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Havenot made the mind up

Medina, OH

#1 Jan 14, 2013
To the NO supporters: Post your reason (s) in favor of this measure here.
To the YES supporters: Start your own thread and post your reason to be against this measure.
Do not violate the rules. Yes supporters can not comment in the NO thread and NO supporters can not comment in the YES thread.
Be fair and please be human about this and above all, follow the rules.
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#2 Jan 14, 2013
I am voting NO because Greenup is an addicted riddled area and having news bars just down the road will only add fuel to the fire. I think it is pure lies that any restaurants have expressed interest or will plan on coming to our area.
Havenot made the mind up

Medina, OH

#3 Jan 14, 2013
moseby wrote:
I am voting NO because Greenup is an addicted riddled area and having news bars just down the road will only add fuel to the fire. I think it is pure lies that any restaurants have expressed interest or will plan on coming to our area.
No bars. Packaged retail only is what I have been informed.
Strike 1 about the true information.
Havenot made the mind up

Medina, OH

#4 Jan 14, 2013
TRUTH: After Russell went wet, Persons approached Cracker Barrel to come to Greenup County (Russell). CB Came to the area and the only lot that suited them was the old steak house lot near Lowes. They turned Russel down because: TOO MUCH DIRT COMING FROM AK STEEL.
lgb

Ashland, KY

#5 Jan 15, 2013
Just to make it clear, Russell is NOT wet. It is moist, completely different. It's moist laws are to stringent, and makes it almost impossible to bring any restaurants large enough to fit inside the 70/30 ratio. El Colonial wanted to serve beer etc..., but due to the size of their restaurant was not able to, if they were larger, there would be alcohol sales in Russell. It's just to cost prohibitive to do so at this time.
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#6 Jan 15, 2013
Havenot made the mind up wrote:
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No bars. Packaged retail only is what I have been informed.
Strike 1 about the true information.
Oh YOU have been informed. An anonymous person on topix has been informed. NO thanks, no taking that bait. This WILL bring bars, not restaurants. Because I am so certain Cracker Barrel is itching to put up a million dollar business in South Shore right next to the abandoned businesses, homes, and the dollar store.:p
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#7 Jan 15, 2013
If the poverty levels in our county can't even support a KFC, why would businesses elect to open up a expensive franchise here in Greenup? Alcohol or not, the majority of our county can't even afford their electric bill, let alone an expensive meal. The handful that can afford it will continue to go to Ashland not because of the alcohol, but because of the movie theater and mall. Greenup has nothing to offer restaurants to lure them here, and alcohol sales can't change the fact the county is poor and not in the least appealing to these types of businesses. The YES people are basing their vote on this myth/lie but know good and well this will only lead to bars and carry outs.
Joe

Chesapeake, OH

#8 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
If the poverty levels in our county can't even support a KFC, why would businesses elect to open up a expensive franchise here in Greenup? Alcohol or not, the majority of our county can't even afford their electric bill, let alone an expensive meal. The handful that can afford it will continue to go to Ashland not because of the alcohol, but because of the movie theater and mall. Greenup has nothing to offer restaurants to lure them here, and alcohol sales can't change
the fact the county is poor and not in the least appealing to these types of businesses. The YES people are basing their vote on this myth/lie but know good and well this will only lead to bars and carry outs.
If population, and business not being able to support the things you speak of, if thats truly your gripe. Then why should we keep doing everything exactly the same? Don't we need to do something different? If yes, then what different??? You've told why this wont work, but tell us WHAT WILL work.
Yes

Ashland, KY

#9 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
<quoted text>Oh YOU have been informed. An anonymous person on topix has been informed. NO thanks, no taking that bait. This WILL bring bars, not restaurants. Because I am so certain Cracker Barrel is itching to put up a million dollar business in South Shore right next to the abandoned businesses, homes, and the dollar store.:p
You're clueless, as usual.
Yes

