Colo. gay discrimination alleged over...

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

There are 37387 comments on the Denver Post story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake. In it, Denver Post reports that:

Engaged gay couple Dave Mullins, second from left, and Charlie Craig, left, were joined by a small group of supporters in Lakewood on Aug. 4, 2012 to protest and boycott the Masterpiece Cakeshop at 3355 S. Wadsworth Blvd. The couple went to the cake shop, and the owner turned the couple away saying he would not make them a rainbow-themed wedding ... (more)

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#955 Jan 21, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>OMFG! Are you serious? The gay couple BELONGS to a group.... a group that is a protected class.

How dare you speak for Dr. King. You are a clueless fool.
His WIFE says he would have supported gay rights. http://nuancestillmatters.com/... and I think she knew him better than you did.

Bayard Rustin was gay. Do you even know who that is?
And the baker is part of a group called Christians... So Christians don't have freedoms and gays do?
How dare I? Are you going to hate me for admiring one of the greatest Americans of all time?

Dr King would absolutely support gay rights (same as I do) but he would not allow government to remove rights of a baker in favor of pushing an ACCEPTANCE agenda.

Dr. King was not a socialist and in fact had to distance himself from Bayard Rustin, because he did not hold the same "socialist" values Bayard Rustin held.

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#958 Jan 22, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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Educated people are already over variations in sexual orientation; we're just now waiting for the last of the homophobic trash to die out.
In the meantime no explanation of any kind is required to establish the self evident fact that same sex couple enjoy the same marriage rights and responsibilities as any other through most of the industrialized democracies, including about half of the US population area.
As with the earth being more than 10000 years old, it's simple fact...something insane christianists cannot abide.
Educated people understand the differences between intimate relations of a man-woman and that of gay, or otherwise, couples.
It’s great that gay couples can enjoy the same legal benefits and responsibilities as other married couples, and I support that whole heatedly!
No one said “the earth being more than 10000 years old”… Are you losing faculties?

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#959 Jan 22, 2014
Christaliban wrote:
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You're theocratically mixed up, again. Muslims wouldn't get to discriminate against Christians in places of public accommodation. Fundamentalist mouthbreathers likewise don't get to discriminate against protected groups.
Fundamentalist cretins have the right to be bigots, to keep their houses of worship of hate, but not to discriminate against the public.
Also, when you were so drunk yesterday, you posted that the CO baker's actions have nothing to do with any "religious" beliefs, which of course is what we've known all along. So your return to this argument today that this all does have something to do with his hateful, fake, hypocritical xstainity suggests you're truly unhinged.
The 1st Amendment allows rights to ALL Americans. Repeating yourself over and over, playing twisted word games, and pretend “GATCHA” games, won’t change that a bit.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#960 Jan 22, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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A cake symbolizes a man-woman relationship? Are you retarded?
A wedding cake also symbolizes a man-man marriage and a woman-woman marriage
http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/12/07...
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Just Fabulous!

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#961 Jan 22, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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A wedding cake also symbolizes a man-man marriage and a woman-woman marriage
http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/12/07...
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Just Fabulous!
LOL! Awesome photo… The baker in question chooses to serve cakes with only Husbands and Wives on top, as that is what symbolizes a marriage to him.

Obviously there are other bakers who don't feel that way and accommodate, and it’s not up to government to force others to believe differently.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#962 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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The 1st Amendment allows rights to ALL Americans. Repeating yourself over and over, playing twisted word games, and pretend “GATCHA” games, won’t change that a bit.
Your rights end where my rights begin
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When we marry; we share our rights 50/50
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But if you start hogging more than your share of OUR rights; I'll divorce your sorry homophobic @#$ and marry me a REAL man that knows how to wear a cowbell in style
http://media.villagevoice.com/6830073.87.jpg

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#963 Jan 22, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Your rights end where my rights begin
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When we marry; we share our rights 50/50
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But if you start hogging more than your share of OUR rights; I'll divorce your sorry homophobic @#$ and marry me a REAL man that knows how to wear a cowbell in style
http://media.villagevoice.com/6830073.87.jpg
So your rights begin with a wedding cake and the baker’s rights end? For him jail and fines, and for you now wedding cake?
You are obviously a angry and hate others who don’t agree with you. I am not one of those people, and I am an American who understands that freedom is for ALL Americans whether you disagree or not.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#964 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
So your rights begin with a wedding cake and the baker’s rights end? For him jail and fines, and for you now wedding cake?
Precisely; sugar
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Such has been the law for 50 years
http://www.citizensource.com/History/20thCen/...

