Colo. Baker Who Refused Gay Wedding C...

Colo. Baker Who Refused Gay Wedding Cake Appears In Court

There are 148 comments on the Advocate story from Dec 5, 2013, titled Colo. Baker Who Refused Gay Wedding Cake Appears In Court. In it, Advocate reports that:

A bakery owner in Lakewood, Colo., appeared in court yesterday to defend himself against allegations that he discriminated against a gay couple last July when he refused to bake a cake for their wedding.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#175 Dec 11, 2013
my bad. 'to' not 'too'
hidden agenda

Clarksburg, WV

#176 Dec 11, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I am a grown up. Are you?
This country was founded by people who had to flee religious persecution. I'm not surprised that you now want to re-write history along with the Bible.
But please explain something to me. The Bible clearly states that to change any word, jot or tittle is to break God's law and is a serious offense.

So how did a word that was invented in the just in the last couple of hundred years end up in Scripture?

The 6 passages in the Bible that refer to same sex activity all are about using templer prostitutes in Pagan Rituals.

If you want to live in a theocracy remember that the Puritans banned Christmas in Boston.

Fortunately our Founding Fathers saw how dangerous it is to let religion dictate politics.

One last thing. NONE OF YOU would DARE defend this guy if he refused to serve a black couple, though if they happened to be Muslims I'm sure you would still defend this sorry excuse for a religious person.(and you know I'm right).
Puritans founded this country.
I will defend this baker! I would not defend the baker if it were a black person you are right about that. See being black is on the outside and is something you are born into. Being gay is a choice and sin to get married. So at that point is where I can not agree with. If I do I then go against principle beliefs in the bible and churches across the country and world! As for if it were for a Muslim couple I would take it case by case. For some are rational and some are radicals. I simply think it should be up to the business owners religious beliefs.
It's oblivious it wouldn't work for everyone religious group. Say the west boro baptists church or extremist of any religious. That's what the laws were meant for. Not for people to find loop holes and claim bigots for basic beliefs. Not to mention its an overwhelming number who don't agree with gay and lesbian community.
I'm not trying to change you lifestyles or keep you all from a civil union. I just don't want it interfering with religion or any part of the first amendment.
Not agreeing with you doesn't make someone a bigot! Especially if its the majority against your imposing sinful ways.
hidden agenda

Clarksburg, WV

#177 Dec 11, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Congrats on the dumbest line on Topix I've seen all week:

"State rights only go so far. Like to the federal level."

So now that the Federal Govt. recognises SSM doesn't that mean every State has too?

Care to discuss the Supremacy Clause and Full Faith and Credit?

Or haven't you had that in school yet?
Which part was hard for you to understand? I tried to break it down for you. The federal govt. trumps all. Also the federal govt only agrees for tax purpose and benefits. It's a win win for them. Only the state can issue the marriage license through their counties courts. Therefor they do what the local government is elected to do which is to do what the people that voted them in to office want. That's why gay marriage is only allowed in some states. Se that's simple.

I would love for you to elaborate!
Christian Artist

Justice, IL

#178 Dec 11, 2013
And when the baker gets carpal tunnel from packing all the fudge required into this cake, will the ACLU work for years on his behalf?

Since: Jan 11

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#181 Dec 12, 2013
In some states, bestiallity is not specifically illegal. So, if a baker refuses to make a cake for a man and his dog partner/wife, will the baker be fined, imprisoned for refusing to make them a cake? What if I request a big pair of breasts on my cake, can the baker refuse my request?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#182 Dec 12, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
In some states, bestiallity is not specifically illegal. So, if a baker refuses to make a cake for a man and his dog partner/wife, will the baker be fined, imprisoned for refusing to make them a cake? What if I request a big pair of breasts on my cake, can the baker refuse my request?
Whoever said that there was no such thing as a stupid question hadn't read these yet. Sorry, but nowhere is being a practitioner of bestiality a suspect classification that a baker need be concerned about making. They would have the right to refuse service, sorry. As for your big boob cake, sorry, but you as a customer have no right to a big boob cake if the baker doesn't make big boob cakes for anyone else. Only if you went to a baker of big boob cakes who refused you a big boob cake on the basis of their suspect classification of you under the law might you have a claim. For instance, they cannot refuse to sell you a big boob cake on the basis of you being heterosexuals and their concern what you are REALLY going to be doing to with the big boob cake they created.
The Troll Stopper

