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RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119951 Aug 29, 2013
The right is wrong about rights

The conservative theory of freedom is short-sighted and confused. This helps explain why they oppose so much

President Obama’s insistence that Americans have a right to healthcare has drawn predictable criticism from American conservatives, who insist that good health should be a private luxury reserved for those who can pay, or perhaps something provided by charity, rather than an entitlement to a public utility service that should be provided to all citizens of a modern society. Indeed, one of the major indictments in the conservative case against modern American progressive-liberalism is the charge that center-left Americans believe that new natural rights can be discovered or that new positive rights should be created by legislation.

But the conservative theory of rights does not do justice to the pragmatism and flexibility of the Lockean natural rights theory held by America’s Founders. According to that theory, natural rights are either inalienable, such as the rights to life and liberty (you cannot legitimately sell yourself into slavery), or alienable (individuals may alienate part or all of their natural right to self-defense, by forming a community and pooling the coercive power to enforce laws). In addition to these few, broad natural rights, there are potentially an infinite number of subsidiary rights that can be created by laws or constitutions. While natural rights are universal, the subsidiary or instrumental rights needed to promote them necessarily vary, in different times and places. For example, the right to life is universal, but the right to a free press is a subsidiary right that would be pointless in a preliterate tribal society.

Lockean natural rights theory, then, is quite flexible, particularly when it comes to lesser rights or entitlements that a sovereign people may choose to create to better achieve fundamental natural rights. Conservatives, however, typically fail to make the distinction between timeless natural rights and subsidiary rights that are time-bound and context-bound.

Here are the rights (all of them subsidiary rights, not primary or natural rights) listed in the first 10 amendments to the U.S. constitution:
The right to freedom of religion, press and assembly (First Amendment);

The right to bear arms (Second Amendment);
The right of homeowners to be free from the 18th-century practice of having soldiers quartered in their homes (Third Amendment);

Detailed procedural rights including warrants, bail, punishments, speedy trials and the use of Anglo-American common law (Fourth through Eighth Amendments).

(The ninth and 10th amendments are catch-all provisions, dealing with unenumerated or unlisted rights.)

Here are FDR’s proposed additional subsidiary rights, from his Second Bill of Rights speech in 1944:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return that will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

CONtinued:

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119952 Aug 29, 2013
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights, and similar proposals, are not intended to replace the original bill of rights, but only to supplement it. Progressives believe that we should have both the right to free speech and the right to minimal healthcare at public expense.

FDR made it clear that he viewed all of the rights in both the original bill of rights and the proposed Second Bill of Rights as lesser, subsidiary rights, important because they could enable American citizens better to pursue their basic, human rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”:

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however — as our industrial economy expanded — these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.“Necessitous men are not free men.”[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

Many conservatives argue that true rights are “negative rights,” in which the government simply leaves individuals alone, rather than “positive rights,” in which government is obliged to perform some positive service for citizens. But as Cass Sunstein pointed out in his excellent book “The Second Bill of Rights”(2006), the right to use a public judicial system is a positive right or entitlement, just as much as the right to use a public school system or a public hospital or a public road. The fourth through the eighth amendments to the federal Constitution involve the detailed structure of the positive right to a taxpayer-funded, free and fair police and court system, covering everything from bail to punishments and warrants. In other words, half of the eight substantive amendements in the Bill of Rights (amendments nine and 10 are catch-all categories dealing with unenumerated or unlisted rights) have to do with positive rights, not negative rights.

The essential dispute between progressives and conservatives is whether timeless natural rights must be pursued here and throughout the world forever using only the limited set of subsidiary rights that had been devised by British and American law before 1800.

If there really are universal human rights, they will be the same 200 years from now as they were 200 years ago. But helping to secure them in the world of 2213 may require the creation of lesser, instrumental rights by law or constitutional amendment that differ from the subsidiary rights of the U.S. of 2013 or 1813.

Franklin Roosevelt understood that, even if today’s self-described constitutional conservatives do not. As he observed in 1936:

The true conservative seeks to protect the system of private property and free enterprise by correcting such injustices and inequalities as arise from it. The most serious threat to our institutions comes from those who refuse to face the need for change. Liberalism becomes the protection for the far-sighted conservative.

… Wise and prudent men — intelligent conservatives — have long known that in a changing world worthy institutions can be conserved only by adjusting them to the changing time. In the words of the great essayist,“The voice of great events is proclaiming to us ‘Reform if you would preserve.’” I am that kind of conservative because I am that kind of liberal.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/27/the_right_is_...

