Civil unions clear Colo. Legislature,...

Civil unions clear Colo. Legislature, head to gov

There are 210 comments on the SavannahNow story from Mar 12, 2013, titled Civil unions clear Colo. Legislature, head to gov. In it, SavannahNow reports that:

Civil unions for gay couples was a rallying cry for Democrats who took control of the Colorado House in last year's elections and vowed an early vote on the proposal.

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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#127 Mar 19, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So? Nothing prevented me from going to Massachusettes to get married, just like millions of other people have done. Yes, Michigan refuses to recognize my legal marriage for state benefits (for now), but that doesn't change the simple fact that I'm legally married to another man. Interesting bit of hypocrisy- even though Michigan doesn't recognize my marriage for state benefits, if I wanted to marry a woman in Michigan, I'd have to get a divorce first! So it turns out they DO indeed recognize my marriage.
I'm so happy WeTheSheeple found a lifemate. He's wrong about needing a divorce to marry a woman in Michigan; they don't recognize his marriage.

But if it makes him feel better, I'll recognize it and send congratulations. There's no need to change marriage law for everyone else.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#128 Mar 19, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, gee. Thank you. I have your permission to think what I want. I can't tell you how good that makes me feel knowing I have your blessing.
<quoted text> Except that as always you're lying, and stupid for fantasizing I'd ever believe any of your bullsh!t when obviously I know better.(But seriously, who *doesn't* know better than you... about damn near anything. But I digress.)
<quoted text> Yet again you know nothing.(That *stupid* thing keep biting you in the ass... which, for all I know, gives you a stiffy.) If it goes your way, I won't lose a nanosecond of sleep. I won't agree with it, but I do have that right. And I will make money from the decision.
P.S.: Congratulations on being named the #4 scumbag on this forum. I thought you would score higher.
Just knowing you'll "disagree" yet couldn't do anything to stop it is satisfaction enough.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#129 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm so happy WeTheSheeple found a lifemate. He's wrong about needing a divorce to marry a woman in Michigan; they don't recognize his marriage.
But if it makes him feel better, I'll recognize it and send congratulations. There's no need to change marriage law for everyone else.
It only changes marriage law for same-sex couples; it has no effect at all on opposite-sex marriages.

And there's nothing you can do about the coming changes except to bitch & complain as usual.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#130 Mar 19, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Be with whomever you want. It's none of my business and I hope you will be very happy with your partner for a gazillion years. If you think I label you differently, it's because I consider you different. Neither better nor worse... and did I mention that your orientation and choice of partner are none of my business or concern? Hell, I'M different! Born-agains are different, artists are different. Engineers are different fer cryin' out loud! Jews are different as are Muslims, Latinos and Asians.(Okay, I admit that I'm not a fan of Muslims. Sue me.)
I don't ask, and certainly don't require that you agree with me.*I* don't always agree with me! And from my perspective, left inclined governments are really good at running roughshod over freedom. I cite Mayor Bloomberg as a not-so-shining example. Civil unions are small potatoes compared to the nut jobs trying to gut the 2nd Amendment, ruin our economy, and dictate what fully one half of the population may do with their reproductive functions.
Love your partner and call him whatever you want. We'll disagree on that and yet civilization as we know it won't end in the next three or four minutes because of it. As far as I'm concerned, that "love your partner" thing trumps whatever name you call the relationship.
I could be wrong but.... What am I saying! Me? Wrong? Ever????(Never gonna happen.)
Then why are you calling my husband my "partner" instead of acquiescing in the name of common decency and respect for the liberty of others to pursue life as they so choose? Let government call marriage whatever so long as it is named identically for all citizens. That doesn't mean the haggling over the mere definition of the word will ever stop, but it does mean government will interfere less in the rights of its people.

As I see it, there are two options- either marriage or civil unions for all. Anything else just isn't fair because I am entitled to the same rights as anybody else... At least in principal...
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#132 Mar 20, 2013
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why are you calling my husband my "partner" ....
Okay, your husband.
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
<quoted text>
instead of acquiescing in the name of common decency and respect for the liberty of others to pursue life as they so choose? Let government call marriage whatever so long as it is named identically for all citizens. That doesn't mean the haggling over the mere definition of the word will ever stop, but it does mean government will interfere less in the rights of its people.
As I see it, there are two options- either marriage or civil unions for all. Anything else just isn't fair because I am entitled to the same rights as anybody else... At least in principal...
Feel free to see only two options. Again, I disagree

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Since: Dec 08

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#133 Mar 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
It only changes marriage law for same-sex couples; it has no effect at all on opposite-sex marriages. And there's nothing you can do about the coming changes except to bitch & complain as usual.
Same sex marriage supporters ignore the consequences of their novel policy; changing marriage law changes adoption and custody rights, tax policy and entitlement benefits to name just three consequences. Rewriting marriage law doesn't have "no effect at all on opposite-sex marriages", it affects everyone including singles.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#134 Mar 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Same sex marriage supporters ignore the consequences of their novel policy; changing marriage law changes adoption and custody rights, tax policy and entitlement benefits to name just three consequences. Rewriting marriage law doesn't have "no effect at all on opposite-sex marriages", it affects everyone including singles.
The changes would be exactly the same if we settled for civil unions as you previously supported.

