Christianity...what's your answer?

Christianity...what's your answer?

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“Jesus loves you, this I know”

Since: Jun 08

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#1 Jul 14, 2009
I realize a thread has been started on Creation, Intelligent Design and Evolution (thank you, Galapagos).
What I would like to know is your answer to any of these questions.
1.)If you do not believe in God, why not? What did it take for you to not believe?
2.)What would it take for you to believe?
3.)Alternatively, if you are a christian, what caused you to believe?
4.)As a christian what would it take for you to not believe?
On the assumption that people may actually respond, please be civil to one another. Don't let your passion on any issue mutate into rudeness. Thank you.
White Bread

Greenbrier, AR

#2 Jul 14, 2009
I'm not really sure what to believe. I didn't grow up going to church, but in the past year I started attending. I don't know for sure where I stand in believing and not believing. Some of the stuff we discuss in Sunday school seems a little unbelievable to me. I think that maybe if I grew up learning about the Bible then I would understand more about it. I don't believe nor disbelieve in God, well......I believe He's out there, I just have a little more open mind about it all.
Gods_servant

Prestonsburg, KY

#3 Jul 14, 2009
answers for 3&4:
3. I'm 17. My parents have taken me to church all my life, and the preachers lessons and youth minister's lessons have just in the past year or so, sunk in. I know I have Jesus inside me, and he guides me in all that I do. Every time that I pray, I feel like I am in a different place, really talking to God. That's what makes me beleive.
4. There is nothing that could cause me to not beleive. I KNOW there is a God, whose son died on earth for my sins and now lives inside me. There is no way someone could convince me otherwise.
Gods_servant

Prestonsburg, KY

#4 Jul 14, 2009
White Bread wrote:
I'm not really sure what to believe. I didn't grow up going to church, but in the past year I started attending. I don't know for sure where I stand in believing and not believing. Some of the stuff we discuss in Sunday school seems a little unbelievable to me. I think that maybe if I grew up learning about the Bible then I would understand more about it. I don't believe nor disbelieve in God, well......I believe He's out there, I just have a little more open mind about it all.
I know what you mean. It is often very difficult to comprehend a lot of the Bible. I just pray about it, really talking to God and talking with Jesus, and I know that it is the truth, whether I can understand it or not. I will pray for you White Bread. God Bless.
UsnDvrSar

Lexington, KY

#5 Jul 14, 2009
White Bread wrote:
I'm not really sure what to believe. I didn't grow up going to church, but in the past year I started attending. I don't know for sure where I stand in believing and not believing. Some of the stuff we discuss in Sunday school seems a little unbelievable to me. I think that maybe if I grew up learning about the Bible then I would understand more about it. I don't believe nor disbelieve in God, well......I believe He's out there, I just have a little more open mind about it all.
Well look at it this way, For art to exist there has to be a creator,(in this case an artist) everything around that you see in a sense is art, it had to have a creator,(GOD).
Eyes Wide Open

Lexington, KY

#6 Jul 15, 2009
I have never thought there was no God. My parents took me to church since I was born. Creation testifies for itself. It has, however, taken a few years for me to understand religion versus relationship with God/Jesus.

My problem now is not believing in Jesus; it is trusting other so-called Christians. I believe this is a huge problem for today's younger people, especially.

As I grew up, all the people I was around were believers and they openly shared their faith, and they let me know with words and hugs that they cared about me. So, I never questioned if Christians were who they professed to be in church. Sad to say, I did not have a relationship with Jesus Christ until I was an adult. I just had never heard it described in this way.

I was raised on making sure I obeyed the Ten Commandments plus society's unwritten other rules about behavior. I lived a very sheltered life and when I became an adult, I was shocked that I STILL couldn't live up to some of society's unwritten rules.

It was the song "You Are My King/Amazing Love" that finally spoke to my heart. All these years, I saw Jesus as dying for the sins of the whole world, but He wasn't someone who died for ME and MY sins. He was kind of like my dad at the time -- physically present, but not real expressive and emotional with his encouragement. As a matter of fact, HE was hard to please, and I saw God as being the same way -- hard to please and just waiting to punish me for my sins. When I finally realized the truth, it was a real experience. I was baptised for the third time and life began to change.
Galapagos

Hawesville, KY

#7 Jul 15, 2009
"Don't tell me God works in mysterious ways. There's nothing so mysterious
about it. He's not working at all. He's playing. Or else He's forgotten all
about us. That's the kind of God you people talk about- a country bumpkin, a
clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much
reverance can you have for a Supreme being who finds it necessary to include
such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation?
What in the world was going through that warped, evil, scatalogical mind of
His when He robbed old people of the ability to control their bowel
movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain....