The RIGHT isn't RIGHT about much of anything. Just lying, bigoted greedy racists.

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119953 Aug 29, 2013
Calvin_Coolish wrote:
<quoted text>
what walk would that be, and how do you know?
Probably that slow knuckle dragging swagger it has. hahaha

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
American Lady

Danville, KY

#119954 Aug 29, 2013
RepubliCONS wrote:
<quoted text>
I REPEAT...I AM NOT your )8~D> batshit crazy loon A Lunatic chemtrail sonny sue. Are you a 6'8 fatass he/she? I talk the talk and walk it. YOU have nothing of any significance to say except try to play mommy/daddy to Calvin. NEWS ALERT: He has a mom and dad. Try mentoring that pervert arisocks if you must mentor someone.
RIP GOP
DITCH MITCH
You GOT THAT RIGHT!
'you are '"definitely" NOT me!

No ONE ELSE is!
Except the "Dobies" that follow "nutter" around!
And post from different proxy sites!

Including one that EVEN "does it" from Danville, occasionally!

Sir William Ferrell
*GOT IT RIGHT*...
on
"...The pResident has FAILED us ..."
forum the other day!

BUT
you ARE
"looney toons" ...
soci0pathic
...

)8~D>

“Heaven doesn't want me.”

Since: Jul 13

Hell's afraid I'll take over.

#119956 Aug 29, 2013
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
Bin'nt himaar!
Daughter of a donkey, huh? Coming from a braying ass like you that doesn't mean much, but ok, I'll play.

Yeah, guess you'd know a little something about donkeys,'cause that's what your Mama uses in her shows down in Juarez. Three shows a night plus matinees on the weekends.

You wanna play the dozens? Well the dozens is a game....
twolips

Netherlands

#119957 Aug 29, 2013
Stupid liberals are concerned with this when America has a national debt of over $17,000,000,000,000 and is about to inflame the entire Mideast because of your incompetent president doing something just to show that he is a tough guy. Britain and France want nothing to do with this.

If you voted for Obama you should be ashamed of yourself for voting for someone so hapless and inept.

The only good thing to come out of an attack on Syria is that Iran destroys a large part of Israel.
OZombies

United States

#119958 Aug 29, 2013
http://socalskywatch.wordpress.com/

Socalskywatch
SAN DIEGO (CA) GLOBAL MARCH AGAINST CHEMTRAILS and GEO ENGINEERING

...or listen to NBC News Chemtrails over California
April 28, 2008
OZombies

Whittier, CA

#119959 Aug 29, 2013
Sunny wrote:
<quoted text>I know OZ if they can't tell were two different people that's there problem.
Hey got to go OZ you have a good night.
Good Night Sunny...!!
twolips

Netherlands

#119960 Aug 29, 2013
RepubliCONS wrote:
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights, and similar proposals, are not intended to replace the original bill of rights, but only to supplement it. Progressives believe that we should have both the right to free speech and the right to minimal healthcare at public expense.
Fs present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.
As our nation has grown in size and stature, however — as our industrial economy expanded — these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.“Necessitous men are not free men.”[3] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
Many conservatives argue that true rights are “negative rights,” in which the government simply leaves individuals alone, rather than “positive rights,” in which government is obliged to perform some positive service for citizens. But as Cass Sunstein pointed out in his excellent book “The Second Bill of Rights”(2006), the right to use a public judicial system is a positive right or entitlement, just as much as the right to use a public school system or a public hospital or a public road. The fourth through the eighth amendments to the federal Constitution involve the detailed structure of the positive right to a taxpayer-funded, free and fair police and court system, covering everything from bail to punishments and warrants. In other words, half of the eight substantive amendements in the Bill of Rights (amendments nine and 10 are catch-all categories dealing with unenumerated or unlisted rights) have to do with positive rights, not negative rights.
The essential dispute between progressives and conservatives is whether timeless natural rights must be pursued here and throughout the world forever using only the limited set of subsidiary rights that had been devised by British and American law before 1800.
If there really are universal human rights, they will be the same 200 years from now as they were 200 years ago. But helping to secure them in the world of 2213 may require the creation of lesser, instrumental rights by law or constitutional amendment that differ from the subsidiary rights of the U.S. of 2013 or 1813.
Franklin Roosevelt understood that, even if today’s self-described constitutional conservatives do not. As he observed in 1936:
The true conservative seeks to protect the system of private property and free enterprise by correcting such injustices and inequalities as arise from it. The most serious threat to our institutions comes from those who refuse to face the need for change. Liberalism becomes the protection for the far-sighted conservative.
… Wise and prudent men — intelligent conservatives — have long known that in a changing world worthy institutions can be conserved only by adjusting them to the changing time. In the words of the great essayist,“The voice of great events is proclaiming to us ‘Reform if you would preserve.’” I am that kind of conservative because I am that kind of liberal.
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/27/the_right_is_...
The RIGHT isn't RIGHT about much of anything. Just lying, bigoted greedy racists.
RIP GOP
DITCH MITCH
Instead of making a fool out of yourself, why don't you try reading the U.S. Constitution? It is written plainly enough that even a opinionated bigot such as you can understand it.
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119961 Aug 29, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
You GOT THAT RIGHT!
'you are '"definitely" NOT me!
No ONE ELSE is!
Except the "Dobies" that follow "nutter" around!
And post from different proxy sites!
Including one that EVEN "does it" from Danville, occasionally!
Sir William Ferrell
*GOT IT RIGHT*...
on
"...The pResident has FAILED us ..."
forum the other day!
BUT
you ARE
"looney toons" ...
soci0pathic
...
)8~D>
THANK GOD, YOU are the only )8~D> batshit crazy loon/

