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Since: Mar 13

Franklin, NC

#43 Apr 4, 2013
Bob,

All of these people and places have been discussed in the top 10 or so threads on this forum. I am adding to this discussion in identifying these people and places. Too specific?

What is most sad is I am the only person who recognizes Drake's impact. Yes, I decide to open my eyes in the morning and observe. I have no incentive to endorse the Drake enterprise. He is a religious nut -- no question.

So you are now arguing Macon Co. was once a leader but is now falling behind our WNC counterparts. So Bob, what is your argument? Is it that Drake is the cause of this? Are you arguing this fact in general ( which is debatable to say the least)? Are you blaming this entirely on our county and town leadership? I am confused. With every reply, you guys change your thesis.

I do maintain that Macon Co. is and always has been in stronger footing than our western counterparts. Ask Graham or Swain Co. if they would take a Drake enterprise. Has any other county received a Super Wal-Mart lately?

Do you support the coming indoor firing range?

Can't wait to hear from you guys.
Bob Rogers

Franklin, NC

#44 Apr 4, 2013
I am Bob Rogers only, not "you guys".

Drake is not the cause of Macon County's demise and not its savior.

The construction overbuild was one cause of the county's demise, and the town and county putting all its eggs in the tourism basket is another. The third cause is that Franklin tried to keep its focus on main street while the surrounding counties were focused on developing their outlying areas which is why they got the big box stores and restaurants.

I have no strong opinion about Drake's businesses because I do not think they have the same impact on the county as you do-either positive or negative.

Comparing Macon to Graham and Swain is not the issue for many reasons, size, population, distance from hospitals. Comparing Macon to Jackson, Haywood, and Rabun is more appropriate and Macon has fallen behind all of them.

Even with Franklin's downsized Wal Mart, people here still drive to Clayton and Sylva to go to their Super Wal Marts and other big box stores, and better restaurants.

I don't have an opinion one way or another about whether Franklin should have a firing range. Do you? It will add to Franklin's gun nut reputation which a lot of young rednecks and white supremacists here seem to like but older people do not.
local

Franklin, NC

#45 Apr 5, 2013
I have to agree with Bob in regards to the economic situation in Macon County.

The focus on tourism and building second and third homes for rich tourists has had a lot to do with Macon County's problems. Our young people, the smart ones anyway, have to move away in order to find decent paying jobs or pursue careers.

And, of course, these people who have moved into Macon County complain about low cost housing (think about the transplants who didn't even want the possibility that manufactured homes would be allowed to be built on Pauline Ave). What else can the people who are working in low paying tourist-related jobs afford? Sure, the tourist "economy" brings in money, but the ones who make the most money on it are those who own businesses that cater to tourism. Hotels, Restaurants, fake Ruby Mines, and the Smoky Mountain Center for the Performing Arts bring in cash for their owners, but not the peons who work there for wages at or slightly above minimum wage.

I am one of those people who drive to Sylva rather than visit the new Walmart, which is the worst one I have ever shopped at; it is so bad that it is worse than the local Kmart.

As far as the firing range goes, we wouldn't need one if retards wouldn't get scared and call 911 every time we tried target shooting in own backyard.
Bob Rogers

Franklin, NC

#46 Apr 5, 2013
As for bringing in property taxes, the expensive homes and property in the Highlands area is our cash cow.

Regarding tourists, we get only the cheap ones now, the ones who complain because our mountains are not as pristine as they used to be.

Locals here to Clayton for shopping and gas.

The Smoky Mountain Center would be hurting if they did not get tourist board money to advertise in Atlanta to bring in a big name once in a while. Those gospel quartets are a dime a dozen and could not pay for themselves.
Goosey Goosey

Franklin, NC

#47 Apr 5, 2013
So who are you hearing might run for Franklin mayor, aldermen, county commissioner?

Since: Mar 13

Sylva, NC

#48 Apr 5, 2013
Bob Rogers wrote:
As for bringing in property taxes, the expensive homes and property in the Highlands area is our cash cow.
Regarding tourists, we get only the cheap ones now, the ones who complain because our mountains are not as pristine as they used to be.
Locals here to Clayton for shopping and gas.
The Smoky Mountain Center would be hurting if they did not get tourist board money to advertise in Atlanta to bring in a big name once in a while. Those gospel quartets are a dime a dozen and could not pay for themselves.
Bob,

I'm disappointed in you. You come on behalf of the forum, tell me I have no facts, no ideas, only offering blind "cheerleading" for Drake. You come to me as if you share the same sentiments with the forum. I defend Drake and you reply by back peddle, conceding Drake does have a productive role in our economy.

Then you spin to this side argument, maintaining Macon Co. is in ruins, far behind specifically Clayton, Jackson, and Haywood Co.'s. My point is, this argument has veered far from my thesis which is Drake basically saves our ass.

What bothers me with the posts above is that it exudes this sense of laziness and whining. I have a great degree from a great school, but I don't blame our town and county officials for not offering me an economy that has proper jobs. Tell your people to better themselves; go get more education, get skills.

As for the 'locals" not finding this new super wal-mart sufficient. Well, that is their problem. This wal-mart is much like thousands of others in America, and it works for them. I am born and raised here and I do not know of anyone who travels to Clayton to shop. This is laughable. If someone chooses Clayton or Sylva to shop or eat, it is out of personal preference, not selection. But my point is, you guys frame your "bad economy " argument on knowing too many people who choose other vendors over our own. I find this foundation shaky at best.

