Work on building with collapse was mo...

Work on building with collapse was months behind schedule

There are 26 comments on the KUSA Denver story from Jul 5, 2007, titled Work on building with collapse was months behind schedule. In it, KUSA Denver reports that:

VIEW SLIDESHOW GREENWOOD VILLAGE - " The multi-million high rise where a portion of a floor collapsed Thursday morning was at least six months behind schedule, records show.

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Zaugg

Arvada, CO

#1 Jul 5, 2007
I have knowledge of this project as I bid some work as a subcontractor and didn't get it as we couldn't do our work in their time schedule. They may be behind schedule but the schedule was wrong. I have never seen a project bid so bassackwards and haste to complete would cause shortcuts and accidents to happen.
Wild Bill

AOL

#2 Jul 5, 2007
I'd hate to be one of the people moving into this placed.
anon

AOL

#4 Jul 6, 2007
Wonder if Ms. Nagler would say "It is important to note, this was not a structural failure..." if the floor in her home collapsed while she was in the basement laundry room?

Good thing they left out that "unlucky" 13th floor, just think what a jinx that might have been.

Hope the injured workers are doing okay and OSHA stays on top of this project until it is completed.
anon

AOL

#5 Jul 6, 2007
Zaugg wrote:
I have knowledge of this project as I bid some work as a subcontractor and didn't get it as we couldn't do our work in their time schedule. They may be behind schedule but the schedule was wrong. I have never seen a project bid so bassackwards and haste to complete would cause shortcuts and accidents to happen.
Do you know anything about "Concrete Express" (the sub involved in this pour)? Sounds like they have had trouble in the past.
Matt1

Denver, CO

#6 Jul 6, 2007
wow
Jim C

Rocky Ford, CO

#7 Jul 6, 2007
I found this story at www.whatsnewscolorado.com
Pat

Wheat Ridge, CO

#8 Jul 6, 2007
anon wrote:
Wonder if Ms. Nagler would say "It is important to note, this was not a structural failure..." if the floor in her home collapsed while she was in the basement laundry room?
Good thing they left out that "unlucky" 13th floor, just think what a jinx that might have been.
Hope the injured workers are doing okay and OSHA stays on top of this project until it is completed.
The formwork is not a structural item, and that was what failed. The floor that everything fell on IS a structural item and it held up. Therefore it was not a structural failure.
not now

Arvada, CO

#10 Jul 6, 2007
I had been looking to buy one of these condos. I think I'll keep looking. I'm glad this happened now before I wasted any more time.
Joe Republican

Livingston, MT

#11 Jul 6, 2007
as a staunch Republican AND business owner,the employees should be sued AND FIRED!!
Denver

United States

#13 Jul 6, 2007
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>The formwork is not a structural item, and that was what failed. The floor that everything fell on IS a structural item and it held up. Therefore it was not a structural failure.
Excuse me for pointing out your ignorance...

Formwork is the "form" that the concrete is to take. The concrete is poured over a metal deck, which is supported by steel beams and columns. That is structural, and that is what collapsed. The structural steel on the floor it fell onto didn't collapse... yet.
formworker

Kyle, TX

#14 Jul 6, 2007
Denver wrote:
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Excuse me for pointing out your ignorance...
Formwork is the "form" that the concrete is to take. The concrete is poured over a metal deck, which is supported by steel beams and columns. That is structural, and that is what collapsed. The structural steel on the floor it fell onto didn't collapse... yet.
What Pat was trying to say is; the form that collapsed is structural, but not permanent to the building. Therefore; once the concrete is poured and dried the formwork is removed from the building and has nothing to do with the buildings structure.
Pat

Wheat Ridge, CO

#15 Jul 6, 2007
Denver wrote:
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Excuse me for pointing out your ignorance...
Formwork is the "form" that the concrete is to take. The concrete is poured over a metal deck, which is supported by steel beams and columns. That is structural, and that is what collapsed. The structural steel on the floor it fell onto didn't collapse... yet.
Actually, thank you for your ignorance, if you knew anything about this type of issue you would know that form work is generally made out of wood and is temporary, and yes it is the form that the concrete is suppose to take, but it was the formwork or "wood" that collapsed or failed. None of the concrete or structural items have failed. I'm sure you can ask anyone involved in yesterdays accident and it will be a proven fact that it was not a structural fail.Please know what you are talking about before you embarrass yourself any further.
Pat

Wheat Ridge, CO

#16 Jul 6, 2007
formworker wrote:
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What Pat was trying to say is; the form that collapsed is structural, but not permanent to the building. Therefore; once the concrete is poured and dried the formwork is removed from the building and has nothing to do with the buildings structure.
Thank you! I'm glad you know what you are talking about!
Denver

United States

#18 Jul 6, 2007
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, thank you for your ignorance, if you knew anything about this type of issue you would know that form work is generally made out of wood and is temporary, and yes it is the form that the concrete is suppose to take, but it was the formwork or "wood" that collapsed or failed. None of the concrete or structural items have failed. I'm sure you can ask anyone involved in yesterdays accident and it will be a proven fact that it was not a structural fail.Please know what you are talking about before you embarrass yourself any further.
I have been a highrise ironworker for over 30 years. I think I know what I'm talking about. The structural items failed to hold the concrete that was poured. What do you think holds up the concrete after the wood forms are removed? Moron.
Pete

AOL

#19 Jul 6, 2007
The concrete, after cured, is the structure. The concrete is a post tension system and the post tension cables will be tensioned after the concrete reaches its required compressive strength. This is not a structural steel building, it's a cast-in-place concrete frame building.
The Tech

Denver, CO

#20 Jul 6, 2007
It is exactly as Pete said, and it's a good thing ironworkers don't pour concrete.
Banjoman

Denver, CO

#21 Jul 6, 2007
Jim C wrote:
I found this story at www.whatsnewscolorado.com
Who cares? The story is right here, and I just read it.
ThisIsMyALIAS

Littleton, CO

#23 Jul 6, 2007
You people are speaking Greek to me! ;o) But I'm curious if someone will have to take the blame for this or is it "just one of those things that can happen on a construction site"? I really hope everyone is ok.
Denver

United States

#24 Jul 6, 2007
Pete wrote:
The concrete, after cured, is the structure. The concrete is a post tension system and the post tension cables will be tensioned after the concrete reaches its required compressive strength. This is not a structural steel building, it's a cast-in-place concrete frame building.
And what is the concrete floor poured onto? Come on, you can say it... steel decking.
Denver

United States

#25 Jul 6, 2007
The Tech wrote:
It is exactly as Pete said, and it's a good thing ironworkers don't pour concrete.
You're right. We're over-qualified to pour concrete. We're white.

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