Blacksburg, VA

#183 Dec 12, 2013
hidden agenda wrote:
<quoted text>
Which part was hard for you to understand? I tried to break it down for you. The federal govt. trumps all. Also the federal govt only agrees for tax purpose and benefits. It's a win win for them. Only the state can issue the marriage license through their counties courts. Therefor they do what the local government is elected to do which is to do what the people that voted them in to office want. That's why gay marriage is only allowed in some states. Se that's simple.
I would love for you to elaborate!
Funny how you contradict yourself by saying federal law reigns supreme -- except when it comes to state marriage laws. Southern states once used that "logic" to rationalize their bans on interracial marriage, only to get slapped down hard in Loving v. Virginia.

Sorry, but refusing to grant same-sex couples the exact same right that opposite-sex couples have of entering into a legally-recognized marriage violates the equal-protection clause of our 14th Amendment, so it's no wonder your side has been getting clobbered in one federal court case after another these days.
hidden agenda

Clarksburg, WV

#184 Dec 12, 2013
It wasn't contradiction it was facts. I don't care how you put it. What part covers you in the 14 amendment?

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#186 Dec 13, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Whoever said that there was no such thing as a stupid question hadn't read these yet. Sorry, but nowhere is being a practitioner of bestiality a suspect classification that a baker need be concerned about making. They would have the right to refuse service, sorry. As for your big boob cake, sorry, but you as a customer have no right to a big boob cake if the baker doesn't make big boob cakes for anyone else. Only if you went to a baker of big boob cakes who refused you a big boob cake on the basis of their suspect classification of you under the law might you have a claim. For instance, they cannot refuse to sell you a big boob cake on the basis of you being heterosexuals and their concern what you are REALLY going to be doing to with the big boob cake they created.
So, does the baker have to make a cake for people that belong to the Communist Party, Nazi Party or NAMBLA?
Is a baker required to bake a cake for the Mongols or Hells Angels Motorcycle Clubs?(legally, not just to avoid the beat down)
Does the baker have the right to refuse service, or not? Does it matter if it is on moral grounds or "just cuz"? ie A gun store owner, if he or she has a bad feeling about a customer, should they be required to sell them a firearm? Should a bartender continue to serve someone who has had "too much"? Just sayin'

Since: Jan 11

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#188 Dec 13, 2013
Are pastors and priests going to be mandated to perform gay weddings?
Barely related: Rush Limbaugh had Elton John perform at his wedding, for scads of money, does that piss anyone off?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#189 Dec 13, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
<quoted text>So, does the baker have to make a cake for people that belong to the Communist Party, Nazi Party or NAMBLA?
Is a baker required to bake a cake for the Mongols or Hells Angels Motorcycle Clubs?(legally, not just to avoid the beat down)
Does the baker have the right to refuse service, or not? Does it matter if it is on moral grounds or "just cuz"? ie A gun store owner, if he or she has a bad feeling about a customer, should they be required to sell them a firearm? Should a bartender continue to serve someone who has had "too much"? Just sayin'
One more time. You may want to take notes. Business owners have both a limited right to refuse service of their own volition and a legal obligation to refuse service in given circumstances (drunks in bars, people wanting photographs of naked children, etc.). The limits on the right of the business owner to refuse service is in the area of on what basis they can exercise that sort of refusal. Under federal law, it is an offense to refuse service on the basis of race, ethnicity and/or choice of religious beliefs, whether you claim God approves or not. Other laws apply to such factors as gender, disability and military service. As you get down to the state and local level additional groups are protected. You need to look at your state and local laws as to who and who not a business owner can legally discriminate. None of them limit the right to refuse service on the basis of a customer's political beliefs, or other activities that a business owner might not approve of. All these limitations are pretty much common sense. No one participating in public life deserves to be ambushed by someone else's choice of personal bigotries against whatever it is about you as a human being they hate, even if the person doing the ambushing believes God approves of their actions or not.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#190 Dec 13, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
Lesbians might want a big Boob cake !
It's time you let the adults talk, you're only embarrassing yourself by acting like this.