What our economy needs is a real-estate revival -- plain and simple. This is the foundation that has built our current set of products and services. This may or may not happen. But, don't complain about Drake or our Decision makers that manufacturers aren't banging down our doors to set up shop here. They aren't doing that anywhere. Drake offers approx 300 jobs that are among the best paying jobs in this town. "He sucks" hahaha.....

As for Home Depot, they demanded a set of incentives that would far out-strip the benefits they could provide us in marginally lower prices. I am sorry to bear news that doesn't coincide with one of this forum's favorite conspiracy theories.

Put all this complaining in proper context.

Since: Mar 13

Sylva, NC

#49 Apr 5, 2013
Bob Rogers wrote:
I am Bob Rogers only, not "you guys".
Drake is not the cause of Macon County's demise and not its savior.
The construction overbuild was one cause of the county's demise, and the town and county putting all its eggs in the tourism basket is another. The third cause is that Franklin tried to keep its focus on main street while the surrounding counties were focused on developing their outlying areas which is why they got the big box stores and restaurants.
I have no strong opinion about Drake's businesses because I do not think they have the same impact on the county as you do-either positive or negative.
Comparing Macon to Graham and Swain is not the issue for many reasons, size, population, distance from hospitals. Comparing Macon to Jackson, Haywood, and Rabun is more appropriate and Macon has fallen behind all of them.
Even with Franklin's downsized Wal Mart, people here still drive to Clayton and Sylva to go to their Super Wal Marts and other big box stores, and better restaurants.
I don't have an opinion one way or another about whether Franklin should have a firing range. Do you? It will add to Franklin's gun nut reputation which a lot of young rednecks and white supremacists here seem to like but older people do not.
One more thing,

So Macon Co. is without older folks who are gun crazy and racist? Wow...new one on me. From whom do you think the younger kids get the beliefs from? MTV? NA.....
Goosey Goosey

Franklin, NC

#50 Apr 5, 2013
RickyRuby10, you really think people in Macon don't go to Jackson and Rabun to shop? You are either clueless and need to get out more into the county and learn about real people or get off your Drake marketing high horse and pay attention to the rest of the county.

You think Bob ??? speaks for this forum. You really are either clueless or trying to be manipulative. Either way, it ain't working!

You are obviously a Drakette and your Drake marketing strategy is simplistic and way off base. Remember that local people here remember the whole history of the county and they know the economy.

Since: Mar 13

Sylva, NC

#51 Apr 6, 2013
Goosey Goose,

If you will take more than 2 minutes in reading my argument you will find that I do not deny that Macon Co. folks at times travel to shop. Instead, you will find that I find the claimMacon Co. folks usually travel to Clayton to shop suspect. I also find the insistence of this occurrence poor support for the argument that Macon Co.'s economy sucks (only compared to Rabun,Jackson,Haywood).

I travel to Asheville or the Mall of Georgia to get all my clothes, electronics, and finer goods. Trust me Goose, I get out plenty.

Phil is far too smart to employ a topix.com marketer to spread his message. As I have said before, ask another town's mayor if they would take a Phil Drake. Our Mayor doesn't agree with Phil's personal opinions but has openly stated that Drake saves our ass. It's all part of keeping reason and temperance involved in our daily conscience Goosey.

Most people in this county don't know basic economics. In fact, it troubles me how ignorant so many people in this region are. Too many moan and complain about tax, debt, monetary, and trade issues when they do not know the difference between the Federal Reserve and the Hot Spot. The same people who vote republican when it is against their best interests. The same people who believe Fox news is Fair and Balanced.
Gordon M

Robbinsville, NC

#52 May 30, 2013
So who will be running for local government offices in the upcoming election? Any names out there so far? Or will apathy prevail again?
martel

Dacula, GA

#53 May 31, 2013
Gordon M wrote:
So who will be running for local government offices in the upcoming election? Any names out there so far? Or will apathy prevail again?
you should throw your hat in the ring .
Gordon M

Robbinsville, NC

#54 May 31, 2013
martel wrote:
<quoted text> you should throw your hat in the ring .
I am not part of the local power structure and would thus be wasting my time.
Gordon M

Robbinsville, NC

#55 May 31, 2013
martel wrote:
<quoted text> you should throw your hat in the ring .
Martel, who are some of the locals you would encourage to run for both mayor and aldermen? We do need some intelligent leadership, but the candidates, of course, must not be too inclusive of everyone. They must go with the conservative flow and not be TOO intelligent.
martel

Tucker, GA

#56 May 31, 2013
Gordon M wrote:
<quoted text>
Martel, who are some of the locals you would encourage to run for both mayor and aldermen? We do need some intelligent leadership, but the candidates, of course, must not be too inclusive of everyone. They must go with the conservative flow and not be TOO intelligent.
Lol...you got me Gordon. Hopefully we can get some people in there who are determined to get more small industrial and manufacturing jobs back in the county. Jobs in the service industry is fine,but you can't raise a family on it and you can't put all your eggs in that one basket...you're just looking for trouble when you do that.
Road Runner

Franklin, NC

#57 Jun 14, 2013
The local rulers keep out everything that could have brought jobs. Even Wal Mart closed down and put in a smaller store. Home Depot got run off. The last of Caterpillar is leaving for Alabama. No industries left, none is sight to come in. Economic development is a joke, just to keep locals in line. Airport a joke, supposed to bring in big names to the Drake Center. Big bust, didn't happen. Too much tax money spent of ball fields, high paid top county jobs.

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