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Macon County Commissioners violate law with blatant Christian prayer

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Joseph Sanderson

Andrews, NC

#1 Dec 30, 2011
The Macon County Commissioners still include a blatant Christian prayer at the beginning of their meetings even after being warned that it is illegal by ACLU and widespread news media.

If you were at the December 13, 2011, meeting you sat through new chairman Kevin Corbin pray a Christian prayer invoking "Father" and "God" and "Lord" and thanking "Him" for allowing Macon County to "serve" a Christian deity.

The Commissioners quit doing this for a while when the newspapers got on their case, but now this all white male patriarch board has gone right back to their illegal prayer.

Wake up, citizens of Macon County! Our Constitution says we will have a country free from a government sponsored religion, that all people are free to worship as they please as individuals but that we will not be subjected to a government sponsored religion of any kind.

This kind of thing is highly offensive and disturbing to those citizens who practice other kinds of religions and do not believe that one particular religion should be shoved down our throats by our elected officials.
slowpoke

Hayesville, NC

#2 Dec 30, 2011
Joseph Sanderson wrote:
The Macon County Commissioners still include a blatant Christian prayer at the beginning of their meetings even after being warned that it is illegal by ACLU and widespread news media.
If you were at the December 13, 2011, meeting you sat through new chairman Kevin Corbin pray a Christian prayer invoking "Father" and "God" and "Lord" and thanking "Him" for allowing Macon County to "serve" a Christian deity.
The Commissioners quit doing this for a while when the newspapers got on their case, but now this all white male patriarch board has gone right back to their illegal prayer.
Wake up, citizens of Macon County! Our Constitution says we will have a country free from a government sponsored religion, that all people are free to worship as they please as individuals but that we will not be subjected to a government sponsored religion of any kind.
This kind of thing is highly offensive and disturbing to those citizens who practice other kinds of religions and do not believe that one particular religion should be shoved down our throats by our elected officials.
Go to Iran and see if you can demand from them the right to oppose their religion....See where that gets you..By the way when did you get up here from Florida? and when are you going back?
Joseph Sanderson

Andrews, NC

#3 Dec 30, 2011
Slowpoke, you're kidding, right?

Surely you know we do not have a government-mandated religion in the USA or Macon County?

Surely you do not think we should have a government-mandated religion like in Iran or England or North Korea or anywhere else in the world where the head of state is also head of church....... or do you?
chairmaker

Hayesville, NC

#4 Dec 30, 2011
Joseph Sanderson wrote:
Slowpoke, you're kidding, right?
Surely you know we do not have a government-mandated religion in the USA or Macon County?
Surely you do not think we should have a government-mandated religion like in Iran or England or North Korea or anywhere else in the world where the head of state is also head of church....... or do you?
You are so right. God is everywhere and you can pray anywhere. We do not need the government specifying to which God we pray.
slowpoke

Hayesville, NC

#5 Dec 30, 2011
Joseph Sanderson wrote:
Slowpoke, you're kidding, right?
Surely you know we do not have a government-mandated religion in the USA or Macon County?
Surely you do not think we should have a government-mandated religion like in Iran or England or North Korea or anywhere else in the world where the head of state is also head of church....... or do you?
Since when does asking a prayer before a meeting,football game etc, is mandating any religion. If it hurts for you to listen then don't listen. It's that simple.
chairmaker

Hayesville, NC

#6 Dec 30, 2011
slowpoke wrote:
<quoted text>Since when does asking a prayer before a meeting,football game etc, is mandating any religion. If it hurts for you to listen then don't listen. It's that simple.
As I said God is everywhere and you can pray anywhere. In fact it is illegal to prevent anyone from praying. It is just when politicians are involved that concerns me. Usually when a politician is proclaiming his morality or is against something that may be sinful it tells me he has something he is trying to hide.
Joseph Sanderson

Andrews, NC

#7 Dec 30, 2011
Slowpoke, the county commissioners are supposed to represent EVERYBODY in the county, not just the one religion they practice. That goes for schools and all other public bodies that ALL TAXPAYERS pay for.