Who created the dangers? Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He
gave us pain! Why couldn't He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or
one of His celestial choirs? Or a system of red and blue neon tubes right in
the middle of each person's forehead?....

They certainly look beautiful now, writhing in agony or stupified with
morphine, don't they? What a colossal, immortal blunderer! When you consider
the opportunity and power He had to really do a job and then look at the
stupid, ugly little mess He made of it instead, His sheer incompetence is
almost staggering. It's obvious He never met a payroll. Why,no self-respecting
businessman would hire a bungler like Him as even a shipping clerk!"
Yossarian to Lt. Scheisskopf's wife,
_Catch-22_, 1961, by Joseph Heller
Eyes Wide Open

Lexington, KY

#8 Jul 15, 2009
In the fall of 2004, I had to face some other issues of belief. I totally surrendered to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. God started showing me different things, and He has continued to prune my tree since then.

I began to notice, though, that not everyone was on the same page as me, even family members who called themselves "Christian." They wanted the name "Christian", but they didn't want to truly FOLLOW what scripture says. They were just going through the motions and playing church. It was a battle, and I perservered through it. Today, I have more family members that have the real thing.

For a short time, we attended a little church where I grew in my spirit. I used my spiritual gifts and my talents and I was SO happy. For the first time, I was truly studying God's Word and I was finding out how this relationship with God was supposed to work. I discovered that God is a LOVING God and that He really has good in mind for me. I was also learning how to better my relationships with others, particuarly with my new Christian brothers and sisters.

Circumstances changed, however, and I wasn't ready for that. It was hard to accept what God had planned for me. It seemed He was taking away the role models He had allowed me to learn from. So, I fought against the plan. I went to a different church and tried to fit it. Eventually, I discovered I wouldn't be able to use my spiritual gifts and talents at this church. I had to either accept it or I would have to go somewhere else.

My relationships with some of my new "family members" went downhill fast. It seemed no matter how kind I was to them, I was rejected. This really confused me, since these were the very people who had shown me God's love and how the relationship with Jesus and others is supposed to work only a few years ago. Things went from bad to worse and I became consumed with negative emotions.

I have had to take a good look at my life in the last six or seven months, to figure out who I am and what is really important to me. I've had to leave some things and some relationships to God until He changes things. I've had to stop attending one church reguarly to find out where God wants me. God has put me in places to serve and sing and to be a blessing to other people.

There is still a wall up, however, that I can't seem to get over right now. That wall is called Unforgiveness. The pain of rejection still lingers. I know only God can break down this wall. Until then, I must move on, and trust God to do what is truly "best" for my life.

First poster, you asked some good questions. This is a good post.

I hope my testimony will speak to someone's heart today. God bless.
Gods_servant

Prestonsburg, KY

#9 Jul 15, 2009
Galapagos wrote:
"Don't tell me God works in mysterious ways. There's nothing so mysterious
about it. He's not working at all. He's playing. Or else He's forgotten all
about us. That's the kind of God you people talk about- a country bumpkin, a
clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much
reverance can you have for a Supreme being who finds it necessary to include
such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation?
What in the world was going through that warped, evil, scatalogical mind of
His when He robbed old people of the ability to control their bowel
movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain....
Who created the dangers? Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He
gave us pain! Why couldn't He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or
one of His celestial choirs? Or a system of red and blue neon tubes right in
the middle of each person's forehead?....
They certainly look beautiful now, writhing in agony or stupified with
morphine, don't they? What a colossal, immortal blunderer! When you consider
the opportunity and power He had to really do a job and then look at the
stupid, ugly little mess He made of it instead, His sheer incompetence is
almost staggering. It's obvious He never met a payroll. Why,no self-respecting
businessman would hire a bungler like Him as even a shipping clerk!"
Yossarian to Lt. Scheisskopf's wife,
_Catch-22_, 1961, by Joseph Heller
Is that the way you feel?
Gods_servant

Prestonsburg, KY

#10 Jul 15, 2009
One day, for all who beleive, there will be no pain, no tooth decay, and no evil.
White Bread