So why are those changes okay under civil unions, but not under the term marriage?

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#135 Mar 20, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Okay, your husband.
<quoted text> Feel free to see only two options. Again, I disagree
The only third option is for government to get out of the marriage business altogether.

Can you think of anything else regarding marriage that grants equal rights to all?
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#136 Mar 20, 2013
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
<quoted text>
The only third option is for government to get out of the marriage business altogether.
Can you think of anything else regarding marriage that grants equal rights to all?
If you choose to limit your options, so be it. Sadly you seem to be at the word game stage where you won't accept any possibilities other than those you are already locked into as noted by your "only" parameter. I'm not going to go there because it's a discussion ender. Believe how you choose to believe and I'll believe as I choose to believe without my demanding that you subscribe to my position. We'll likely have to agree to disagree.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#137 Mar 20, 2013
Civil unions aren't marriages; that's why I support civil unions.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#138 Mar 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Civil unions aren't marriages; that's why I support civil unions.
And yet any equal civil unions application would result in the same tax & adoption & custody & entitlement issues you claim as a reason to oppose marriage for same-sex couples.

So to clarify, that previous comment of yours was just an excuse to oppose marriage equality because you're anti-gay.

Glad you cleared that up for us (but of course we already knew that).....
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#139 Mar 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
So to clarify, that previous comment of yours was just an excuse to oppose marriage equality because you're anti-gay.
I'll be sure to tell my gay friend that he's anti-gay since he opposes same sex marriage.

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#140 Mar 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
The changes would be exactly the same if we settled for civil unions as you previously supported.
So why are those changes okay under civil unions, but not under the term marriage?
are you starting to see the light, is there hope or are my expectations to high

Since: Jan 12

Port Richey, FL

#141 Mar 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Civil unions aren't marriages; that's why I support civil unions.
and this is why I reject civil unions

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#142 Mar 20, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> I'll be sure to tell my gay friend that he's anti-gay since he opposes same sex marriage.
Please do.

Unfortunately there are always a few people who work against the interests of their own group.

-Blacks who supported slavery & segregation and opposed inter-racial marriage.
-Japanese Americans who supported internment in WWII
-Native Americans who worked for the US Army during the Indian wars.
-Women who opposed the right of women to vote
-Gays who opposed marriage equality
-Muslim Americans who support AlQueda
-Etc, etc, etc

The common term is "Uncle Tom"
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#143 Mar 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Please do.
Unfortunately there are always a few people who work against the interests of their own group.
And yet your bullsh!t here would have an effect of working against the acceptance of gays by those who have less experience interacting with them.

Sometimes I have the notion that's you're actually a nut job breeder trying to sabotage the interests of gays. Unlikely, but it's a concept. You certainly are a nut job.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#144 Mar 20, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> And yet your bullsh!t here would have an effect of working against the acceptance of gays by those who have less experience interacting with them.
Sometimes I have the notion that's you're actually a nut job breeder trying to sabotage the interests of gays. Unlikely, but it's a concept. You certainly are a nut job.
Only hardcore anti-gays such as yourself may be offended by the things I say.

Pointing out the stupidity, hypocrisy, & inaccuracies of the anti-gays in no way works against acceptance of gays.

That's why support for marriage equality has only INCREASED since we all started speaking out to our family, friends, coworkers, neighbors, and even total strangers about the importance of marriage and the continued harm to our families from those who oppose marriage equality.

Btw, 80% of those under age 30 now support marrige equality; 58% of the population overall.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#145 Mar 20, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> I'll be sure to tell my gay friend that he's anti-gay since he opposes same sex marriage.
Btw, are you sure he actually opposes marriage for ANY same-sex couple? Or maybe just for himself?

Either way, please point out the other Uncle Tom examples I gave you in case he's the former and not just the later.

Maybe he needs some more gay friends so he can get other perspectives than your twisted version of equality.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#146 Mar 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Only hardcore anti-gays such as yourself may be offended by the things I say.
You try to make yourself sound important. You're not. I merely point out and challenge your dishonesty and stupidity. You are cheap entertainment, nothing more. Certainly not a person to be taken seriously.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#147 Mar 20, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Btw, are you sure he actually opposes marriage for ANY same-sex couple? Or maybe just for himself?
Any.

And he's quite emphatic about gay rights, and how gays are treated and perceived. Once again, your assumptions (based on little or nothing other than your own prejudices) are wrong.

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