Lesser Known Baldwin Brother to Headline Ex-Gay Conference

Oct 18, 2013 Full story: EDGE 326

Right Wing Watch reports that actor Stephen Baldwin, brother of actor and liberal activist Alec Baldwin, will be a featured speaker at an ex-gay conference later this month.

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Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#83 Oct 22, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
When will people like you realize that marriage is NOT ABOUT CHILDREN?
You believe that if it makes you feel better. Marriage is all about children and family. It isn't for you because YOU and YOUR PARTNER CAN'T CREATE A FAMILY.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#84 Oct 22, 2013
Wondering wrote:
You believe that if it makes you feel better. Marriage is all about children and family. It isn't for you because YOU and YOUR PARTNER CAN'T CREATE A FAMILY.
Of course we can. When I marry my partner, we'll be a family of two.

If we want a bigger family than just 2, we can adopt or foster. Gay people can do all of that. Some gay people had a child with someone of the opposite sex in the past, and is now raising that child in a family with their partner.

Do you not LOOK at the real world BEFORE you make these false assertions?

No children are required in marriage. No children are present when the couple marries. No children put their names on the marriage license. If a straight, heterosexual couple walks up to their justice of the peace and blatantly announce that they have no intention of EVER having children, they even both just had their tubes tied earlier that week, they STILL can get married.

Children may HAPPEN (and those children will be better off being raised by stable, married people than by single people who can walk way at any time), but in NO American state, in NO marriage, are children a pre-requisite of marriage. Even the POSSIBILITY of children is not a pre-requisite of marriage. Even just the INTENT of having children is not required. Marriage is for the COUPLE. THEY are the only people required to be present at the beginning, middle, or end of a marriage. EVER.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#85 Oct 22, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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You believe that if it makes you feel better. Marriage is all about children and family. It isn't for you because YOU and YOUR PARTNER CAN'T CREATE A FAMILY.
Except of course that we HAVE created a family, just like millions of other couples.

Which is why we're married, just like millions of other couples.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#86 Oct 22, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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If a woman wants to marry a man and another woman wants to marry the same man and all three agree to it where is the harm?
My grandfather was a Mormon and I had two grandmothers and I can tell you it was wonderful growing up with lots of relatives like that. Especially at holidays, like Thanksgiving, one Grandma making turkey the other making ham. Most of the kids I knew thought I was lucky and were even jealous.
Wanting to control the peaceful activities of other consenting adults is what harms women, children and society.
I foresee the next logical step (quite a ways) down the line to be what I call the Corporate Family, in which the children "belong" to the corporate family partnership. Adults may marry-in or divorce-out, but the kids remain with the Family. Such an arrangement would be far more secure for the kids than even the current "nuclear family", sharing more in common with the multi-generational/extended family households of past centuries.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#87 Oct 22, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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They all can or could. No gay couple can. Traditional marriage often produces family and is the optimal setting for the upbringing of children all else being equal. For this reason it is in the government's interest. Gay marriage offers nothing to the government.
my neighbors are in their early 60's. Both lost their spouses to cancer within months of each other. They slightly knew each other through other friends. They ended up dating and finally marrying. According to YOUR ""logic"", ahem,cough cough, since she is way past menopause NO way should they have ever been allowed to marry, since they cannot produce children, I mean since all you consider marriage is to provide baby factories.

You remind me of Hitler and his "Lebensborn" program. He wanted women to pump out as many children as possible. That is all you think marriage is about. How romantic.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#88 Oct 23, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
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Of course we can. When I marry my partner, we'll be a family of two.
No, you'll be a married couple. A sterile by choice married couple.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#89 Oct 23, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Except of course that we HAVE created a family,
No you haven't. Someone outside of your relationship did it for you. You and your partner can't create a family. All the courts in the country can't help you with that one.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#91 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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No you haven't. Someone outside of your relationship did it for you. You and your partner can't create a family. All the courts in the country can't help you with that one.
Progeny create lineage, dynasty and posterity, not "Family".

