Is USDA's New Planting Map Forcing a Global Warming Agenda?

Jan 26, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TheBlaze.com

On Wednesday, the U.S. Department of Agriculture released an updated guide for the color-coded map of planting zones often seen on the back of seed packets.

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SpaceBlues

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Or at least they are established scientific facts (almost all, he flubbed a point or two)
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Correct, but to increase the equilibrium storage, the partial pressure must be HIGHER, so oceans only moderate the increase in CO2, they cannot eliminate it.
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Incorrect. The black body (actually gray since the earths albedo is about 0.3) is the determinant of the equilibrium temperature above the troposphere. The surface to the tropopause is determined by the equivalent calculation including the IR albedo (fairly dark since GHGs are good absorbers of Long Wave IR). Which is why the surface is about 33C warmer than the equilibrium to space.
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True but immaterial to determining the stable temperature of the surface..
Corrections:

First, it's not correct that "CO2 disolves imto sea water because of the partial pressure of the C02."

Co2 is soluble in water. Dissolving CO2 in seawater increases the hydrogen ion (H+) concentration in the ocean, and thus decreases ocean pH. When CO2 dissolves, it reacts with water to form a balance of ionic and non-ionic chemical species: dissolved free carbon dioxide (CO2(aq)), carbonic acid, bicarbonate, and carbonate.

Second, it is not true that "Water vapor is also a more powerful greenhouse gas (by far) than any other."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-g...

There are three major groups or types of high High Global Warming Potential (GWP) gases: hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF6). These compounds are the most potent greenhouse gases. In addition to having high global warming potentials, SF6 and PFCs have extremely long atmospheric lifetimes, resulting in their essentially irreversible accumulation in the atmosphere once emitted.

http://www.epa.gov/highgwp/scientific.html

Nitrogen trifluoride, NF3 is 17,000 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide:

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2008/2008-...

QED: as I posted before, his every sentence is WRONG.
SpaceBlues

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Corrected: CO2 always. Not Co2 (typo).
SpaceBlues

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Methane (CH4) is a greenhouse gas that remains in the atmosphere for approximately 9-15 years. Methane is over 20 times more effective in trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide (CO2) over a 100-year period and is emitted from a variety of natural and human-influenced sources.

http://www.epa.gov/methane/
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Man made global warming is a fraud. Thousands of emails do not lie.
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Methane (CH4) is a greenhouse gas that remains in the atmosphere for approximately 9-15 years. Methane is over 20 times more effective in trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide (CO2) over a 100-year period and is emitted from a variety of natural and human-influenced sources.
http://www.epa.gov/methane/
Yes, all the EPA has to do is regulate your liberal flatulence, and most of the methane problem will be solved... There should be a special tax for vegetarians because of the extra flatulence too....seriously! LOL

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LessFactMoreHype, alias:
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(actually gray since the earths albedo is about 0.3)
Still denying you're not the same person, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?
American "gray," English (Canadian) grey.
Earth's albedo, capital E and possessive apostrophe.
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The Possessive Apostrophe
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/the-possessiv...
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SpaceBlues wrote:
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You are not as smart as you think you are.
SpaceBlues wrote:
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First, it's not correct that "CO2 disolves imto sea water because of the partial pressure of the C02."
Yes it does dissolve in sea water, but the equilibrium balance between dissolved CO2 and atmospheric CO2 is based on the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere. Hihger partial pressure of CO2 means more dissolved CO2.
SpaceBlues wrote:
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Co2 is soluble in water. Dissolving CO2 in seawater increases the hydrogen ion (H+) concentration in the ocean, and thus decreases ocean pH. When CO2 dissolves, it reacts with water to form a balance of ionic and non-ionic chemical species: dissolved free carbon dioxide (CO2(aq)), carbonic acid, bicarbonate, and carbonate.
This just describes the ionic chemistry of the dissolved CO2 (carbonic acid). This is, to some degree, buffered by reaction with salts such as calcium and magnesium as carbonates or bicarbonates.
SpaceBlues wrote:
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Second, it is not true that "Water vapor is also a more powerful greenhouse gas (by far) than any other."
Actually it is true. Mainly because water vapor forms such a large portion of the lower atmosphere, not because it is strong on a molecule vs molecule level. Of the current greenhouse effect, water vapor accounts for the largest fraction.
SpaceBlues wrote:
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-g...
There are three major groups or types of high High Global Warming Potential (GWP) gases: hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs), perfluorocarbons (PFCs), and sulfur hexafluoride (SF6). These compounds are the most potent greenhouse gases. In addition to having high global warming potentials, SF6 and PFCs have extremely long atmospheric lifetimes, resulting in their essentially irreversible accumulation in the atmosphere once emitted.
http://www.epa.gov/highgwp/scientific.html
Nitrogen trifluoride, NF3 is 17,000 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide:
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2008/2008-...
QED: as I posted before, his every sentence is WRONG.
p45. Section 2.2.4 Trapping in real atmospheres

