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Can You Pass an 8th Grade Test from 1912?

There are 1081 comments on the politix.topix.com story from Aug 13, 2013, titled Can You Pass an 8th Grade Test from 1912?. In it, politix.topix.com reports that:

This exam was taken by middle schoolers in Bullitt County, Kentucky. The real test contained 58 questions and wasn't multiple choice.

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#1589 Mar 12, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
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You are wrong.
“Education in China is a state-run system of public education run by the Ministry of Education. All citizens must attend school for at least nine years, known as the nine-year compulsory education, which the government funds. It includes six years of primary education, starting at age six or seven, and three years of junior secondary education (middle school) for ages 12 to 15.”
Note, after age 15, or completion of the 8th grade, only those who are qualified go on to high school. So, yes, they out perform U.S. high school students. Our system is held back because it takes all, including the dullards who are too dumb to benefit from anything more than the basics of reading and simple arithmetic. Chinese high schools take just the smartest and fittest for education. Chinese 15 year olds either go to a trade school or into the labor force.
“Some provinces may have five years of primary school but four years for middle school. After middle school, there are three years of high school, which then completes the secondary education. The Ministry of Education reported a 99 percent attendance rate for primary school and an 80 percent rate for both primary and middle schools. In 1985, the government abolished tax-funded higher education, requiring university applicants to compete for scholarships based on academic ability.”
Again, note: Chinese colleges only admit the smartest students in a highly competitive system. The U.S.A. is a take all comers system subsidized by the taxpayers.
If parents in the U.S.A. had to pay for all their children's education, those children would perform just as well or better than in China or Japan.
...still...China's education standards are higher than the USA....or the wealthy wouldn't get a better education...that's why the USA needs to focus more on education...and less on spreeing money on worthless projects that only fill the politicians' pockets....it's everytime we turn around...our government cuts something from education....leaving schools to fend for themselves...
Libertarian

Eddyville, KY

#1590 Mar 12, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Failed by what metric? Seems pretty successful all over the world.
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Parents are taxpayers.
What is your free market expectation for poor and working class people with little money? Incredibly cheap, low quality schools? That sounds like a recipe for a healthy society.
The time of greatest economic growth, industrial power, and national prosperity in our history was the 50 years from the end of the Civil War until World War 1. Half the manufactured goods in world commerce then were “Made in America.” The U.S.A. forged a third steel of all the steel made in the world, mined a third of its gold, and nearly half its coal. Half the world’s oil was pumped from American wells and refined in American refineries. The U.S. was the world’s largest oil exporter. American farms grew more than half the world’s cotton, half its grain, and produced half its pork and beef. The industrial capacity of the United States was greater than that of the next two largest industrial economies, Britain and Germany, combined.

American business was dominated by giant trusts that each controlled a vital sector of the economy—Standard Oil, National Biscuit, American Sugar, American Tobacco Company, American Can, and International Harvester among the largest. Much as the trusts alarmed their critics, they tended to stabilize markets, provide steady employment, and foster growing prosperity. Wages and terms of employment were set by the free market, without interference from government or the mafia labor unions.

In those days, many states did not have compulsory school attendance laws. Those that did required schooling only until age 15, or through the 8th grade. Only about 1 in 5 ever went on to high school. Many counties did not even have a high school. Fewer than 1 in 20 who graduated from high school went on to college. Public primary schools were a purely state and local responsibility. The federal government was not involved. Yet that is the time when our economy performed the best.

The reason was simple. People who were not capable of benefiting from education were weeded out and went into the labor force. Those that were educated were the ones that could and did benefit from it.

Much as Socialist minded liberals deny it, the ability to pay for an eduction is the best, most effective screening measure. Those who have the ability to pay for an education are the ones with the ability to benefit from it.
Libertarian

Eddyville, KY

#1591 Mar 12, 2014
A healthy society is one that is shaped like a pyramid. The base, the lowest working class, is very broad. Above it is a slightly smaller class of more skilled workers. Layer upon layer this is repeated, with each layer being a little smaller and a little more educated than the layer beneath it. At the top is a very small pinnacle of well educated people, the people who manage society and move civilization forward.