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#92 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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No, you'll be a married couple. A sterile by choice married couple.
Just like my hetero neighbors. Sterile by choice married couple, unless she is like Sarah and will give Abraham a child at age 90 or so.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#93 Oct 23, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Just like my hetero neighbors. Sterile by choice married couple, unless she is like Sarah and will give Abraham a child at age 90 or so.
Deciding not to have children isn't sterility by choice.
The possibility existed for them, it doesn't for you.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#94 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
No you haven't. Someone outside of your relationship did it for you. You and your partner can't create a family. All the courts in the country can't help you with that one.
So unless kids are biologically related to both parents then they're not a family?

Really??

So when my Aunt & Uncle adopted two kids- BY CHOICE- they aren't a family?

Really??

MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of families across the country disagree with you.

But then you're an admitted anti-gay bigot, so it's not surprising you're also bigoted against many other types of families as well.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#95 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you'll be a married couple. A sterile by choice married couple.
A married couple by definition IS a family.

Of course since you're an admitted anti-gay bigot, it's not surprising you're bigoted against other families just because they don't look like your particular sick twisted version.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#96 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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I'll explain it for you, dickbreath. It starts as a traditional marriage. Children are born. Then the husband or the wife decides they prefer someone of the same sex. The result is a devastated spouse and a broken family. Gotta love those gays.
How is that the fault of gay marriage, nitwit?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#97 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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Deciding not to have children isn't sterility by choice.
The possibility existed for them, it doesn't for you.
Neither my husband nor I are sterile, by choice or otherwise.

But since you're an admitted anti-gay bigot, it's no suprising you're bigoted against the MILLIONS of sterile men & women- both gay & straight who are sterile- by choice or otherwise.

Once a bigot, always a bigot.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#98 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
No you haven't. Someone outside of your relationship did it for you. You and your partner can't create a family. All the courts in the country can't help you with that one.
The courts disagree with you, dumbass. Or do you really think the court believes adoption does NOT create a family?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#99 Oct 23, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>my neighbors are in their early 60's. Both lost their spouses to cancer within months of each other. They slightly knew each other through other friends. They ended up dating and finally marrying. According to YOUR ""logic"", ahem,cough cough, since she is way past menopause NO way should they have ever been allowed to marry, since they cannot produce children, I mean since all you consider marriage is to provide baby factories.
You remind me of Hitler and his "Lebensborn" program. He wanted women to pump out as many children as possible. That is all you think marriage is about. How romantic.
Sounds very catholic to me.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#100 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe that if it makes you feel better. Marriage is all about children and family. It isn't for you because YOU and YOUR PARTNER CAN'T CREATE A FAMILY.
...and yet marriage has been legal for gay couples for TEN YEARS.

Gee..... 10 YEARS, and you still can't figure it out? Ever hear of adoption, shit-for-brains? Adoption creates families.... LEGAL families... just like yours.... no difference to the Court or the State. The only difference is in your head, because you refuse to accept reality.
Quite Right

Alexandria, VA

#101 Oct 23, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>...and yet marriage has been legal for gay couples for TEN YEARS.

Gee..... 10 YEARS, and you still can't figure it out? Ever hear of adoption, shit-for-brains? Adoption creates families.... LEGAL families... just like yours.... no difference to the Court or the State. The only difference is in your head, because you refuse to accept reality.
Your queer mental illness is showing, drag queen fagg@t

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#102 Oct 23, 2013
Wondering wrote:
No you haven't. Someone outside of your relationship did it for you. You and your partner can't create a family. All the courts in the country can't help you with that one.
Then why did the Mass SUPREME JUDICIAL COURT cite as one of its reasons to mandate same-sex marriage was the fact that same-sex FAMILIES were raising CHILDREN often ADOPTED through the COURTS? Goodridge 2003.
chomikuj

Corryton, TN

#103 Oct 23, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Because he claims to be an "ex-gay"?.....
That's right, there's a lot of ex-gays around. There is also a lot of ex-alcoholics and ex-drug addicts.

You don't have to stay messed up your whole life. There is hope.

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