And one major thing EVERYBODY pays for is this----- for our government to be free of any one particular religion. The job of the county commissioners is to tend to CIVIC functions, not religious aspects of our lives.

County commissioners are not supposed to use their public platforms to espouse any one religious belief, and a lot of Maconians do not want to have them praying and preaching during a public meeting with thanks to their Christian Father/Lord/Jesus/Christ/God for allowing Macon County to "serve" their chosen deity that came from the Middle East, from the Iraq desert no less.

You say you don't want people to live here from Florida or who have religious beliefs different from yours, so who exactly do you want to live here and to be in charge of making decisions about you--------those white male Christians who think their God finds them as chosen and superior to everybody else as they so think of themselves?

We're talking administration of county government here, not the narrow-minded religious beliefs of the Holly Springs Baptist Church which does not represent but a small proportion of Macon County. Do you really think 35,000 citizens of Macon County really practice their kind of religion?

Get a grip, Slowpoke! Think a little instead of spouting sheep-like and dangerous stereotypes.
Tony Ledford

Andrews, NC

#8 Dec 30, 2011
slowpoke wrote:
<quoted text>Since when does asking a prayer before a meeting,football game etc, is mandating any religion. If it hurts for you to listen then don't listen. It's that simple.
No it ain't that simple and if you don't get what the problem is and don't realize that what they are doing is unconstitutional, then you are a HATER of just about everybody and a bully, and its hopeless that anybody would try to educate you as to what are individual citizen rights and freedoms, not one religion pushed on us by our elected officials. A violent and abusive religion, a hate filled religion that excludes everyone but a chosen few and their servants.

Your the kind of person the religious freaks use and abuse in Macon County. Maybe its different over there in Hayesville though. Maybe your elected officials are more enlightened and democratic than ours.
Desert Storm Vet

Andrews, NC

#9 Dec 30, 2011
LOL! Hayesville Slowpoke sounds like it is in Iraq and Afghanistan and those other middle eastern countries, wanting a government religion that can change with every dictator. Would you really want Obama to be head of your religion, or Nixon or Clinton or Reagan or any other politician? Or any of the slugs that have been elected in your county through the years to pray at meetings for their religion? Or any of the ones running now for president? As for local, Kevin Corbin is not even an elected commissioners, he was appointed by the Tea Party Republicans.
chairmaker

Hayesville, NC

#10 Dec 30, 2011
Desert Storm Vet wrote:
LOL! Hayesville Slowpoke sounds like it is in Iraq and Afghanistan and those other middle eastern countries, wanting a government religion that can change with every dictator. Would you really want Obama to be head of your religion, or Nixon or Clinton or Reagan or any other politician? Or any of the slugs that have been elected in your county through the years to pray at meetings for their religion? Or any of the ones running now for president? As for local, Kevin Corbin is not even an elected commissioners, he was appointed by the Tea Party Republicans.
Vet you said it forcefully, and if somebody could establish a religion I would want Clinton to estabish mine, so you see its best left to the individual and not self appointed keepers of morality.
BudF

United States

#11 Dec 30, 2011
You don't know much about our founding fathers or the constitution. It was never intended to keep
Christians out of government but to keep government out of the church. Have you studied our early history? Sure, government does not have a right to dictate religion neither does it have a right to say "you can't pray in a government bldg, school" or whereever. If you are a Buddist, etc, I have no problem with you praying to Buddah (don't think he will hear you).Why are you so afraid of Christianity? Does it scare you? What evil influence has Christianity had on you? There are those who are Christians in name only, but there are also true Christians out there. Now that I know that your commisioners are praying, I may move to Franklin.
Barney Feife