We in the USA, with our failed tax funded Socialist educational system have created an unhealthy and unstable structure. It is narrow at the bottom, fat at the middle, and top heavy.
Facts

United States

#1592 Mar 12, 2014
You are correct
Pastafarian

Mayfield, KY

#1594 Mar 13, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>Failed by what metric? Seems pretty successful all over the world.

Libertarian wrote, "
Parents, not the taxpayers, should pay for their children’s education.
"

Parents are taxpayers.

What is your free market expectation for poor and working class people with little money? Incredibly cheap, low quality schools? That sounds like a recipe for a healthy society.
Sounds like an incentive to better themselves through education / skill acquisition to me.

Since: Dec 11

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#1597 Mar 13, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
The reason was simple. People who were not capable of benefiting from education were weeded out and went into the labor force. Those that were educated were the ones that could and did benefit from it.
No, they didn't. People who were POOR, not incapable, were dumped into the awful labor force. And then they stayed there.
Libertarian wrote:
Much as Socialist minded liberals deny it, the ability to pay for an eduction is the best, most effective screening measure. Those who have the ability to pay for an education are the ones with the ability to benefit from it.
How does being born into wealth measure one's ability to benefit from an education? It does not determine their intelligence or creativity or determination.

A system wherein ALL are given opportunity to succeed will cause the real cream to rise to the top.

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#1598 Mar 13, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
A healthy society is one that is shaped like a pyramid. The base, the lowest working class, is very broad. Above it is a slightly smaller class of more skilled workers. Layer upon layer this is repeated, with each layer being a little smaller and a little more educated than the layer beneath it.
What makes such a society healthy? I'd call a society where a large portion of the populace is poor and lacks mobility to be a very weak and unhappy society.

Since: Dec 11

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#1599 Mar 13, 2014
Pastafarian wrote:
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Sounds like an incentive to better themselves through education / skill acquisition to me.
Yeah, you poor people need to get an education or learn some skills...let's set up a system that makes that as difficult as possible.

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#1600 Mar 13, 2014
...also...education starts at home....until parents start wanting their kids to learn....not much can be done.....
Libertarian

Eddyville, KY

#1601 Mar 13, 2014
According to the laws of nature, the weaker animals in any species fall victim to predators or otherwise lose out to the stronger members of the same species in the competition for food and mates for reproduction. By this natural mechanism the weaker members of a species are weeded out, while the stronger members survive and reproduce, and thus make the species stronger.

Persons, groups, and races are subject to the same laws of natural selection as animals in nature. The life of humans in society is a struggle for existence ruled by survival of the fittest, just as among animals in nature, only the competition is socio-economic instead of for physical survival. Left alone, the law of natural selection will result in the advancement of the strongest competitors and elimination of the weaker ones. The unfit will decline in wealth and, because they cannot afford to reproduce, they will also decline in numbers. The strong will grow in wealth, power, and in cultural influence, and increase in numbers. This will result in continuing improvement in the population and advancement of the civilization.

Socialism is detrimental to the ultimate well being of the human species, because it’s premise “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” defies the most basic law of nature, survival of the fittest. Although it avoids the unpleasant consequences of natural selection upon individuals, Socialism is ultimately destructive to any society and to the human species as a whole. The result will be a society overburdened by people who lack the intelligence and the moral inclination to support themselves. Ultimately the society will no longer be able to support them. When that happens that civilization will collapse.

Our socialized system of tax funded "free and compulsory" public education is the first step on the downward stairway that leads to destruction and the collapse of civilization.
Libertarian

Eddyville, KY

#1602 Mar 13, 2014
Despite Socialist claims, throwing more tax money into the failed public education system will not result in better educated people. The statistics prove that. In 2010 New York spent $18,618 per pupil on its public schools. Those schools turned out masses of students who are the worst performers in the nation. Utah spent only $6,064 per pupil and led the nation in student performance.