YOUR arisocks clown is the expert on name/location proxy changes. Don't put that shit on us. We don't need to stoop to such childish and pathetic games you circus clowns do. Keep trying. Lying lunatic loser lemmings.

RIP LYING RACIST TEABAGGING GOP

DITCH THE WITCH
&
DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119962 Aug 29, 2013
twolips wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of making a fool out of yourself, why don't you try reading the U.S. Constitution? It is written plainly enough that even a opinionated bigot such as you can understand it.
The only FOOLS on here are you name/location/proxy changing circus clown socks. I have read the Constitution. Why don't you? Pick a name and location and stick with it loser. You are just chapped because of all the facts from the news exposing your lying, racist, bigoted teabagging repukes who can't buy an election. How's that "re-invention/re-building " working out for your three parties. hahahahaha Love it when you eat your own. Plant those two lips on your pudding pops or one of your loon's circus clowns ass.

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119963 Aug 29, 2013
Crow__ wrote:
<quoted text>
Daughter of a donkey, huh? Coming from a braying ass like you that doesn't mean much, but ok, I'll play.
Yeah, guess you'd know a little something about donkeys,'cause that's what your Mama uses in her shows down in Juarez. Three shows a night plus matinees on the weekends.
You wanna play the dozens? Well the dozens is a game....
Good evening Crow. Hope your day was great. Mine was. They are having hissy fits because all the news is about their racists, bigots, teabagging republiCONS. They could look all day and not come up with Dems eating their own or behaving so UN-CHRISTIAN like. hahaha

You just missed Calvin. Trying to ward off the stalker creep arisocks.

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH
RepubliCONS

Elizabethtown, KY

#119964 Aug 29, 2013
Report says DNA test verified bin Laden's identity

Classified files provided by NSA leaker Edward Snowden state that a forensic intelligence laboratory run by the Defense Intelligence Agency performed the DNA testing.

WASHINGTON — Secret budget documents show that a U.S. military laboratory in Afghanistan analyzed DNA from Osama bin Laden's corpse and confirmed his identify shortly after he was killed by a Navy SEAL team.

The Pentagon denied more than a year ago it had any records of these tests in a response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by The Associated Press a day after President Barack Obama announced bin Laden's death.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that classified intelligence budget files provided by National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden state that a forensic intelligence laboratory run by the Defense Intelligence Agency performed the DNA testing. The Post reported that the tests "provided a conclusive match."

The AP's request for records submitted on May 2, 2011, included DNA and facial recognition tests performed to ensure the body was bin Laden's, all videos and photographs taken during the raid on bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, the death certificate and other records related to the mission.

In a March 2012 response, the Defense Department said it could not locate any of the files.
The AP reported in July that the nation's top special operations commander, Adm. William McRaven, had ordered military files about the raid purged from Defense Department computers and sent to the CIA, where they more easily could be shielded from ever being made public.

The secret move appeared to have sidestepped federal rules and perhaps the Freedom of Information Act as well. The CIA has special authority to prevent the release of "operational files" in ways that can't effectively be challenged in federal court.

Spokesmen for the Pentagon and CIA denied the move was intended to avoid the legal requirements of the Freedom of Information Act. The bin Laden mission was overseen by the CIA, they said, which meant the records about the raid should be housed with the spy agency.