Elizabethtown, KY

#11 Jul 15, 2009
I'm 24 years old, and have never read the Bible. I know some people are frowning on that but I think that you believe in what you were taught while you were growing up(if that makes any since to anyone). Since I wasn't brought up in a religous family I'm not really sure what to believe, there's so many view points out there. How do I decide which one is for me?
Gods_servant

Prestonsburg, KY

#12 Jul 15, 2009
If you beleive there is a God, pray to Him about what to beleive. I guarantee you that if you ask Him, and listen, He will show you where he wants you to go with your beleifs. Next I think you should try different churches, until you find the one that you feel most loved and comfortable in, and you that you feel God is in. If you don't beleive in God at all right now, then please, still try church, atleast for a little while. Whether you are a beleiver or not, any church that you go to will welcome you with open arms, and love you, just like God does. I will be praying for you, because I love you, and I want you with me one glorious day.
Galapagos

Hawesville, KY

#13 Jul 15, 2009
"If the bible proves the existence of God,
then Action Comics prove the existence of Superman."
Graham Kendall
Galapagos

Hawesville, KY

#14 Jul 15, 2009
"God --
it's a wonderful idea.
It's a nice fantasy.
It's a way of keeping people in line.
It's a way of controlling people.
There is as much proof of the existence of God --
or even evidence, forget proof.
There's as much evidence for the existence of God as
there is for the existence for UFSs and extraterrestrials.
And yet, if you mention them for a moment, you're
considered outside, beyond the pale, you're a kook,
you're marginalized, you're crazy.
If you mention --
if you don't love God, then you're --
there's something wrong with you."
George Carlin, on the "Politically Incorrect show, 5/16/2001
Galapagos

Hawesville, KY

#15 Jul 15, 2009
George Carlin - Religion is bullshit. Enjoy:

Gods_servant

Prestonsburg, KY

#16 Jul 15, 2009
Galapagos wrote:
George Carlin - Religion is bullshit. Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MeSSwKffj9oXX
I will pray for you.

“Jesus loves you, this I know”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#17 Jul 15, 2009
Galapagos wrote:
"God --
it's a wonderful idea.
It's a nice fantasy.
It's a way of keeping people in line.
It's a way of controlling people.
There is as much proof of the existence of God --
or even evidence, forget proof.
There's as much evidence for the existence of God as
there is for the existence for UFSs and extraterrestrials.
And yet, if you mention them for a moment, you're
considered outside, beyond the pale, you're a kook,
you're marginalized, you're crazy.
If you mention --
if you don't love God, then you're --
there's something wrong with you."
George Carlin, on the "Politically Incorrect show, 5/16/2001
You are clever with your quotes. While that may provide some insight about you I would like to know more. You seem to speak from your mind, knowledge, etc. I would like to hear more from your heart about why you hold the views that you do. At what point did you decide that there is no God and only logic (presumed) may prevail?

Again, because the tone of words can get lost in type, let me say that I ask with genuine interest and sincerity of heart.
Galapagos

Hawesville, KY

#18 Jul 15, 2009
Gods_servant wrote:
<quoted text>
I will pray for you.
If the answers to prayer are merely what God wills all along, then why pray?
Eyes Wide Open

Lexington, KY

#19 Jul 15, 2009
God's servant: I will say that not ALL churches will be welcoming. This is because so-called Christians do not love each as God commands. This causes all kinds of divisions and jealousies. When God's people can't get along or forgive each other, it sets a bad example for the unchurched and non-believers like Galapagos.

Going to one church is not always the answer. I have found that in "dating" churches, and by visiting them at least three or four times each, you can figure out whether or not you can be comfortable there and feel the Holy Spirit.

In the meantime, focus on getting to know God/Jesus through prayer mostly and also through the reading of God's word in a Bible version you can understand and read yourself. Knowing Jesus is what will get you into Heaven, not membership in any church. Surround yourself with people who LIVE their Christian faith. There are plenty of older adults that would like to mentor younger people.

It is good that you question things, for that is how we learn.
Galapagos

Hawesville, KY

#20 Jul 15, 2009
lovinJesus wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like to hear more from your heart about why you hold the views that you do. At what point did you decide that there is no God and only logic (presumed) may prevail?
I was raised to believe in god.As I grew older, everything I experienced in life and learned in school contradicted the religious propaganda . How can anyone walk through a pediatric oncology floor in a hospital and believe in the god that willed that. War for the sake of god and religion has murdered untold millions over time. What kind of loving god would permit the starvation of millions of kids worldwide? It is simply not believable. Science is believable and it explains creation to my satisfaction much more than mere faith in a apathetic god does.

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