“LIFE'S TO SHORT TO LET TOPIX”

Since: Aug 08

TROLLS GET YA DOWN:-)

#191 Dec 13, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
Are pastors and priests going to be mandated to perform gay weddings?
Barely related: Rush Limbaugh had Elton John perform at his wedding, for scads of money, does that piss anyone off?
No, Pastors and ANY Clergy will NOT be mandated to perform a wedding ceremony for ANY couple they DON'T believes follows Church Doctrine. They are protected by the separation of Church and State.

Who cares what the hell Elton John does for money......it's his right to do so!!!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#192 Dec 13, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
Are pastors and priests going to be mandated to perform gay weddings?
No. We have a right to be married, we don't have a right to be married by the Catholic Church, even if we are Catholic, nor any other place of worship or their officiants, even if you are marrying someone of the same faith and of the opposite sex. Their rules, they decide NOW, same sex marriages don't change anything in that regard, even in states with public accommodation protections based on sexual orientation.
Naughtyrobot wrote:
Barely related: Rush Limbaugh had Elton John perform at his wedding, for scads of money, does that piss anyone off?
Why? For scads of Rush's money all of us would have sung at his latest attempt at until death do they part. If at first, second or third, you don't succeed, try, try again. For that kind of money, most of us would have kissed both the bride and the groom, smack on the lips and with tongue if they asked.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#193 Dec 13, 2013
I guess the baker should become clergy then. Clergy apparently get special rights. What accredation is good enough?

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#194 Dec 13, 2013
If two consenting male adults(over18) want to get married, and have a cake, is there anything that might prevent them from having their cake and eating it too? What if they are brothers, or father and son?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#195 Dec 13, 2013
Consult your state's laws regarding marriage to blood and other legal relatives. They vary from state to state. Even though most were written without the notion of a same sex marriage in mind, the way most were originally written, seem to preclude/allow them on an equal basis already.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#198 Dec 13, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
Just like the whole constitution was written "without the notion of a same sex marriage in mind"
Really? No kidding? I thought our founding fathers were supposed to be omniscient. Damn. There are any number of rights we enjoy now, that our founding fathers had no clue were coming, but paved the way for nonetheless. Did you imagine you had a point?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#200 Dec 15, 2013
hidden agenda wrote:
<quoted text>
Puritans founded this country.
I will defend this baker! I would not defend the baker if it were a black person you are right about that. See being black is on the outside and is something you are born into. Being gay is a choice and sin to get married. So at that point is where I can not agree with. If I do I then go against principle beliefs in the bible and churches across the country and world! As for if it were for a Muslim couple I would take it case by case. For some are rational and some are radicals. I simply think it should be up to the business owners religious beliefs.
It's oblivious it wouldn't work for everyone religious group. Say the west boro baptists church or extremist of any religious. That's what the laws were meant for. Not for people to find loop holes and claim bigots for basic beliefs. Not to mention its an overwhelming number who don't agree with gay and lesbian community.
I'm not trying to change you lifestyles or keep you all from a civil union. I just don't want it interfering with religion or any part of the first amendment.
Not agreeing with you doesn't make someone a bigot! Especially if its the majority against your imposing sinful ways.
Being gay is a choice you say? How old were you when you chose your sexuality? How old were Mom and Dad?

The fact remains gays and lesbians are covered by the same laws in Colorado that protect blacks and others.

Discrimination is illegal.

Period.

Now since you are so concerned about religious freedom, why haven't you uttered a single peep against the law in Indiana that makes it a crime for a minister to bless a SSM?

Hypocrisy or just plain lazy?

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#201 Dec 15, 2013
Naughtyrobot wrote:
In some states, bestiallity is not specifically illegal. So, if a baker refuses to make a cake for a man and his dog partner/wife, will the baker be fined, imprisoned for refusing to make them a cake? What if I request a big pair of breasts on my cake, can the baker refuse my request?
Yes he can.

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