Ashland, KY

#10 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
<quoted text>Oh YOU have been informed. An anonymous person on topix has been informed. NO thanks, no taking that bait. This WILL bring bars, not restaurants. Because I am so certain Cracker Barrel is itching to put up a million dollar business in South Shore right next to the abandoned businesses, homes, and the dollar store.:p
So, just because a Cracker Barrel wouldn't open in South Shore tomorrow, means that it wouldn't in the future if things changed now? This would open our area to the outside world and for the opportunity of business and economic growth. It may start small, but it's the first step in the right direction and will grow over time.
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#11 Jan 15, 2013
Joe wrote:
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If population, and business not being able to support the things you speak of, if thats truly your gripe. Then why should we keep doing everything exactly the same? Don't we need to do something different? If yes, then what different??? You've told why this wont work, but tell us WHAT WILL work.
Ashalnd opened the mall BEFORE they were allowed to sell alcohol. It can be done. I just don't think becoming wet is the miracle people claim it is. I don't know what will work, but I know I have my right to my opinion and vote. I have hopes that our community and leaders can come up with an educated and creative idea without pandering to the lowest common denominator. Surely people can come up with more intelligent ideas besides the 'lets booze it up plan'. This caters to only a specific group and excludes families, kids, teens, and people who do not drink.
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#12 Jan 15, 2013
Yes wrote:
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So, just because a Cracker Barrel wouldn't open in South Shore tomorrow, means that it wouldn't in the future if things changed now? This would open our area to the outside world and for the opportunity of business and economic growth. It may start small, but it's the first step in the right direction and will grow over time.
If Ashland, Portsmouth, and Ironton can not even get a Cracker Barrel what hopes does Greenup have? I am not willing to deal with all the negative affects this will have on our children and community for the false hopes of a Cracker barrel. I also am not excited to have to deal with the selling of alcohol at the small amount of community activities we have. The thing people keep saying is 'we need more FUN'. But the second beer is sold at the fair, Quilt show, old fashioned days, etc. You exclude kids on this fun just for adults who can drink in their homes.
Yes

Campbellsville, KY

#13 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
<quoted text>If Ashland, Portsmouth, and Ironton can not even get a Cracker Barrel what hopes does Greenup have? I am not willing to deal with all the negative affects this will have on our children and community for the false hopes of a Cracker barrel. I also am not excited to have to deal with the selling of alcohol at the small amount of community activities we have. The thing people keep saying is 'we need more FUN'. But the second beer is sold at the fair, Quilt show, old fashioned days, etc. You exclude kids on this fun just for adults who can drink in their homes.
There are many cities that have more exciting events than the ones in Greenup, there's alcohol sold at these events, and they're much better than ours currently. Selling alcohol at a fair will not turn it into bar, plenty of places do it, and they're just fine. Their children are not running scared from the county fair because the event is no longer about them. This is just ridiculous. Ever think that Greenup is a central location for ALL of these towns you mentioned? That might give it some favorability for business. It's not just for a Cracker Barrel, get real if that's all it is about, it's improving upon the future of our development. Have you ever been to Maysville? It's a relatively small town that has an enjoyable nightlife, live bands, and other small festivals. They sell alcohol, but it's not a drunken mess with fights on every corner. They have lucrative amounts of money to spend on activities for the community that is actually enjoyed by everyone.
Havenot made the mind up

Medina, OH

#14 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
<quoted text>If Ashland, Portsmouth, and Ironton can not even get a Cracker Barrel what hopes does Greenup have? I am not willing to deal with all the negative affects this will have on our children and community for the false hopes of a Cracker barrel. I also am not excited to have to deal with the selling of alcohol at the small amount of community activities we have. The thing people keep saying is 'we need more FUN'. But the second beer is sold at the fair, Quilt show, old fashioned days, etc. You exclude kids on this fun just for adults who can drink in their homes.
Are you talking about the City of Greenup or the County of Greenup? Please clarify.
I'm still not convinced.
Havenot made the mind up