A real atmosphere may contain several species with IR active modes and a full model will include their contributions to radiation trapping produced by clouds and aerosols. Partly because the IR bands of the various components overlap, the contributions of the individuals absorbers DO NOT ADD LINEARLY <emphasis added>. Table 2.2 shows the percentage of trapping that would remain if particular absorbers were removed from the atmosphere. We see that the clouds only contribute 14% to the trapping with all other species present, but would trap 50% if the other absorbers were removed.

Table 2.2 Contributions of atmospheric radiation absorbers to thermal trapping

Species removed % trapped radiation remaining
All..........0
H2O CO2 O3..........50
H2O..........64
Clouds..........86
CO2..........88
O3..........97
None..........100
Data from Rev. Geophys. & Space Sci. 16 (1978) 465
SpaceBlues

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You are not as smart as you think you are.
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Yes it does dissolve in sea water, but the equilibrium balance between dissolved CO2 and atmospheric CO2 is based on the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere. Hihger partial pressure of CO2 means more dissolved CO2.
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This just describes the ionic chemistry of the dissolved CO2 (carbonic acid). This is, to some degree, buffered by reaction with salts such as calcium and magnesium as carbonates or bicarbonates.
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Actually it is true. Mainly because water vapor forms such a large portion of the lower atmosphere, not because it is strong on a molecule vs molecule level. Of the current greenhouse effect, water vapor accounts for the largest fraction.
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p45. Section 2.2.4 Trapping in real atmospheres
A real atmosphere may contain several species with IR active modes and a full model will include their contributions to radiation trapping produced by clouds and aerosols. Partly because the IR bands of the various components overlap, the contributions of the individuals absorbers DO NOT ADD LINEARLY <emphasis added>. Table 2.2 shows the percentage of trapping that would remain if particular absorbers were removed from the atmosphere. We see that the clouds only contribute 14% to the trapping with all other species present, but would trap 50% if the other absorbers were removed.
Table 2.2 Contributions of atmospheric radiation absorbers to thermal trapping
Species removed % trapped radiation remaining
All..........0
H2O CO2 O3..........50
H2O..........64
Clouds..........86
CO2..........88
O3..........97
None..........100
Data from Rev. Geophys. & Space Sci. 16 (1978) 465
It takes one to know one.

You missed the boat again. You are merely dumping blah blah.

Are you feeling OK? I stand by my corrections.

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You are not as smart as you think you are.
For once, I actually agree with you.
All you have left to do, is admit that you're not as smart as you think you are and all will be well, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
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Serious pushback coming against a liberal government out of control. The tea party is going to finish the job they started in 2010. Liberal politicians are being handed their hats.

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Yes, all the EPA has to do is regulate your liberal flatulence, and most of the methane problem will be solved... There should be a special tax for vegetarians because of the extra flatulence too....seriously! LOL
dinosaur veggies caused global warming long ago. Now lentil eating hippies and salad munching liberals are doing the same. Then Al Gore, a serious farter in his own right.

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