Police: House explosion was not an accident

Nov 19, 2012 Full story: WTTV Indianapolis 92

Fox59 News has learned that Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department homicide detectives have determined that the Nov.

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jle76

Greenwood, IN

#63 Nov 21, 2012
Whadayaknow wrote:
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It sounds to me that all of them need to take the fall. Where there's smoke, there's fire...(no pun intended).. IMO the three of them are low life's; throw the book at them, I say.
The news said there are four people involved. M leonard,his brother Bob, M Shirley and a guy named David Gill who was in the van with brother Bob the day of the explosion. Alleged brother Bob and Gill were the ones seen leaving the house at a fast pace by a neighbor while ms Shirley and boytoy were gone.
Whadayaknow

Bloomington, IN

#64 Nov 21, 2012
jle76 wrote:
<quoted text>The news said there are four people involved. M leonard,his brother Bob, M Shirley and a guy named David Gill who was in the van with brother Bob the day of the explosion. Alleged brother Bob and Gill were the ones seen leaving the house at a fast pace by a neighbor while ms Shirley and boytoy were gone.
They all probably have lawyered up by this time. And nurse Shirley can stop the whining and fake tears... they are getting tiresome.
jle76

Greenwood, IN

#65 Nov 21, 2012
Perhaps the boyfriend offered to buy his brother a new trailer to replace the rusted scummy trash looking place he's in now. And throw in a bag of meds no doubt.
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#66 Nov 21, 2012
Whadayaknow wrote:
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And how many patrons leave a bar totally sober? A large person who has had one drink would probably fare OK to drive. Bars/taverns of course started years ago before the automobile. People could stagger out of a bar, fumble and climb on their horse, and it would take them home. Makes one wonder if all establishments serving alcoholic beverages will someday be a thing of the past?
How true. The thought of someone watching me in a bar is more than a little weird, but it's really no different than a cop sitting across the street from a bar watching for someone to leave.
The horse reference made me laugh. Had some moonshiners in the family way back when and can imagine them doing just as you described.
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#67 Nov 21, 2012
Whadayaknow wrote:
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They all probably have lawyered up by this time. And nurse Shirley can stop the whining and fake tears... they are getting tiresome.
Lawyers are expensive. Maybe MS should have made house payments and been done with it.
And, just maybe, this will send a message to the next group of brilliant rocket scientists who contemplate insurance fraud.
jle76

Greenwood, IN

#68 Nov 21, 2012
Joe wrote:
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How true. The thought of someone watching me in a bar is more than a little weird, but it's really no different than a cop sitting across the street from a bar watching for someone to leave.
The horse reference made me laugh. Had some moonshiners in the family way back when and can imagine them doing just as you described.
Laughing. My family too had stills. Always heard the story of my g'grandfather being snockered on shine and rode a horse in one door and out the other during sunday a.m. churce service.
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#69 Nov 21, 2012
jle76 wrote:
<quoted text>Laughing. My family too had stills. Always heard the story of my g'grandfather being snockered on shine and rode a horse in one door and out the other during sunday a.m. churce service.
Ah, the good ol' days!
Reminds me of this.....
http://www.google.com/imgres...

Hope that link works. It's about 8 lines long.
Its Prison Time

Matthews, IN

#70 Nov 21, 2012
jle76 wrote:
Perhaps the boyfriend offered to buy his brother a new trailer to replace the rusted scummy trash looking place he's in now. And throw in a bag of meds no doubt.
No matter how miniscule their role,the death penalty should be on the table and given to all involved.

If his brother is involved,good riddance to Mars Hill trash.
Whadayaknow

Bloomington, IN

#71 Nov 21, 2012
Its Prison Time wrote:
<quoted text> No matter how miniscule their role,the death penalty should be on the table and given to all involved.
If his brother is involved,good riddance to Mars Hill trash.
Very doubtful the death penalty will be considered. Oh, the phrase will be tossed around by those who are angry at the crime, but some lawyer will be able to 'prove' that they didn't intend on killing anyone.
idontknow

Indianapolis, IN

#72 Nov 21, 2012
Its Prison Time wrote:
<quoted text>No matter how miniscule their role,the death penalty should be on the table and given to all involved.

If his brother is involved,good riddance to Mars Hill trash.
Death penalty trials are so expensive that prosecutors find them completely unaffordable. Particularly if a public defender is involved. Which would most certainly be the case here considering the gambling debts and individual finances involved.