Franklin, NC

#12 Dec 30, 2011
Everyone should go back to worhiping the real jesus, "Mithra", who was jesus over 600 years before those ol' jews copied his life and activities in writing the christian version.. Google Mithra and Mithraism and read about him!
chairmaker

Hayesville, NC

#13 Dec 30, 2011
BudF wrote:
You don't know much about our founding fathers or the constitution. It was never intended to keep
Christians out of government but to keep government out of the church. Have you studied our early history? Sure, government does not have a right to dictate religion neither does it have a right to say "you can't pray in a government bldg, school" or whereever. If you are a Buddist, etc, I have no problem with you praying to Buddah (don't think he will hear you).Why are you so afraid of Christianity? Does it scare you? What evil influence has Christianity had on you? There are those who are Christians in name only, but there are also true Christians out there. Now that I know that your commisioners are praying, I may move to Franklin.
You can pray in a government building.
Desert Storm Vet

Andrews, NC

#14 Dec 30, 2011
BudF, your statements are incredibly wrong. Separation of church and state means just that. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Our government is not supposed to be advocating any one religion, but that is clearly what our commissioners are doing.......and in their arrogance they are proud of their violation of the law of our land. They have publicly said so the the newspapers in this region.

If they want to pray as a private person they can do so ON THEIR OWN TIME, but they cannot legally put it on the agenda of a public government meeting and pray to THEIR deity while everyone else has to spend minutes of their lives listening to this illegal advocacy of a specific religion in a governmental meeting.

Yes, I am afraid of Christianity because so many Christians are missionary evangelical BULLIES and idiotic zealots who force themselves on others and try to make their religion the law of the land. I don't see any other religions doing that in this country or county, at least not to extent that the Christians do, especially the Southern Baptists! Yes, they are scary and people should be afraid of them.
Desert Storm Vet

Andrews, NC

#15 Dec 30, 2011
Chairmaker, students can pray in public school individually, but the teacher or principal cannot impose it on the whole class.

Same thing in any government building in the country.

A judge can have his or her own private beliefs, they they cannot impose their religious beliefs on the defendants in their courts. They have to abide by the law of the land, not their religious dogma.

Would you like to be living in England and looking forward to Prince Charles being head of the church and state? And since the Southern Baptists are big on the King James version of their bible, how many of you are aware that Queen Elizabeth owns the copyright to it, and then Prince Charles will own it next. Real warm and fuzzy and comforting isn't it?
Norma

Sapphire, NC

#16 Dec 31, 2011
Desert Storm Vet wrote:
BudF, your statements are incredibly wrong. Separation of church and state means just that. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
Our government is not supposed to be advocating any one religion, but that is clearly what our commissioners are doing.......and in their arrogance they are proud of their violation of the law of our land. They have publicly said so the the newspapers in this region.
If they want to pray as a private person they can do so ON THEIR OWN TIME, but they cannot legally put it on the agenda of a public government meeting and pray to THEIR deity while everyone else has to spend minutes of their lives listening to this illegal advocacy of a specific religion in a governmental meeting.
Yes, I am afraid of Christianity because so many Christians are missionary evangelical BULLIES and idiotic zealots who force themselves on others and try to make their religion the law of the land. I don't see any other religions doing that in this country or county, at least not to extent that the Christians do, especially the Southern Baptists! Yes, they are scary and people should be afraid of them.
Here! Here! It is great to see that some others feel like I do! I am tired of getting bullied by these people.
Norma Lea