Since: Dec 11

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#1603 Mar 14, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
According to the laws of nature, the weaker animals in any species fall victim to predators or otherwise lose out to the stronger members of the same species in the competition for food and mates for reproduction. By this natural mechanism the weaker members of a species are weeded out, while the stronger members survive and reproduce, and thus make the species stronger.
Typically, yes.
Libertarian wrote:
Persons, groups, and races are subject to the same laws of natural selection as animals in nature.
No, they aren't. This is naive. Human success is immeasurably more complicated than that of animals.

Kid A can be more intelligent and harder working than Kid B, but if he's born into poorer circumstances, he is overwhelmingly less likely to be successful.

Sounds like you're living in some Randian fantasy world.
Libertarian wrote:
The unfit will decline in wealth and, because they cannot afford to reproduce, they will also decline in numbers.
lol, what? The poor have MORE children than the rich.
Libertarian wrote:
Our socialized system of tax funded "free and compulsory" public education is the first step on the downward stairway that leads to destruction and the collapse of civilization.
Care to point out any libertarian utopias on Earth?

Since: Dec 11

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#1604 Mar 14, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
Despite Socialist claims, throwing more tax money into the failed public education system will not result in better educated people. The statistics prove that. In 2010 New York spent $18,618 per pupil on its public schools. Those schools turned out masses of students who are the worst performers in the nation. Utah spent only $6,064 per pupil and led the nation in student performance.
Utah has a far lower cost of living. Of course those raw dollar values are lower too. I'm curious where you find Utah having the highest performance rankings.

Utah is ranked 41st in education. New York is 10th.
http://www.alec.org/publications/report-card-...

Here's another metric with Utah ranked 38th. New York is 3rd.
http://www.edweek.org/media/QualityCounts2013...

This NAEP data shows Utah being average.
http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/
Libertarian

Eddyville, KY

#1605 Mar 14, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Typically, yes.
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No, they aren't. This is naive. Human success is immeasurably more complicated than that of animals.
Kid A can be more intelligent and harder working than Kid B, but if he's born into poorer circumstances, he is overwhelmingly less likely to be successful.
Sounds like you're living in some Randian fantasy world.
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lol, what? The poor have MORE children than the rich.
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Care to point out any libertarian utopias on Earth?
Randian fantasy land? I suppose you are referring to Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged." It never ceases to amaze Libertarians how hung up on that silly book Socialist-Liberals are, and how they think that it is the bible of Libertarian thought. It is not. In fact most Libertarians have never read it. There is not one original thought in it. Ms. Rand simply took the Libertarian ideas and used them as the setting for a fictional novel.

The real architects of Libertarian thought were the classical liberal economists of the English Manchester school in the early 1800s, British philosopher and anthropologist Herbert Spencer in the second half of the 19th century, the Jewish-Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises in the first half of the 20th century, and American philosopher Murray N. Rothbard. Of them Rothbard is the most read.

But I am not going to debate with you. It is apparent that you have been so poisoned by the Socialist thinking taught in the public schools that you cannot think for yourself.

Since: Dec 11

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#1606 Mar 14, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
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Randian fantasy land? I suppose you are referring to Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged." It never ceases to amaze Libertarians how hung up on that silly book Socialist-Liberals are, and how they think that it is the bible of Libertarian thought. It is not.
It amazes you that people would link two similar things? How bizarre! You both share a silly, unrealistic, and overly simplistic view of the world.

It's just survival of the fittest!
Libertarian wrote:
But I am not going to debate with you. It is apparent that you have been so poisoned by the Socialist thinking taught in the public schools that you cannot think for yourself.
Run away.
Lie

United States

#1608 Mar 17, 2014
Bingo
Concerned

Greenbrier, AR

#1613 Mar 25, 2014
That's bad
USA

Olive Hill, KY

#1614 Mar 26, 2014
'Merica

“Asaad Khattab ”

Since: Jan 14

Toledo, Ohio

#1615 Mar 26, 2014
It's not that bad...
Well, maybe it is for eighth graders..
Brushey Bill

Whitesburg, KY

#1616 Mar 26, 2014
Dern right I can pass an 8th grade test. I took the 8th grade for 4 years in a row, and memorized the books. I voted every year, and shaved every day back then.

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