WATER and Economic Development
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#21 Apr 2, 2013
wondering wrote:
so where would the reservoir be located?
On the Decatur / Rush county line area. Downeyville the town gives a perspective.

This was engineered and legislation was even passed for it to happen and then the Viet Nam War happened and the funding for the project dried up and the idea was dropped.

Acreage wise it was to be slightly larger than lake Monroe.

The City of Indianapolis was looking at one point at bringing water to Indy from the Monroe resevoir.

It might be pursued by talking to the Indy Mayor / Indiana Governor about the benefits not only for our community , but them , and for Honda. Approached in this manner would give it a better chance for funding.

Here is a copy of the legislation mentioned:

IC 14-26-1-12
Cooperation with federal government authorized
Sec. 12.(a) The department shall cooperate with the United States and the appropriate agencies of the United States in the planning, construction, operation, and maintenance of:
(1) the Downeyville multiple purpose reservoir, which has been authorized for construction by the Congress of the United States; and
(2) the Richland Creek reservoir in Greene County if the construction of the Richland Creek reservoir is authorized by Congress.
(b) The department may, on behalf of the state and subject to the approval of the governor, enter into agreements with the United States or agencies of the United States necessary to do the following:
(1) Fully effectuate the authorized purposes and functions of the reservoirs.
(2) Pay a share of the costs of the reservoirs for the purposes of water supply and recreation.
(c) The state's share of the costs:
(1) must be computed on the basis of the laws of the United States pertaining to multiple purpose reservoir projects; and
(2) must be requested by the department in the regular biennial budget requests.
As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.19.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title14...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#22 Apr 2, 2013
I also have a map showing the exact location of the lake . In verbal descript it says the following:

The stie of the Downeyville Resevoir is in Rush and Decatur Counties, Indiana on the Flatrock River. The Dam site under consideration is located approximately 1 1/2 miles downstream from the Rush-Decatur County line.

If anyone wishes to pursue this I am more than willing to share information and work towards that goal.

The flyer also says the following:

The project plan considered would serve the purpose of flood control, water conservation, general recreation and fish and wildlife recreation.

The project plan also provides for a substantial amount of conservation storage for water supply and stream and flow augmentation, in the interest of water quality control.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#23 Apr 2, 2013
In the following links are two Humble Rumble articles that I wrote back in 2009 before last summer's drought.

During last summers drought...the Mayor stated on the radio that we were down to a 2 month water supply.

During the drought HONDA was using 25% of their projected water needs.

At the same time (during the drought) an engineer working for Rural Water stated on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News that we did not have enough water for further development and that 30 some wells out in the county had dried up.

Our Cancer rates for Decatur County are higher than the national average and remaining stable at a higher than the national average rate.

The aquifer that the majority of county wells draw from AND ALL of the City of Greensburg wells draw from runs under an arm of our landfill.

The American Medical association advocates that no landfill should be anywhere close to an aquifer.

March 24, 2009
And Yet More On Water

http://greensburgdailynews.com/opinion/x21245...

March 18, 2009
More On Greensburg Water

http://greensburgdailynews.com/opinion/x21245...
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#24 Apr 2, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
The aquifer that the majority of county wells draw from AND ALL of the City of Greensburg wells draw from runs under an arm of our landfill. The American Medical association advocates that no landfill should be anywhere close to an aquifer.
Gee, Mr. Mayor. What are you going to do about it?

Perhaps the real question is, "What would Rick do (WWRD)?"
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#25 Apr 2, 2013
wondering wrote:
QUOTE:
"so where would the reservoir be located? END OF QUOTE BY WONDERING

On the Decatur / Rush county line area. Downeyville the town gives a perspective.

This was engineered and legislation was even passed for it to happen and then the Viet Nam War happened and the funding for the project dried up and the idea was dropped.

Acreage wise it was to be slightly larger than lake Monroe.

The City of Indianapolis was looking at one point at bringing water to Indy from the Monroe resevoir.

It might be pursued by talking to the Indy Mayor / Indiana Governor about the benefits not only for our community , but them , and for Honda. Approached in this manner would give it a better chance for funding.

Here is a copy of the legislation mentioned:

IC 14-26-1-12

Cooperation with federal government authorized
Sec. 12.(a) The department shall cooperate with the United States and the appropriate agencies of the United States in the planning, construction, operation, and maintenance of:

(1) the Downeyville multiple purpose reservoir, which has been authorized for construction by the Congress of the United States; and

(2) the Richland Creek reservoir in Greene County if the construction of the Richland Creek reservoir is authorized by Congress.

(b) The department may, on behalf of the state and subject to the approval of the governor, enter into agreements with the United States or agencies of the United States necessary to do the following:

(1) Fully effectuate the authorized purposes and functions of the reservoirs.

(2) Pay a share of the costs of the reservoirs for the purposes of water supply and recreation.