Sapphire, NC

#17 Dec 31, 2011
Tony Ledford wrote:
<quoted text>
No it ain't that simple and if you don't get what the problem is and don't realize that what they are doing is unconstitutional, then you are a HATER of just about everybody and a bully, and its hopeless that anybody would try to educate you as to what are individual citizen rights and freedoms, not one religion pushed on us by our elected officials. A violent and abusive religion, a hate filled religion that excludes everyone but a chosen few and their servants.
Your the kind of person the religious freaks use and abuse in Macon County. Maybe its different over there in Hayesville though. Maybe your elected officials are more enlightened and democratic than ours.
No it is not different over here in Clay County! That is why slowpoke talks like he does! The sheriff's office is a prime example. Pretty soon we will be having tent revivals in the courthouse parking lot! Lets get one more "preacher" added to the payroll! They were holding group prayer for the officers at the jail before the morning shift started, but it was stated by the preacher who is in charge that he wouldn't hold it against you if you didn't participate! Yah, like that's gonna happen! So much for religion staying out of goverment! I really don't want someone making that decision for me, do you?
Joseph Sanderson

Andrews, NC

#18 Dec 31, 2011
The Christian bullies today are no different from the Christians of our "founding father" days who conducted the Salem witch trials and hanged, burned, and stoned to death dozens of people, or the KKK and Nazis and Eric Rudolph who killed people in this century in the name of ethnic cleansing.......getting rid of anyone who is a threat to the controllers' beliefs and power.

In Macon County the entire economic structure is in the control of about a dozen religious zealots and their munchkins who do their dirty work for them. They don't stone people to death with stones any more, but they do it economically and psychologically by denying jobs, pushing people out of jobs, throwing bones to the ones kowtow to them and preach their gospel for them, reward and punishment, etc.

It's no wonder that the best of our young people, the ones who can think for themselves, leave here as soon as they get out of high school. Only the children of the religious zealots stay, the next generation of little munchkins who know they will be given a job to step into or who are assured they will inherit the power and control that their daddies give to them, big fish in the little cesspool, and so it goes on for another generation, while the county sinks deeper and deeper into economic and psychological depression.

What the little munchkin bullies (like BudF above) are saying is that "unless you subject yourself to the big bullies, we will crush you into submission, we'll beat you over the head with our religious fervor, we'll make you want to kowtow to the power structure, we'll make you want to profess love for the county commissioners because they are white gods who have power over you, and when they spend your tax money for their private purposes, you must thank them for doing so."

It really is sick how so many people have just given up and caved into the bullies. BudF and Slowpoke are to be pitied for falling down on their faces and letting themselves be beaten into submission by their religious masters. They don't seem to have any self-respect left, just spouting the verbiage of their masters.
Joseph Sanderson

Andrews, NC

#19 Dec 31, 2011
slowpoke wrote:
<quoted text>Go to Iran and see if you can demand from them the right to oppose their religion....See where that gets you..By the way when did you get up here from Florida? and when are you going back?
Slowpoke, that's a perfect example of exclusion, not accepting anyone who does not tow the party line, carry the water for the local power structure, shine their shoes for them. Send the Floridians back to Florida, you say. Anyone who does not kiss the feet of the elected officials should be run out of town. That's sick and depraved thinking, Slowpoke.

By the way, I am not from Florida. My family has lived here for five generations, and we have seen a good county deteriorate into a cesspool largely because of the mixing of fundamentalist religion and county government, the LACK OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE that has resulted in the church controlling the local government. There used to be churches all over the county that tended to the spiritual lives of the citizens in a good way. Now we just have a few power-hungry mega-type churches that control everything in government like the old cotton mill towns downstate used to operate.

There's no middle class here anymore, just the small top tier and their servile munckins, and then the other 30,000 people in the county who serve only to keep paying taxes to support the top tier.
Desert Storm Vet

Andrews, NC

#20 Dec 31, 2011
LOL for the Macon sheriff, sending out religious messages during the Christmas holidays which is nothing more than campaigning at taxpayer expense.

That "shop for a cop" stuff is just one big showy political campaign. If it was really heartfelt they wouldn't be making sure the Franklin Press is standing there with their cameras focused on them.

What a hoot! The real givers are the people who you never see strutting their "goodness" in the newspapers. Oooo, ooooo, aaaahhhh, aaaahhhh, see how good I am, you sheep, and vote for me in the next election!

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