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Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#2 Feb 23, 2013
What you see in this forum are the chickenhawks who never served, and who talk a big game about military operations in the same manner of framework as does Dick Cheney. Yet, the closest they ever get to being patriots is standing on the curb during as the annual Fourth of July parade passes by.
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#3 Feb 23, 2013
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What you see in this forum are the chickenhawks who never served, and who talk a big game about military operations in the same manner of framework as does Dick Cheney. Yet, the closest they ever get to being patriots is standing on the curb as the annual Fourth of July parade passes by.
just wow

Greensburg, IN

#4 Feb 23, 2013
I support our troops :)
May

Batesville, IN

#5 Feb 23, 2013
I know I will get blasted for this but I am just stating my opinion.

I really haven't had much respect for those entering the military in the past couple of decades. Before that, yes, it was noble and those men and women were true heroes. Around the time of the Dessert Storm years there seemed to be a big shift in the quality of young person the military was recruiting. I work in a high school. The students that join the military are the ones who absolutely have no other options and it scares me that these kids supposedly are there to "protect" me! What a scary thought. The military has become a dumping ground for many who can do absolutely nothing else.

I know there are exceptions and I know there are also good people that go the military route. However, most of those go the ROTC route in college and join the military as officers. Those 18 year olds joining? Scary and embarrassing to know they are representing our country.
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#6 Feb 23, 2013
You're describing a stereotype. I've seen those same people that you describe. Maybe they were outcasts in the high school setting. In the military setting, they're hard-charging.

The military isn't the place for any who are free-thinking, will debate the meaning of all things, and play with words. A "militarily cohesive unit" entails discipline from the top of ranks to the bottom of ranks. Military efficiency entails that one knows his/her place. He/she must be able to take and relay the orders that represent the intent of a superior. To progress in the ranks, one is judged to be of character to assume responsibility at the next level and throughout one's military career, there are gate-keeping barriers to weed out misfits.

To enter such an organization, one must be physically, mentally, and morally sound. The military isn't the place for society to deposit its social problems. It is no longer the option of choice for a judge to send one, instead of prison.
May

Batesville, IN

#7 Feb 23, 2013
Nobody Important wrote:
You're describing a stereotype. I've seen those same people that you describe. Maybe they were outcasts in the high school setting. In the military setting, they're hard-charging.
It is no longer the option of choice for a judge to send one, instead of prison.
No, I am not describing a stereotype. The stereotype is that young people going into the military are strong, loyal, law-abiding citizens who follow rules without questioning.

I was trying to be kind. The students choosing the military that I personally know are the ones with special needs, barely able to read, barely able to complete high school (and some didn't). They have no other options in life. Some of them may be capable of being turned into "hard-charging", but I sincerely doubt it. How they even pass the basic requirements is beyond me - I would say the military has had to lower those requirements drastically in the last few years or they would have no one entering.
I WANT TO KNOW

Loves Park, IL

#8 Feb 23, 2013
May wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am not describing a stereotype. The stereotype is that young people going into the military are strong, loyal, law-abiding citizens who follow rules without questioning.
I was trying to be kind. The students choosing the military that I personally know are the ones with special needs, barely able to read, barely able to complete high school (and some didn't). They have no other options in life. Some of them may be capable of being turned into "hard-charging", but I sincerely doubt it. How they even pass the basic requirements is beyond me - I would say the military has had to lower those requirements drastically in the last few years or they would have no one entering.
And did you say you was a teacher,I hope you never taught my child at least they are there fighting for us you are a pig you low life bitch.I want to thank them for what they have done.You said they can't hardly read or write so in other word you left these kids behind good teacher.
xhawk

Rushville, IN

#9 Feb 23, 2013
Alot of the vets are crazy gun owners
angela Hamer

Fort Wayne, IN

#10 Feb 23, 2013
May wrote:
I know I will get blasted for this but I am just stating my opinion.
I really haven't had much respect for those entering the military in the past couple of decades. Before that, yes, it was noble and those men and women were true heroes. Around the time of the Dessert Storm years there seemed to be a big shift in the quality of young person the military was recruiting. I work in a high school. The students that join the military are the ones who absolutely have no other options and it scares me that these kids supposedly are there to "protect" me! What a scary thought. The military has become a dumping ground for many who can do absolutely nothing else.
I know there are exceptions and I know there are also good people that go the military route. However, most of those go the ROTC route in college and join the military as officers. Those 18 year olds joining? Scary and embarrassing to know they are representing our country.
I am very displeased by your post reason being I come from a long line of military men in my family. My grandfather's father, my grandfather, my hero my dad, my cousins All Caffee's pure and strong men. Then I have my other special Hero MY SON Ricky Ruble. He has been in the Army since he was 18 he will be 25 this year, he has served 2 deployments to Afganistan. He is one hell of a young man. Married with 3 children, owns his own home and would do anything to support his family. If you only knew what my son has been through and experienced while serving you would rethink your post. Believe me they may go in as young 18 year old boys but they do can out men especially the ones like my son who is dedicated to his line of work. I am a mother that worries sick evrytime my son is gone especially when they have what they call blackouts- thats where no one can get on computers or call home because a soldier has died. I sit here scared to death praying that my son is okay and it isnt him but then when i find out he is fine I break down and cry for the other family who lost their loved one. What our young men and women do is honorable and do not need to judged or put into a catergory that they only enlisted because they areunable to do anything else. And if a young person does enlist because they feel thats all they have to do then support them too because they are scared individuals risking their lives for you. Again I am a proud mom of a soldier and support all our troops, please rethink how you feel about our younger generation because it is you they are fighting for.
marijuana is not a drug

