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Right to Life remembering lives lost to abortion

There are 680 comments on the Greensburg Daily News story from Jan 11, 2013, titled Right to Life remembering lives lost to abortion. In it, Greensburg Daily News reports that:

Greensburg - Nearly 40 years ago, on Jan. 22, 1973, the United States Supreme Court proclaimed a mother could legally seek an abortion in the landmark Roe vs.

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M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#1 Jan 11, 2013
a nation who can kill the most innocent among us in the womb will not value your life either.
What Now

Englewood, OH

#2 Jan 11, 2013
Pro Choice all the way! Save the planet, stop the overpopulation! And why pay these Greensburg sluts to spread their legs and pop out children for welfare dollars? Abort them and sterilize the irresponsible!
What Now

Englewood, OH

#3 Jan 11, 2013
If you let the gov't tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies, the next thing you know, the religous nutsos like Jeff Sangl will be mandating female circumcision like they have in the African countries. Because, you know, women should only have sex to make babies, and shouldn't feel pleasure down there.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

Since: Jul 10

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#4 Jan 11, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
a nation who can kill the most innocent among us in the womb will not value your life either.
So true.
What Now

Englewood, OH

#5 Jan 12, 2013
A person that drinks and drives values neither their life nor yours.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#6 Jan 12, 2013
What Now wrote:
A person that drinks and drives values neither their life nor yours.
That is true and a sin as well. but I want to clarify that it is not drinking...but overdrinking....

that is why they have a scale of what is too much alcohol in your system to be driving.

never indulge excessively and then drive. i prefer even if I have just one drink not to drive. It is a choice that you make.
miscarriages

Chicago, IL

#7 Jan 14, 2013
I wish the people having the abortions would think about the people that would give anything to have a child but can't....I lost a 5 yr old daughter and had a stillborn baby and also had 4 miscarriages:( I would give anything to have a child to love and take care of and spoil like no other
Katie

Puyallup, WA

#8 Jan 14, 2013
miscarriages wrote:
I wish the people having the abortions would think about the people that would give anything to have a child but can't....I lost a 5 yr old daughter and had a stillborn baby and also had 4 miscarriages:( I would give anything to have a child to love and take care of and spoil like no other
Have you adopted?
Are you a foster mom?
A Big Sister?
A volunteer mentor helping kids learn to read and do math?

There is so much you could do by focusing your energies on the needy kids near you. You wouldn't have time to worry about how other women determine their own pregnancies.
oh brother

United States

#9 Jan 14, 2013
i have heard that ol song and dance so many times...

head on over to www.imnotsorry.net

it is not the place for women who can get pregnant and who do not want to go thru 9 months of hells and then the hell of giving birth to have to do that just so YOU can have a brat, if you don't have any more kids, then obviously you need to listen to god and believe it is not meant for you to have kids.

boo hoo somewhere else.

all pro life people will LOVE www.imnotsorry.net

it tells the TRUE TRUTH of abortion in ways never seen before. it is great!!
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#10 Jan 14, 2013
THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT

You shall not kill.54

You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.55

2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...

The Finland researchers found that compared to women who carried to term, women who aborted in the year prior to their deaths were 60 percent more likely to die of natural causes, seven times more likely to die of suicide, four times more likely to die of injuries related to accidents, and 14 times more likely to die from homicide.

The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion-related deaths are not officially reported as such.

http://afterabortion.org/1999/abortion-risks-...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#11 Jan 14, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
You shall not kill.54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.55
2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...
The Finland researchers found that compared to women who carried to term, women who aborted in the year prior to their deaths were 60 percent more likely to die of natural causes, seven times more likely to die of suicide, four times more likely to die of injuries related to accidents, and 14 times more likely to die from homicide.
The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion-related deaths are not officially reported as such.
http://afterabortion.org/1999/abortion-risks-...
"Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion-related deaths are not officially reported as such."

In the absence of official reports of abortion leading to maternal death, how did it achieve a #5 ranking and by whom?
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#12 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion-related deaths are not officially reported as such."
In the absence of official reports of abortion leading to maternal death, how did it achieve a #5 ranking and by whom?
go into the supplied link, and there are links to other information within that article.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#13 Jan 14, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
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go into the supplied link, and there are links to other information within that article.
That's an activist group.

Would you hew to information I'd supply you from Planned Parenthood at face value?
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#14 Jan 14, 2013
The Cover-Up: Why U.S. Abortion Mortality Statistics Are Meaningless
Posted on June 3, 2000 by EI
By David C. Reardon, Ph.D.

On March 1, 1989, Erica Richardson, a 16-year-old Maryland resident, bled to death from a punctured uterus only hours after undergoing an abortion. During the next five months, two adult women, Gladys Estanislao and Debra Gray, also died from abortion complications. They too were residents of Maryland.