(c) The state's share of the costs:

(1) must be computed on the basis of the laws of the United States pertaining to multiple purpose reservoir projects; and

(2) must be requested by the department in the regular biennial budget requests.
As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.19.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title14 ...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#26 Apr 2, 2013
Since this thread I started once before totally disappeared , I am posting it again. How long will it last this time?

Interesting article on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News today.(8-31-12).

"They" are stating that this airport expansion is being proposed to bring economic development.
and yet , if you read this article, if we have more factories come...we may not have the water?
They are advocating another water source. I wholeheartedly agree and have been advocating for this for some time.

It is a basic NEED of Economic Development..so why build a 32 million dollar airport expansion to bring jobs when we cant provide the water needed?

Cart before the horse yet again.

QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE: "Questions from the DCRC board led to discussion of water supply strain if there is further economic development.

Wetzal confirmed that a dwindling number of factories in Decatur County have significantly relieved water demand.

He said 37 people have reported their wells running dry because of the drought, and he suspects factory development will create more water shortages.

Wetzal said the Rural Water Corp. is searching for another source in eastern Bartholomew County out of concern for the steadily increasing population, plans to finish expansion, and potential factory development.

Currently, water is taken from the Flat Rock River, the Greensburg reservoir and six wells."

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1636931 ...
ismellarat

Liberty, IN

#27 Apr 2, 2013
Don't beleive every thing you see posted from Malicious Jean. Remember this post?
In Today's Greensburg Daily News of 2/15/13 there is a front page article titled:

"Mayor encourages GCS to create ties with China"

In this article is the following statement:

QUOTE: "Main Street Greensburg donated $100.00 to the Greensburg Junior High School Band".

My question: Why did Main Street Greensburg request $30,000.00 from the City of Greensburg as a Not for Profit (and they also receive funding from the county) and then turn around and "donate" money to the Junior High School Band?

I am not questioning"

Integrity is not her strong suit.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#28 Apr 2, 2013
ismellarat wrote:
Don't beleive every thing you see posted from Malicious Jean. Remember this post?
In Today's Greensburg Daily News of 2/15/13 there is a front page article titled:
"Mayor encourages GCS to create ties with China"
In this article is the following statement:
QUOTE: "Main Street Greensburg donated $100.00 to the Greensburg Junior High School Band".
My question: Why did Main Street Greensburg request $30,000.00 from the City of Greensburg as a Not for Profit (and they also receive funding from the county) and then turn around and "donate" money to the Junior High School Band?
I am not questioning"
Integrity is not her strong suit.
I guess if you have nothing factual to say you make personal attacks. as you just did.

Your personal attack is off topic on a serious issue for our community.

Our water situation is something I am truly concerned about and have been since my youth. My father served 25 years plus on the state soil and water board and I grew up with an awareness of that need.

When I ran for Mayor in the primary against Frank Manus, water and my concern for that issue was a major part of my platform.

ismellarat

Liberty, IN

#29 Apr 2, 2013
Your motive was exposed in the "question" thread that you started. When the answer was emailed to you, you kept quite, in order for your malicious attack to continue.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#30 Apr 2, 2013
ismellarat wrote:
Your motive was exposed in the "question" thread that you started. When the answer was emailed to you, you kept quite, in order for your malicious attack to continue.
No when I keep quiet it is because I choose not to be a part of something I don't approve of.

I do not believe personal attacks are of benefit to anyone.

not constructive.

I also do not believe that it is my job to be a referee on this site. The only person I can control is myself.

This question was asked in hopes that people would start to think about what the priorities ought to be for our tax money and for the purpose that they were requested for.

the downtown had no money, only a debt for years. It was all volunteer help, not paid help and to see money given away (especially tax money) when money for the downtown improvements was not only non - existent in the past is hard to see. I know first hand how hard many people worked all volunteering their time to pay that debt off.

While i stated and still believe that the band did a great job....I am for people volunteering, and setting that example so our youth learn to do the same .

Volunteering builds character.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#31 Apr 2, 2013
Now let's get back to the topic of this thread.

Interesting article on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News today.(8-31-12).

"They" are stating that this airport expansion is being proposed to bring economic development.
and yet , if you read this article, if we have more factories come...we may not have the water?
They are advocating another water source. I wholeheartedly agree and have been advocating for this for some time.

It is a basic NEED of Economic Development..so why build a 32 million dollar airport expansion to bring jobs when we cant provide the water needed?

Cart before the horse yet again.

QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE: "Questions from the DCRC board led to discussion of water supply strain if there is further economic development.

Wetzal confirmed that a dwindling number of factories in Decatur County have significantly relieved water demand.

He said 37 people have reported their wells running dry because of the drought, and he suspects factory development will create more water shortages.

Wetzal said the Rural Water Corp. is searching for another source in eastern Bartholomew County out of concern for the steadily increasing population, plans to finish expansion, and potential factory development.