The CIA has not responded to a separate request for many of the same records about the bin Laden mission the Pentagon said it could not find.

http://news.msn.com/us/report-says-dna-test-v...

Guess while the TRAITOR snowden is sharing all of the US secrets he squashes that bin laden died years before repuke theory huh?

Hope they can do the DNA on his traitor ass someday soon.

RIP GOP

DITCH MITCH

“Heaven doesn't want me.”

Since: Jul 13

Hell's afraid I'll take over.

#119965 Aug 29, 2013
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
TN is where I live you stupid halfwit bitch! It's that simple! Belive what you and your dimwit friends want, I don't care.
Doesn't Jonesborough have its own Topix board?

Because see, I only know blessings in Arabic, so I had to Google the filth you posted. Thing is, when I Googled "Assam Aiaykom, ebn el sharmoota!", the very first result was this:

www.topix.com/forum/city/elkhorn-city-ky/.../...

Then when I Googled "Kis ern ick", one of the first results was this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/burkesville-k...

Elkhorn City and Burkesville? Weird, huh?
General Robert E Lee

Johnson City, TN

#119966 Aug 29, 2013
Crow__ wrote:
<quoted text>
Daughter of a donkey, huh? Coming from a braying ass like you that doesn't mean much, but ok, I'll play.
Yeah, guess you'd know a little something about donkeys,'cause that's what your Mama uses in her shows down in Juarez. Three shows a night plus matinees on the weekends.
You wanna play the dozens? Well the dozens is a game....
You would likely s--k a dozen! you seem to know a lot about Juarez? Experiance perhaps?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#119967 Aug 29, 2013
Calvin_Coolish wrote:
<quoted text>
I like the sky just fine, I know where the north star is...it's in the north,(hehe) about 38 degrees above the horizon, first star in the handle of the little dipper
Back to school for you. The North Star is not a part of the Big Dipper. The Dipper always points at it.
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~huffman/finddip....
General Robert E Lee

Johnson City, TN

#119968 Aug 29, 2013
twolips wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of making a fool out of yourself, why don't you try reading the U.S. Constitution? It is written plainly enough that even a opinionated bigot such as you can understand it.
You have to be able to comprehend what you read, so she is screwed! Thats the only way it would happen too!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#119969 Aug 29, 2013
OZombies wrote:
http://socalskywatch.wordpress .com/
Socalskywatch
SAN DIEGO (CA) GLOBAL MARCH AGAINST CHEMTRAILS and GEO ENGINEERING
...or listen to NBC News Chemtrails over California
April 28, 2008
When everyone is finished with the chemtrail story they can check out the real news behind the government cover up of Area51 and the aliens,
http://www.realufos.net/
Jay

Paris, TN

#119970 Aug 29, 2013
This is a petition circulating the internet:
**********

The list of impeachable offenses by President Obama continues to grow. As if the multiple scandals riddling his administration (NSA, IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, et al) are not enough, now, the president seems hell-bent on making a decision that will jeopardize America like a dictator rather than getting approval from Congress.

We have a system of government in the United States and the constitutional expectation that it is followed. Rather than consulting Congress on the decision to attack Syria and getting Congressional approval as per Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, Obama is seeking UN approval instead and citing the fact that the United States is a signatory to a UN chemical weapons convention that does not allow the use of chemical weapons on people

We don’t answer to the UN!

This is what happens when you have a president who has been allowed to rule like a dictator rather than govern like a leader. With Obama, he has decided to unconstitutionally pick and choose which parts of his freedom destroying law ObamaCare to delay and which to start on time. Now, with Syria, he wants to turn to the UN for guidance and approval to enter into war rather than follow the mandate by the Constitution to go through Congress.

Back in 2007, Joe Biden made the following threat to President Bush regarding Iran.

“The president has no authority to unilaterally attack Iran, and if he does, as Foreign Relations Committee chairman, I will move to impeach.”

“Heaven doesn't want me.”

Since: Jul 13

Hell's afraid I'll take over.

#119971 Aug 29, 2013
RepubliCONS wrote:
<quoted text>
Good evening Crow. Hope your day was great. Mine was. They are having hissy fits because all the news is about their racists, bigots, teabagging republiCONS. They could look all day and not come up with Dems eating their own or behaving so UN-CHRISTIAN like. hahaha
You just missed Calvin. Trying to ward off the stalker creep arisocks.
RIP GOP
DITCH MITCH
Hey RC Co-Cola! My day was great, too, thanks. A little warmish, but great.

Yeah, I hate that I missed Calvin. Maybe I can catch him tomorrow night since it's not a school night.

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