Medina, OH

#15 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
If the poverty levels in our county can't even support a KFC, why would businesses elect to open up a expensive franchise here in Greenup?
If you are talking about the closing of the KFC in the City of Greenup, it was closed because the Clarks, which own the building, refused to renew their(KFC)lease. That statement does not hold any water, just a lot of misinformed hot air.
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#16 Jan 15, 2013
Yes wrote:
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There are many cities that have more exciting events than the ones in Greenup, there's alcohol sold at these events, and they're much better than ours currently. Selling alcohol at a fair will not turn it into bar, plenty of places do it, and they're just fine. Their children are not running scared from the county fair because the event is no longer about them. This is just ridiculous. Ever think that Greenup is a central location for ALL of these towns you mentioned? That might give it some favorability for business. It's not just for a Cracker Barrel, get real if that's all it is about, it's improving upon the future of our development. Have you ever been to Maysville? It's a relatively small town that has an enjoyable nightlife, live bands, and other small festivals. They sell alcohol, but it's not a drunken mess with fights on every corner. They have lucrative amounts of money to spend on activities for the community that is actually enjoyed by everyone.
I am getting real. An enjoyable night life is the LAST thing I care about. People can not even pay their electric bills here in this area, a handful of minimum wage jobs so people can have a 'night life' seems selfish. And yes I am sure kids will not be running scared when beer is at the fair, but our kids deserve a nice time away from people getting drunk, fighting, and fussing. You may think I am delusional for thinking like this but I think it is delusional to assume there will be nothing but sweet mannered folks sipping one beer. It's not the nature of that beast. I think we need to address the counties problem with addiction before we add fuel to this fire. You forget that our county has a HUGE epidemic of addiction to LEGAL Oxycontin. Why not push for more rehab centers? A rehab center would mean JOBS and it would also clean up a ton of folks which would mean positive things for many families and the betterment of our community. That's just my opinion and that's how my vote is based. I worry for the the vulnerable not adults needing an exciting Friday night.
Yes

Campbellsville, KY

#17 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
<quoted text>I am getting real. An enjoyable night life is the LAST thing I care about. People can not even pay their electric bills here in this area, a handful of minimum wage jobs so people can have a 'night life' seems selfish. And yes I am sure kids will not be running scared when beer is at the fair, but our kids deserve a nice time away from people getting drunk, fighting, and fussing. You may think I am delusional for thinking like this but I think it is delusional to assume there will be nothing but sweet mannered folks sipping one beer. It's not the nature of that beast. I think we need to address the counties problem with addiction before we add fuel to this fire. You forget that our county has a HUGE epidemic of addiction to LEGAL Oxycontin. Why not push for more rehab centers? A rehab center would mean JOBS and it would also clean up a ton of folks which would mean positive things for many families and the betterment of our community. That's just my opinion and that's how my vote is based. I worry for the the vulnerable not adults needing an exciting Friday night.
Just because you dislike something doesn't mean it's horrible. I sit home on weekend nights too, but I'm not opposed to others having something to do. Rehab centers? Might as well build a revolving door. And, actually there are many people that know how to enjoy themselves in a social drinking environment. You may not be familiar with that because of a bad experience, but there are plenty of people in this world that do that often. The mentality of sitting in a broke town with nothing to do because you morally dislike something that is legal and already occurring is silly. I suggest you lock your doors and let no one leave your house, they may be exposed to the real world. Heaven forbid! One day, the children in your life will leave and will experience these things. Completely shielding them from it is a recipe for disaster. I couldn't tell you the number of kids I've seen raised that way go wild when they were able to experience the "bad" things of life they had never seen and been blocked from seeing until they were off on their own. It's not always a definite, but fairly common. In the end, all people are saying is that if this doesn't pass this time, it will pass in the future. It's really not THAT big of a deal, it's just silly to watch our finances suffer because someone's morals are in the way. This is an economic issue, not a moral issue. Let's think if the other side, there are many people in Greenup that are very capable of paying their bills, and have money to actually spend in this community. Why not let that money boost Greenup rather than Ashland? Portsmouth? Ironton?
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#18 Jan 15, 2013
Lol...selling alcohol, good. Rehab, bad?!?!? There are PLENTY of things we could invest in that doesn't involve beer. And valid point, can't protect them. But why elect to shove their faces in it? I just am not buying the idea that this is the end all beat all savior.
moseby

Zanesville, OH

#19 Jan 15, 2013
Havenot made the mind up wrote:
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If you are talking about the closing of the KFC in the City of Greenup, it was closed because the Clarks, which own the building, refused to renew their(KFC)lease. That statement does not hold any water, just a lot of misinformed hot air.
Our area has plenty of abandoned businesses, homes, and buildings to show anyone that this area is poor and not too many things can thrive.
Haha

Chesapeake, OH

#20 Jan 15, 2013
moseby wrote:
<quoted text>If Ashland, Portsmouth, and Ironton can not even get a Cracker Barrel what hopes does Greenup have? I am not willing to deal with all the negative affects this will have on our children and community for the false hopes of a Cracker barrel. I also am not excited to have to deal with the selling of alcohol at the small amount of community activities we have. The thing people keep saying is 'we need more FUN'. But the second beer is sold at the fair, Quilt show, old fashioned days, etc. You exclude kids on this fun just for adults who can drink in their homes.
Ashland did not open the mall before they went wet!!! More lies being spread by the dry side.

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