you take a job at the chicken plant and they{spanish people} walk 3 wide in a 2 lane hallway and you have to stand up against the wall and let them pass!
B.You are driving and it is raining, slick and some drunk spanish guy walks right out in front of you and you slam on the brakes to keep from hiting him ! you are fish tailing and spining but gain control of your car and the son of a bitch gives you the finger! that is a whole lot closer to racisim than your claim of racism.So take your claim of racism to hell with you!!
Okay: 1. You wrote "had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish, and not just those in Guatemala." 2. After that you wrote (in A.) about "what racism really is" and you give the example of "they (spanish people)" walking 3 wide in a 2 lane walkway. You seem to be complaining about ALL spanish people?? I agree with part of what you are saying, because surely there are also many examples of racism towards the citizens here. Then we could probably debate who insulted the other "side" first, so it's just reacting and not racism.....it's hard to see our own part sometimes. That's what makes a discussion or a debate, even!
unemployed

Greeneville, TN

#17 Mar 22, 2013
really now wrote:
<quoted text> The question I had was in reference to the first three posts on this discussion; I asked about the intent of the topic. Is it for sympathy for the anti-woman issues there or it the purpose to alarm people about the influx of the people from Guatemala? I agree about the job situation and the unfairness of the support of illegals!
That wasn't geared towards you. I know what you were saying.
JIm

Cookeville, TN

#18 Mar 25, 2013
really now wrote:
<quoted text>Latin and Spanish are languages, not races. When you complain about "spanish people" walking three abreast it sounds like you are complaining about anyone who speaks Spanish.
Spanish is a language and a nationality. The race of Spanish-speaking people is usually referred to as Hispanic or Latino! Wrong again
rob

Cookeville, TN

#19 Mar 25, 2013
really now wrote:
<quoted text>Okay: 1. You wrote "had I said Latin or Spanish then that could be racism because it would include all Spanish, and not just those in Guatemala." 2. After that you wrote (in A.) about "what racism really is" and you give the example of "they (spanish people)" walking 3 wide in a 2 lane walkway. You seem to be complaining about ALL spanish people?? I agree with part of what you are saying, because surely there are also many examples of racism towards the citizens here. Then we could probably debate who insulted the other "side" first, so it's just reacting and not racism.....it's hard to see our own part sometimes. That's what makes a discussion or a debate, even!
Well ther you take things out of context, the title of this blog is Guatemalans which would be they!It is ok you are a liberal and I dont exspect much out of you!
rob

Cookeville, TN

#20 Mar 25, 2013
laughing all the way wrote:
Well you are right, Guatemala isn't a "race". But how in the world do you see that proves some point? Some people are prejiduce against "Americans, Canadians, Texans or even Tennessee. You most definitely can be judged because of where you live. I mean look what everyone says about people from twin! lol We are no better or no worse than guatemalans. However I do NOT support illegal aliens. That really has put us in a hard spot. Jobs are scarce enough for the legal citizens that has a family to support. Do I blame them from sneaking in here? I'd probley do the same thing if it were me and my kids.
A.The point it proves is someone refered to my post as racist for lack of substance they had nothing else they could say , because my blog is pure Fact!
B.Try reading the post retard!

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