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#965 Jan 22, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Precisely; sugar
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Such has been the law for 50 years
http://www.citizensource.com/History/20thCen/...
I understand the law… But the 1st Amendment of the Constitution is clear.“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” If the baker believes a wedding cake is reserved for a husband and wife then he does in fact have the right to not sell it based on that belief…
Your rights certainly don’t start at a wedding cake, and to say so trivializes the ACTUAL rights you have and enjoy in our Country.
I am not defending the actions of this baker, I am defending ALL Americans rights as individuals.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#967 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
When religious people apply the quotation to themselves; it works out very well for them
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But when a religious person tries to apply the quotation to another person; it hits a legal brick wall because the other person is entitled to apply the same quotation likewise in his/her way; rather than your way
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Here are several examples of free exercise of religion that hits a legal brick wall:
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And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.-- Leviticus 26:29
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And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.-- Deuteronomy 28:53
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And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.-- Jeremiah 19:9
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How lovely. Please don't get hungry around me or I will be forced get my stick
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#968 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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To the baker it does and it's not up to you or government to face him to believe otherwise or punish him for his belief.
Good luck with that idiotic argument in court.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#969 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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So to you "stupid people" should be punished by government and rights removed because you think they are "stupid people"?
Which of your rights have been removed, oh stupid person?
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#970 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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And the baker is part of a group called Christians... So Christians don't have freedoms and gays do?
Did the baker refuse to serve 'Christians?'

You don't really think 'christians' have a right to ignore the law, do you?
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#971 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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The 1st Amendment allows rights to ALL Americans. Repeating yourself over and over, playing twisted word games, and pretend “GATCHA” games, won’t change that a bit.
The 1st Amendment says NOTHING about permitting 'christians' to ignore the law.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#972 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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LOL! Awesome photo… The baker in question chooses to serve cakes with only Husbands and Wives on top, as that is what symbolizes a marriage to him.
Obviously there are other bakers who don't feel that way and accommodate, and it’s not up to government to force others to believe differently.
No one is forcing the bigot baker to believe differently. If one wishes to go into business, one plays by the rules. If you don't like the rules, don't play. You don't get to ignore the rules using the excuse of religion. A bakery isn't a church.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#973 Jan 22, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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I understand the law… But the 1st Amendment of the Constitution is clear.“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” If the baker believes a wedding cake is reserved for a husband and wife then he does in fact have the right to not sell it based on that belief…
hahahahaha
ahhaahahahha

You are WRONG. Where did you get that stupid idea? Let me guess..... another stupid person told you that lie.
Warm Heart

Central City, KY

#976 Jan 22, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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No one is forcing the bigot baker to believe differently. If one wishes to go into business, one plays by the rules. If you don't like the rules, don't play. You don't get to ignore the rules using the excuse of religion. A bakery isn't a church.
That was the bakers choice, that doesn't make him a bigot. Just because people in general don't think homosexuality is ok does not make them bigots. Bisexuality is a thing in this generation as well but sorry folks not all of us think that-that is ok either but that doesn't make us bigots. If anyone is being discriminated against it is the people that believe God's word as the truth.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#977 Jan 22, 2014
Warm Heart wrote:
<quoted text> That was the bakers choice, that doesn't make him a bigot. Just because people in general don't think homosexuality is ok does not make them bigots. Bisexuality is a thing in this generation as well but sorry folks not all of us think that-that is ok either but that doesn't make us bigots. If anyone is being discriminated against it is the people that believe God's word as the truth.
You are free to believe whatever blows your skirt up. It does NOT give you an excuse to ignore the law. The USA is NOT a theocracy. What you consider as 'god's word' is irrelevant.

"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. Person extremely intolerant of others and irrespective of reasoning."

irrespective of reasoning.....

So the bottom line is, you will believe what you want to believe irrespective of reasoning. THAT makes you a bigot.
Warm Heart

Central City, KY

#979 Jan 22, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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You are free to believe whatever blows your skirt up. It does NOT give you an excuse to ignore the law. The USA is NOT a theocracy. What you consider as 'god's word' is irrelevant.
"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own. Person extremely intolerant of others and irrespective of reasoning."
irrespective of reasoning.....
So the bottom line is, you will believe what you want to believe irrespective of reasoning. THAT makes you a bigot.
Does that make you a bigot too?
Denver Dan

Sacramento, CA

#980 Jan 22, 2014
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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When religious people apply the quotation to themselves; it works out very well for them
.
But when a religious person tries to apply the quotation to another person; it hits a legal brick wall because the other person is entitled to apply the same quotation likewise in his/her way; rather than your way
.
Here are several examples of free exercise of religion that hits a legal brick wall:
.
**********
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.-- Leviticus 26:29
.
And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.-- Deuteronomy 28:53
.
And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.-- Jeremiah 19:9
**********
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How lovely. Please don't get hungry around me or I will be forced get my stick
The Bible can be read a million different ways.

Still does not justify those who think their rights should abolish the rights of others.

Gays need to back off to those not wanting to cater to them given their religious beliefs given gays are being given their freedoms.

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