Fort Wayne, IN

#11 Feb 23, 2013
I believe in peace
angela Hamer

Fort Wayne, IN

#12 Feb 23, 2013
May wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am not describing a stereotype. The stereotype is that young people going into the military are strong, loyal, law-abiding citizens who follow rules without questioning.
I was trying to be kind. The students choosing the military that I personally know are the ones with special needs, barely able to read, barely able to complete high school (and some didn't). They have no other options in life. Some of them may be capable of being turned into "hard-charging", but I sincerely doubt it. How they even pass the basic requirements is beyond me - I would say the military has had to lower those requirements drastically in the last few years or they would have no one entering.
You are wrong on a few things- The military does not allow anyone without their high school education in, or do they allow special needs people, as for not knowing how to read lol do you not know all the testing they give to someone before they allow them to enlist? They are tested for which jobs they qualify best for and give them options according to their test scores, and basic training is no joke either. These young men and women go barely on no sleep do drills, run their asses off if they can't make it through basic then they are out. simple as that, where you got your information on the quailifications on how to get in the service is way off.I am Proud to a mom of a fine military soldier he has worked hard to be where he is and the sacrifices he has had to make well lets just say being away from your wife your children your parents and your grandparents while being overseas can be overwelming plus watching your fellow soldiers loose their lives. all I can say is you have to be one strong individual to make these sacrifices and your post just really made my heart hurt that you dont realize all our young men and women give up or miss out on while serving and protecting our country.
angela Hamer

Fort Wayne, IN

#13 Feb 23, 2013
marijuana is not a drug wrote:
I believe in peace
I do too but someone has to do the job of defending our country because obama sure isnt doing it!
angela Hamer

Fort Wayne, IN

#14 Feb 23, 2013
xhawk wrote:
Alot of the vets are crazy gun owners
so be it but they are not the ones killing people here. Alot of our Vets are homeless and hungry and disabled and our country has failed them.
angela Hamer

Fort Wayne, IN

#15 Feb 23, 2013
Nobody Important wrote:
You're describing a stereotype. I've seen those same people that you describe. Maybe they were outcasts in the high school setting. In the military setting, they're hard-charging.
The military isn't the place for any who are free-thinking, will debate the meaning of all things, and play with words. A "militarily cohesive unit" entails discipline from the top of ranks to the bottom of ranks. Military efficiency entails that one knows his/her place. He/she must be able to take and relay the orders that represent the intent of a superior. To progress in the ranks, one is judged to be of character to assume responsibility at the next level and throughout one's military career, there are gate-keeping barriers to weed out misfits.
To enter such an organization, one must be physically, mentally, and morally sound. The military isn't the place for society to deposit its social problems. It is no longer the option of choice for a judge to send one, instead of prison.
agree
army mother

United States

#16 Feb 23, 2013
Very well said Angela hamer my son left for basic training in September and is almost done with ait and I am very proud of him and all that fight for us. He is by no means a special needs man and could have went to college anywhere but chose this as a career. I know the testing he had to go through to get in and he also had to have a copy of his high school diploma.
xhawk

Rushville, IN

#17 Feb 23, 2013
Crazy vets
angela

Fort Wayne, IN

#18 Feb 23, 2013
army mother wrote:
Very well said Angela hamer my son left for basic training in September and is almost done with ait and I am very proud of him and all that fight for us. He is by no means a special needs man and could have went to college anywhere but chose this as a career. I know the testing he had to go through to get in and he also had to have a copy of his high school diploma.
Thank you and God Bless your son, my prayers will be with you and your family as your son begins his journey.
army mother

United States

#19 Feb 23, 2013
angela wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you and God Bless your son, my prayers will be with you and your family as your son begins his journey.
Thank you and also thank you to your family past and present that have served and continue to serve.
angela

Fort Wayne, IN

#20 Feb 23, 2013
army mother wrote:
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Thank you and also thank you to your family past and present that have served and continue to serve.
:)
Larry stokes

Chicago, IL

#21 Feb 23, 2013
I can't stand it when people sign up for the military, then get shipped somewhere, get shot or blown up or whatever happens to them, and then come bacl and axt like everyone should be so sympathetic. I'm not sayin im glad they got hirt, but they signed up to go. Even if they just sign up for reserves theres still a good chance they could go and get hurt, and they knew that signing up for it. It's not like Vietnam where they got drafted at least alot of them did. I have no sympathy for these people. Sorry you got hirt but you knew what you were getting into.

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