Holland: River most important asset to promote

Oct 31, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: 4029TV.com

Two candidates have been covering two major cities and a lot of rural Arkansas countryside in the Senate District 9 race.

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What is with the River and I-49 Promotion? Has the area began shipping tons of coal? Has Wal-Mart expressed an interest of shipping tonnage up and down the river? Even the Mighty Mississippi, a much deeper river has been curtailed by the drought this year and we think the Arkansas River can be viable economic vessel, for who? For What?
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Liberty13 wrote:
What is with the River and I-49 Promotion? Has the area began shipping tons of coal? Has Wal-Mart expressed an interest of shipping tonnage up and down the river? Even the Mighty Mississippi, a much deeper river has been curtailed by the drought this year and we think the Arkansas River can be viable economic vessel, for who? For What?
I am not sure who or what but I think that the guy I met @ the VB fall festival wanted me to vote for him so that he could finish what he was doing and that was um proposing a bill to make the Arkansas river deeper to let larger barges through and that would interest companies from other areas to develop and invest here. I might not be too interested in this proposal if it initially has to come out of my pocket.

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ladonnamadonna wrote:
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I am not sure who or what but I think that the guy I met @ the VB fall festival wanted me to vote for him so that he could finish what he was doing and that was um proposing a bill to make the Arkansas river deeper to let larger barges through and that would interest companies from other areas to develop and invest here. I might not be too interested in this proposal if it initially has to come out of my pocket.
Sad truth is, all of the spending does cost the common folks, even if the proposal isn't viable, or in the best interests of the common folks. Like the $2.1 million city directors approved to provide utilities to Fort Smith downtown riverfront. Benny Westphal and Richard Griffin own all the downtown riverfront, 60 acres+/- in one name or another. The $2.1 was taken from the water and sewer fund. This is the same fund residents pay their water and sewer rates into, which has had 3 rate increases in 4 years.
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Sad truth is, all of the spending does cost the common folks, even if the proposal isn't viable, or in the best interests of the common folks. Like the $2.1 million city directors approved to provide utilities to Fort Smith downtown riverfront. Benny Westphal and Richard Griffin own all the downtown riverfront, 60 acres+/- in one name or another. The $2.1 was taken from the water and sewer fund. This is the same fund residents pay their water and sewer rates into, which has had 3 rate increases in 4 years.
Do you honestly think gettting on a forum no reads and b!tching is gonna fix the problem? You must be a Republican?

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More of a Libertarian, but certainly no RINO,(Republican In Name Only). Do you honestly think getting on a forum and going by some bullshit name like “Mike” and accusing someone of bitching is going to fix a problem? I’m just asking some questions that many taxpayers in the area might be interested in knowing. After all, all this crony spending is at the expense of the taxpayers. Transparency baby, transparency.
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More of a Libertarian, but certainly no RINO,(Republican In Name Only). Do you honestly think getting on a forum and going by some bullshit name like “Mike” and accusing someone of bitching is going to fix a problem? I’m just asking some questions that many taxpayers in the area might be interested in knowing. After all, all this crony spending is at the expense of the taxpayers. Transparency baby, transparency.
Have you ever been around an ocean port such as Houston, New Orleans or others. When the river is channeled the port of Van Buren will give shippers the same opportunity to ship anywhere is the world. All of Wal Mart JB Hunt and other trucks that go to Houston each month will come to Van Buren. Grain, oil and other products coming down from as far away as Canada can load here. The heartland of this country will not have to pay for truck or rail shipment to the three coasts, they can come here.
Then you add in I-49 and the already used I-40 Fort Smith will be in the crosshairs of a shipping center. Research shows that anywhere two major intersections cross a population jumps to 800,000 min. So is the port important along with I-49? You bet it is, this will give the Fort Smith area a shot in the arm that it needs.
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Liberty13 wrote:
More of a Libertarian, but certainly no RINO,(Republican In Name Only). Do you honestly think getting on a forum and going by some bullshit name like “Mike” and accusing someone of bitching is going to fix a problem? I’m just asking some questions that many taxpayers in the area might be interested in knowing. After all, all this crony spending is at the expense of the taxpayers. Transparency baby, transparency.
You are just another of the people around here that sit on their arses and pontificate on how things should be wihout ever doing anything. Run your mouth and see what gets done.