Currently, water is taken from the Flat Rock River, the Greensburg reservoir and six wells."

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1636931 ...
old news

Sunman, IN

#32 Apr 3, 2013
if volunteering builds character why don't u volunteer to buy land and donate it for an airport or the reservoir.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#33 Apr 3, 2013
old news wrote:
if volunteering builds character why don't u volunteer to buy land and donate it for an airport or the reservoir.
I wouldn't dream of taking your idea from you...I am waiting for you to step up and do so.

In this economy ANY project should have a return on investment BEFORE pursued to determine NEED and that it will sustain itself. There have been at least two water studies done over the years that I am aware of that prove the need for more water in our area.

And as for the water the drought and only having a 2 month supply left last summer....with HONDA only operating at 25% of their projected needs is another very strong indicator.

No...we didn't run out of water...(although 30 some odd wells in the county did) but do we really want to wait until we have no water coming out of the tap?

As for the airport...this project should be stopped until the NEED is PROVEN by a RETURN ON INVESTMENT ANALYSIS as is described by the Transporation Research Board. This would not only indicate whether there is a true NEED but it will also detrmine the Scope and SIZE of the project.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#34 Apr 3, 2013
This is an engineer speaking in the quote below:

Interesting article on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News today.(8-31-12).

"They" are stating that this airport expansion is being proposed to bring economic development.

and yet , if you read this article, if we have more factories come...we may not have the water?

They are advocating another water source. I wholeheartedly agree and have been advocating for this for some time.

It is a basic NEED of Economic Development..so why build a 32 million dollar airport expansion to bring jobs when we cant provide the water needed?

Cart before the horse yet again.

QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE: "Questions from the DCRC board led to discussion of water supply strain if there is further economic development.

Wetzal confirmed that a dwindling number of factories in Decatur County have significantly relieved water demand.

He said 37 people have reported their wells running dry because of the drought, and he suspects factory development will create more water shortages.

Wetzal said the Rural Water Corp. is searching for another source in eastern Bartholomew County out of concern for the steadily increasing population, plans to finish expansion, and potential factory development.

Currently, water is taken from the Flat Rock River, the Greensburg reservoir and six wells."

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1636931 ...
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#35 Apr 3, 2013
old news wrote:
If volunteering builds character, why don't you volunteer to buy land and donate it for an airport or the reservoir?
Why don't the two men with land north of the interstate donate theirs for those endeavors? Is the above quote to indicate their lack of character?
old news

Greensburg, IN

#36 Apr 3, 2013
Nobody Important wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't the two men with land north of the interstate donate theirs for those endeavors? Is the above quote to indicate their lack of character?
have you asked them?
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#37 Apr 3, 2013
YOU brought up the character issue, Rick. I'm asking YOU.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#38 Apr 3, 2013
This is an engineer speaking in the quote below:

Interesting article on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News today.(8-31-12).

"They" are stating that this airport expansion is being proposed to bring economic development.

and yet , if you read this article, if we have more factories come...we may not have the water?

They are advocating another water source. I wholeheartedly agree and have been advocating for this for some time.

It is a basic NEED of Economic Development..so why build a 32 million dollar airport expansion to bring jobs when we cant provide the water needed?

Cart before the horse yet again.

QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE: "Questions from the DCRC board led to discussion of water supply strain if there is further economic development.

Wetzal confirmed that a dwindling number of factories in Decatur County have significantly relieved water demand.

He said 37 people have reported their wells running dry because of the drought, and he suspects factory development will create more water shortages.

Wetzal said the Rural Water Corp. is searching for another source in eastern Bartholomew County out of concern for the steadily increasing population, plans to finish expansion, and potential factory development.

Currently, water is taken from the Flat Rock River, the Greensburg reservoir and six wells."

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1636931 ...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#39 Apr 3, 2013
wondering wrote:
so where would the reservoir be located?
that question has been answered previously. look back.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#40 Apr 3, 2013
In the following links are two Humble Rumble articles that I wrote back in 2009 before last summer's drought.

During last summers drought...the Mayor stated on the radio that we were down to a 2 month water supply.

During the drought HONDA was using 25% of their projected water needs.

At the same time (during the drought) an engineer working for Rural Water stated on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News that we did not have enough water for further development and that 30 some wells out in the county had dried up.

Our Cancer rates for Decatur County are higher than the national average and remaining stable at a higher than the national average rate.

The aquifer that the majority of county wells draw from AND ALL of the City of Greensburg wells draw from runs under an arm of our landfill.

The American Medical association advocates that no landfill should be anywhere close to an aquifer.

March 24, 2009
And Yet More On Water

http://greensburgdailynews.com/opinion/x21245 ...

March 18, 2009
More On Greensburg Water

http://greensburgdailynews.com/opinion/x21245 ...

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