Is it right? No. But there are times when cost must be taken into consideration. These deadbeats don't care what anything costs. They are more interested on scamming the system. ALL dead beats are like this!!!
Its Prison Time

Matthews, IN

#73 Nov 21, 2012
Whadayaknow wrote:
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Very doubtful the death penalty will be considered. Oh, the phrase will be tossed around by those who are angry at the crime, but some lawyer will be able to 'prove' that they didn't intend on killing anyone.
You're probably right. However,I don't think a lawyer could "prove" they didn't intend on killing anyone,although he could successfully make a plausible argument to cast doubt.
idontknow

Indianapolis, IN

#74 Nov 21, 2012
Its Prison Time wrote:
<quoted text>You're probably right. However,I don't think a lawyer could "prove" they didn't intend on killing anyone,although he could successfully make a plausible argument to cast doubt.
True. I think this was a case of bumbling idiots who didn't take collateral damage into consideration.
jle76

Greenwood, IN

#75 Nov 21, 2012
I don't know which is worse death or life. Of course death would mean countless appeals. And life is what? Only 15 to 20 yrs? I agree I doubt the intent was to blow the entire area. It makes me sick to think of them at a casino waiting for the phone call. Moncy Shirley said she was in the bar when a neighbor called her.I wonder what the feds have found in her cell phone records. Or her boyfriends cell records.And what could the reaction have been by the other two scumbags when there was breaking news that the entire neighborhood blew up. How do you kive with yourself?
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#76 Nov 21, 2012
jle76 wrote:
I don't know which is worse death or life. Of course death would mean countless appeals. And life is what? Only 15 to 20 yrs? I agree I doubt the intent was to blow the entire area. It makes me sick to think of them at a casino waiting for the phone call. Moncy Shirley said she was in the bar when a neighbor called her.I wonder what the feds have found in her cell phone records. Or her boyfriends cell records.And what could the reaction have been by the other two scumbags when there was breaking news that the entire neighborhood blew up. How do you kive with yourself?
Twenty years is quite a long time for any of these people. They'd be well into their sixties before release. I'd recommend giving them the max on each death and run the sentences consecutively. That way they'd do a minimum of 40 years instead of 20. Throw in 10 more on a conspiracy rap and let them rot.
Sam I Am

Indianapolis, IN

#77 Nov 22, 2012
Wow! The list gets longer.....

http://www.wthr.com/story/20158056/33-homes-t...

....but I'm not surprised. The city won't say it, but I will.....those homes were built with economy in mind which means minimum standards in material and construction techniques. Throw in the lack of craftsmanship and you've got a cracker box home.
jle76

Greenwood, IN

#78 Nov 22, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
Wow! The list gets longer.....
http://www.wthr.com/story/20158056/33-homes-t...
....but I'm not surprised. The city won't say it, but I will.....those homes were built with economy in mind which means minimum standards in material and construction techniques. Throw in the lack of craftsmanship and you've got a cracker box home.
Right. And now the people will be forever stuck with the ones "repaired". No one will ever buy a house with the damage fixed or not those have had. It's time for some arrests to be made.
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#80 Nov 23, 2012
Sam I Am wrote:
Wow! The list gets longer.....
http://www.wthr.com/story/20158056/33-homes-t...
....but I'm not surprised. The city won't say it, but I will.....those homes were built with economy in mind which means minimum standards in material and construction techniques. Throw in the lack of craftsmanship and you've got a cracker box home.
jle76 wrote:
<quoted text>Right. And now the people will be forever stuck with the ones "repaired". No one will ever buy a house with the damage fixed or not those have had. It's time for some arrests to be made.
The number of homes to be demolished is mind boggling.
I noticed in one of the pictures that "engineered" floor joists were used in these homes. That's a fancy name for wood chips that's swept off the saw mill floor and pressed together using highly flammable glue. I'm not surprised that several homes burnt to the ground.
And yes, jle, there will be a stigma attached to the homes that won't be torn down. Floors and stairs will squeak and creak. Windows will bind up while trying to raise and lower them. Doors won't shut properly. Vinyl siding will come off in a moderate wind.
Every home within a quarter mile of the explosion should have an independent analysis done. City inspectors aren't necessarily the best folks to rely on. Insurance people can be even worse.
Can't wait for the finger pointing to begin and hear the sound of jail cell doors being slammed shut. Losers.
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#81 Nov 23, 2012
peabody wrote:
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At least the ex husband will be off the hook for alimony and or child support with the mrs in prison.
I read an article that said the ex pays $1,000 a month in child support for one child. He must have a really good paying job.
jle76

Greenwood, IN

#82 Nov 23, 2012
Joe wrote:
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I read an article that said the ex pays $1,000 a month in child support for one child. He must have a really good paying job.
I hate to judge her mothering skills. But her daughter is 12 yrs old according to reports. And she lived with her mom and her criminal boyfriend?And his brother another criminal was around her? Who would expose a child to such people?
Joe

Indianapolis, IN

#83 Nov 23, 2012
jle76 wrote:
<quoted text>I hate to judge her mothering skills. But her daughter is 12 yrs old according to reports. And she lived with her mom and her criminal boyfriend?And his brother another criminal was around her? Who would expose a child to such people?
Mr. Conman may not have been forthcoming with his criminal past. A criminal, or ex criminal, whatever, doesn't spill the beans when he's trying to run a scam on an unsuspecting woman. The ex husband would have made some noise if the criminal past was known.

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