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Liberty13 wrote:
More of a Libertarian, but certainly no RINO,(Republican In Name Only). Do you honestly think getting on a forum and going by some bullshit name like “Mike” and accusing someone of bitching is going to fix a problem? I’m just asking some questions that many taxpayers in the area might be interested in knowing. After all, all this crony spending is at the expense of the taxpayers. Transparency baby, transparency.
Who did you vote for in the presidential race a 9 days ago?

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Whistleblower,

I have never spent a huge amount of time around a large ocean port such as San Diego, nor have I spent much time around such gulf ports such as Houston or New Orleans.

But, don’t you think it is kinda unrealistic to actually believe we could see a continued deep channel river going to Canada. No doubt, I-49 will be a major artery from Canada to New Orleans and on to Houston, but true ocean ports such as San Diego, supported by major rails will continue to be major ports. The best lobbyists for I-49 is Wal-Mart and they will make it happen, regardless of all the hot air from local pundits

And “Mike” It would be good to know how many paychecks the taxpayers pay out every month to the different agencies and commissions to sit on their arses and pontificate. Our local government should focus on encouraging and supporting small business startups rather than expanding government services at the expense of private companies.

“Infragard”, I like your new profile pic, but 9 days ago, I voted for Romney/Ryan, in the hopes we could restore some fiscal discipline and reduce some of the crony spending.
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Whistleblower,
I have never spent a huge amount of time around a large ocean port such as San Diego, nor have I spent much time around such gulf ports such as Houston or New Orleans.
But, don’t you think it is kinda unrealistic to actually believe we could see a continued deep channel river going to Canada. No doubt, I-49 will be a major artery from Canada to New Orleans and on to Houston, but true ocean ports such as San Diego, supported by major rails will continue to be major ports. The best lobbyists for I-49 is Wal-Mart and they will make it happen, regardless of all the hot air from local pundits
And “Mike” It would be good to know how many paychecks the taxpayers pay out every month to the different agencies and commissions to sit on their arses and pontificate. Our local government should focus on encouraging and supporting small business startups rather than expanding government services at the expense of private companies.
“Infragard”, I like your new profile pic, but 9 days ago, I voted for Romney/Ryan, in the hopes we could restore some fiscal discipline and reduce some of the crony spending.
Whoa Skippy just where did I say anything about a channel to Canada. The dredging will stop here in Fort smith and Van Buren. The shippers will come here to load and offload. The other ports have no way to expand and the Panama Canal is being expanded to twice the size so that will increase traffic.
Check your shipping rates, motor freight is the most expensive followed by rail with the lowest (by far) is water. Maybe you should spend some time at a RITA meeting or maybe a Chamber meeting and learn how this could impact this area.

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Whoa Yourself "Skippy"! Don't really have a need to go to a RITA meeting and saw how the Fort Smith Chamber of Commerce, sat idly by as the city of Fort Smith forced "city only" trash pickup at the expense of private companies and competitive bidding for such. I was always under the impression the Chamber of Commerce was pro-business, not pro-government at the expense of private companies.

So Skippy, I just don't agree with your deeper river channel. I-49 is a doable deal and Wal-Mart is your best bet in getting it done, not those taking our tax dollars while they sit on their arses and pontificate to the common folks.
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Liberty13 wrote:
Whoa Yourself "Skippy"! Don't really have a need to go to a RITA meeting and saw how the Fort Smith Chamber of Commerce, sat idly by as the city of Fort Smith forced "city only" trash pickup at the expense of private companies and competitive bidding for such. I was always under the impression the Chamber of Commerce was pro-business, not pro-government at the expense of private companies.
So Skippy, I just don't agree with your deeper river channel. I-49 is a doable deal and Wal-Mart is your best bet in getting it done, not those taking our tax dollars while they sit on their arses and pontificate to the common folks.
Well I will be sure to pass that along because I am sure you have put more research into the subject than the corp of engineers, trade experts, shipping consultants. When they find out you think it is a bad idea they will bring the project to a halt.
And yes we could go after a corporation to pay for I-49 since they will be the only one to use it. Did I mentio it will connect Canada and New Orleans. Did you see a corp build I-40?
Great idea!
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Liberty 13 is a complete moron. He admits in his own post (post #11) "Don't really have a need to go to a RITA meeting." In this statement he acknowledges his ignorance on the subject and his intent to remain ignorant on the subject. Despite his self acknowledged ignorance on the subject he still feels he can offer a worthwhile opinion. What a moron!