Shockingly, none of these three women was even granted that smallest of recognitions–becoming a statistic. The official statistics issued by Maryland public health officials showed that there were no deaths from abortion in 1989. Indeed, Maryland only reported a single abortion-related death for the entire decade of 1980 to 1989.(1)

There was actually a fourth maternal death related to a 1989 abortion in Maryland. In this case, Susanne Logan fell into a coma during her abortion and awoke four months later as a quadriplegic, unable to talk. She survived for three years, dying in 1992. Since Susanne’s death was not an immediate result of her abortion, it has not been counted in any of the official abortion mortality statistics.(2)

These are four deaths that occurred in one small state that reported no abortion deaths for 1989. For that same year, the Abortion Surveillance Unit of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported only 12 deaths for the entire country. But, as we will see, the CDC doesn’t look very hard.

http://afterabortion.org/2000/the-cover-up-wh...

Go to the above link there is more....and don't miss the additional links at the bottom of the page.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#15 Jan 14, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
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go into the supplied link, and there are links to other information within that article.
Just to let you know, I'm an opponent of abortion.

My point is that getting into the stats game is a fool's errand.

If it's wrong, it's wrong - even if no mother suffers ill-effects physically.
ginger

Scottsdale, AZ

#16 Jan 14, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you adopted?
Are you a foster mom?
A Big Sister?
A volunteer mentor helping kids learn to read and do math?
There is so much you could do by focusing your energies on the needy kids near you. You wouldn't have time to worry about how other women determine their own pregnancies.
Well said. Sometimes people just have to accept they are unfit to reproduce, and need to care for children already here instead of trying to force other women to give birth unwillingly.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#17 Jan 14, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
The Cover-Up: Why U.S. Abortion Mortality Statistics Are Meaningless
Posted on June 3, 2000 by EI
By David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
On March 1, 1989, Erica Richardson, a 16-year-old Maryland resident, bled to death from a punctured uterus only hours after undergoing an abortion. During the next five months, two adult women, Gladys Estanislao and Debra Gray, also died from abortion complications. They too were residents of Maryland.
Shockingly, none of these three women was even granted that smallest of recognitions–becoming a statistic. The official statistics issued by Maryland public health officials showed that there were no deaths from abortion in 1989. Indeed, Maryland only reported a single abortion-related death for the entire decade of 1980 to 1989.(1)
There was actually a fourth maternal death related to a 1989 abortion in Maryland. In this case, Susanne Logan fell into a coma during her abortion and awoke four months later as a quadriplegic, unable to talk. She survived for three years, dying in 1992. Since Susanne’s death was not an immediate result of her abortion, it has not been counted in any of the official abortion mortality statistics.(2)
These are four deaths that occurred in one small state that reported no abortion deaths for 1989. For that same year, the Abortion Surveillance Unit of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported only 12 deaths for the entire country. But, as we will see, the CDC doesn’t look very hard.
http://afterabortion.org/2000/the-cover-up-wh...
Go to the above link there is more....and don't miss the additional links at the bottom of the page.
So, your response shouldn't be to throw stats around from activist groups, or to show me articles where one activist group tells me that another activist group's stats are bunk.

Activist groups have agendas and they use stats to buttress their arguments.

All your opponent has to say to rebut you is "that stuff's from an anti-abortion activist group-of course they'd say that".

You'd do same with PP or a similar group's info.

It's not wrong or insufficient to say that you believe abortion is a moral evil (if you believe that) and discuss the issue in that vein.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#18 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
So, your response shouldn't be to throw stats around from activist groups, or to show me articles where one activist group tells me that another activist group's stats are bunk.
Activist groups have agendas and they use stats to buttress their arguments.
All your opponent has to say to rebut you is "that stuff's from an anti-abortion activist group-of course they'd say that".
You'd do same with PP or a similar group's info.
It's not wrong or insufficient to say that you believe abortion is a moral evil (if you believe that) and discuss the issue in that vein.
Repeat:

THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT

You shall not kill.54

You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.55

2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive ...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#19 Jan 14, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>
Repeat:
THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
You shall not kill.54
You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.55
2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive ...
Well, that's better.

At least it's not a tortured path down a stat sheet you tell me isn't "official".
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#20 Jan 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, that's better.
At least it's not a tortured path down a stat sheet you tell me isn't "official".
you apparently did not read my first post...nor subsequent posts that showed in support of how statistics are reported for abortions..why the rate of medical complications from abortion are likely much higher than what is "officially" reported.

you ought to be on the airport board....they don't like to provide stats either.

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