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"Whistleblower",
thanks for being willing to pass on my thoughts and hopefully putting a stop to the foolishness for the major port system on the Arkansas River. Your help may even halt those who are sitting on their arses and pontificating to the working class how doable their pipe dreams are, therefore, saving the taxpayers a bunch of crony money.

I find your statement,“we could go after a corporation to pay for I-49, since they will be the only one to use it”, quite disturbing. I knew we passed the medical marijuana issue, but sounds like you got in the stash a little early. Isn’t it kinda well known that taxpayers pay for roads and highway construction? However, I did say Wal-Mart is the best lobbyist for I-49 and would be the same for deep channel port, if it was needed.

"What",
You keep going to those RITA meetings and hopefully you can retire with a full pension.

Neither of you guys mentioned anything about how our Chamber of Commerce sat idly by, while the city forced “city only” trash pickup and forced the private companies out. Is the Chamber supportive of private sector growth or public sector growth?
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Liberty13, can you be any more clueless about reality. Do you intend to be so ignorant. FYI: the medical marijuana issue failed in Arkansas. It did NOT pass. What a moron.
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"Whistleblower",
thanks for being willing to pass on my thoughts and hopefully putting a stop to the foolishness for the major port system on the Arkansas River. Your help may even halt those who are sitting on their arses and pontificating to the working class how doable their pipe dreams are, therefore, saving the taxpayers a bunch of crony money.
I find your statement,“we could go after a corporation to pay for I-49, since they will be the only one to use it”, quite disturbing. I knew we passed the medical marijuana issue, but sounds like you got in the stash a little early. Isn’t it kinda well known that taxpayers pay for roads and highway construction? However, I did say Wal-Mart is the best lobbyist for I-49 and would be the same for deep channel port, if it was needed.
"What",
You keep going to those RITA meetings and hopefully you can retire with a full pension.
Neither of you guys mentioned anything about how our Chamber of Commerce sat idly by, while the city forced “city only” trash pickup and forced the private companies out. Is the Chamber supportive of private sector growth or public sector growth?
Which do read the most Lenin or Marx.
For someone that has no knowledge of the subject you sure don't mind showing your ignorance. Plus you are kind of hung up on a dead trash issue aren't you.

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Tate,
I believe in free markets, you guys believe the local government should take over all private business and redistribute to the circle of cronies.

I believe you dudes are the ones pushing the Lenin and Marxist systems and the redistribution of wealth to the crony network.

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Tate,
I believe in free markets, you guys believe the local government should take over all private business and redistribute to the circle of cronies.
I believe you dudes are the ones pushing the Lenin and Marxist systems and the redistribution of wealth to the crony network.
Thnk you for your beliefs but I believe you should educate yourself before you make statements that shows how uninformed you are.
Just where in my posts did you did you come with the idea that local govt should take over private business. You must some stake in the garbage business because you have a burr under your saddle over that.
My one and only point is that this area could only benefit from I 49 and the deep water port. I could care less who picks up the trash as long as they do a good job.

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Tate,
You have trouble with sentence structure.

My only point, again, is Wal-Mart will make I-49 happen. We don't need to fool the taxpayers by blowing smoke and mirrors and paying hefty salaries and pensions to those who feel like taking the ride on Wal-Mart's back.

Trash is a basic service and shouldn't be any more than basic service.

So why is Fort Smith Sanitation Administration costs over $720,000 a year, when the administration costs for Jonesboro Sanitation is only $250,000? I guess you don't care about that either. Just like taxpayers picking up the $800,000 for Second Street Live,$2.1 million for utilities going to the riverfront when the only two people who own the downtown river front is Benny Westphal and Richard Griffin for a total of 60 acres+/-, Phil White's Ferris wheel the Convention Center losses of between $700,000-$1,300,000 per year, the $150,000 Lend A Hand hasn't paid on in 10 years, the $253,000 water trueup. None of that means a thing to you.

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Sorry Liberty13, no one takes you serious. You post about a topic that you openly admit in post #11 you know nothing about and that you plan to stay ignorant on. You then post in post #14 that Arkansas passed the medical marijuana issue when in fact Arkansas defeated the issue. What a moron!

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